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NuttBoxer says

Yep, there was an early attempt to shift blame to Trump(again). Despite the fact that his regulation easing was completely unrelated to what caused this derailment.

It wasn't regulations that caused the disaster in Palestine Ohio.

It was Norfolk Southern that caused the disaster in Palestine Ohio.

A company can cut corners if they want, everything has a cost / benefit analysis to it, even a human life. A car could be made that would 100% guarantee the safety of the passengers in any head on crash up to 100 miles and hour, but it would cost 10 million dollars and get 1 mile to the gallon.

Norfolk Southern thought they could save money, that's fine but it resulted in this disaster, and THEY are financially responsible. Now if the government gives them a pass, THAT'S where the corruption lies.

You don't need regulations when you have liability. There is liability here, it's just a question of whether the government will enforce it or not.

Booger says

I think all this represents are all the black women at Norfolk Southern. Looking at their job descriptions, I don't think any of them shoulders the blame. The highest ranking of them is Ayesha Gross, Chief of Staff to the CEO. I think this is unfair.

richwicks says

Booger says

I think all this represents are all the black women at Norfolk Southern. Looking at their job descriptions, I don't think any of them shoulders the blame. The highest ranking of them is Ayesha Gross, Chief of Staff to the CEO. I think this is unfair.

Time will tell because Biden just signed some kind of EO that requires every government agency to create an equity office/division (or whatever). South Africa did the same thing years ago and they are having massive infrastructure problems (as I understand it).

Note no large companies are offering any help or concern. Not Walmart, Cabella's, etc.

That's because Trump Voters are the Enemy, and "Real Americans" are anybody BUT White, Working Class People.

Just counting aquatic animals and fish, Ohio officials estimate death toll over 43,000.
https://people.com/pets/ohio-train-derailment-leaves-over-43000-aquatic-animals-dead/

Is anyone doing a toxicology report on the fish to see what was in their system?

GreaterNYCDude says

Is anyone doing a toxicology report on the fish to see what was in their system?

That is what I was thinking about comprehensive testing including medical forensics when they were reporting also about chickens dying.

They also need to be monitoring groundwater for at least the next 5 years.

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NuttBoxer says

Just counting aquatic animals and fish, Ohio officials estimate death toll over 43,000.
https://people.com/pets/ohio-train-derailment-leaves-over-43000-aquatic-animals-dead/

Pfft, I think that's a major underestimation. It's a number that's high enough that people will take notice, but not so high that it would be alarming. I'm sure the real number is alarming.

But who knows, however, I am familiar with how the government downplays anything that can be associated with one of their gross errors.

There are multiple pathways for the contamination to diffuse into the environment. Looking at the broad pathways, Air Soil and Water.

Anything in the air (including what they burned) will dissipate quickest but it depends on windspeed, direction, altitude, etc. There are tools to do air dispersion modeling, in fact they are often used by air permitng boards when reviewing permit applications for industrial facilities.

Anything that seeps into the soils SHOULD be fairly contained. Although there was the potential for large volume of liquids to be dispersed (Given the amount of volume a railcar can hold, generally 35,000 Gallo s or less) The radius if impact should be small and it will take time for the contaminants to diffuse into the soil. Spill berms, etc. If properly deployed, can help minimize the impact. There will still be local contamination that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later, but it's not like this is an old industrial facility where for decades chemicals were split with little regard for the impact. Depending on the soil properties it will take time for the contamination to migrate down to the water table. Local wells will need to be monitored routinely, but if they get after this quick enough the damage can be mimizes. As with most things, speed helps.

That brings us to the dead fish. My guess is it was surface contamination. A heavy rain would wash the chemicals downstream (espeicaly if the perimiter wasnt secured with spill berms, etc. quick enough) and into the local warerhshed. They will dilute as the flow downstream, but it dosen't take much to have an adverse impact, as we've seen.

I cant imagine that somone (the RR, the town, the EPA) didn't have an emergency action plan on file. The seeming lack of foresight combined with the haphazard response (Sorry, bad pun) is sad indeed.

In a 1st world country we should, and can, do better.

GreaterNYCDude says

Is anyone doing a toxicology report on the fish to see what was in their system?

Maybe that was the job of the EPA guys that died in the plane crash

https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/5-killed-in-little-rock-plane-crash/

Little Chernobyl on the Prairie

https://babylonbee.com/news/ohio-area-turtles-develop-sudden-interest-in-pizza-martial-arts

Video – Erin Brockovich Speech to Residents of East Palestine, Ohio

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/25/video-erin-brockovich-speech-to-residents-of-east-palestine-ohio/

"Don't trust the Government. Don't trust what they are telling you."

AmericanKulak says

Maybe that was the job of the EPA guys that died in the plane crash

So they weren't traveling to East Palistine, but they did work for the same company in charge of the testing for the train crash. I wonder where they were headed after Bedford...

https://babylonbee.com/news/larger-more-catastrophic-train-wreck-reported-at-1600-pennsylvania-ave-in-washington-dc

https://twitter.com/ninaturner/status/1629604884105273349?ref_src=patrick.net

RayAmerica says

Video – Erin Brockovich Speech to Residents of East Palestine, Ohio

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/25/video-erin-brockovich-speech-to-residents-of-east-palestine-ohio/

"Don't trust the Government. Don't trust what they are telling you."

yeah they fucked up in California with PG&E and she saw that firsthand as far as not accounting for soil contamination and seepage to groundwater

norfolk southern has to pay for testing of each private well over the next 5 to 10 years and also testing of the soil

this is like the deepwater horizon spill with the coast guard ensuring british petroleum funding to continue actively monitor the gulf of mexico

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https://babylonbee.com/news/aides-brief-buttigieg-on-ohio-disaster-using-wooden-toy-train-set

https://slaynews.com/news/east-palestine-residents-update-toxic-train-wreck-dying-slowly/

East Palestine Residents Give Grim Update after Toxic Train Wreck: ‘We’re Dying Slowly’

... Many of them are facing health issues from the chemical fire as well as the psychic toll of their town becoming, in the words of a scientist visiting the area Thursday, the new “Love Canal” — a reference to the Niagara Falls, NY, neighborhood that became a hotbed issue in 1978 because people were getting sick from living above a contaminated waste dump.

Many residents are also complaining of mystery rashes and sore throats after returning home following the lifting of evacuation orders on February 8.

“Yesterday was the first day in probably three or four days that I could smell anything,” said Shelby Walker, who lives a few yards from the epicenter of the crash and explosion.

“I lost my smell and my sense of taste.

“I had an eye infection in both eyes.

“I was having respiratory issues like I was just out of breath.

One of the Telegram conspiracy theorists stated that the group of toxicologists killed at IHLlary Airport weren't really going to analyze, they were a group sent not as analysts, but as cover up artists, they have done it before. That certainly seems plausible, but the question is, who did it?

They weren't headed to East Palistine. They were on their way to investigate a fire at a metal factory in Buford Ohio. But they did work for the same company charged with investigating the train wreck. Definitely seems like there's a conspiracy here, but one a little less complicated than actors.

"INTEL - 'Possible Proof of a 1st Strike Retaliation by White Hats' by Patrick Bouvier Kennedy @ Telegram"
https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=218158

So, the toxicology experts who died in the plane crash after leaving Clinton airport appear to be a Deep State cleanup crew.

They’ve helped cover-up many toxic spills and ecological disasters as far back as 2005.

If this is true, we may be witnessing the first publicly visible strike by “white hats” against the Deep State."

CIA: "Hey, boys, we need another fake cover up commission in Ohio. You know, like 9/11 and the Warren Report."

EPA Administrator Admits He Wouldn’t Allow His Own Kid Anywhere Near East Palestine Streams Over “Accident”

“Would you allow your kids anywhere close to these streams right now,” Sortor asked.

“I would not,” Regan, replied. “I’m a father of a nine-year-old. I think we have to all agree that we wish this accident didn’t occur. But the accident occurred and as a result, some of our creeks and our streams have pollution in them.”
https://thelibertydaily.com/epa-administrator-admits-he-wouldnt-allow-his-own-kid-anywhere-near-east-palestine-streams-over-accident/

Nothing at all to be concerned about ... and don't forget to drink the water, it's perfectly safe.

45,000 Animal Deaths in East Palestine, Says Ohio Dept. of Natural Resources:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/benbartee/2023/02/28/45000-animal-deaths-in-east-palestine-says-ohio-dept-of-natural-resources-n1674396

It just has to be another coincidence ...

First East Palestine, then Bedford, Ohio (just outside of Cleveland) and now this?

ANOTHER Disaster in Northeast Ohio as Several Explosion Hit Cleveland Warehouse — 50 Firefighters Respond
https://thelibertydaily.com/another-disaster-in-northeast-ohio-as-several-explosion-hit-cleveland-warehouse-50-firefighters-respond/

Maybe they'll feel better if they drink a big glass of East Palestine water ... which the EPA claims is 'perfectly safe to drink?'

Workers Cleaning Up Toxic Ohio Train Derailment Are Getting Sick, Rail Union Leader Warns

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rail-union-leader-warns-workers-cleaning-ohio-derailment-getting-sick

Isn't it comforting to know that we have a Government that tells us when the air is safe to breathe and the water safe to drink?

Scientific report shows that East Palestine air has “higher than normal” concentrations of NINE toxic chemicals

https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-03-02-east-palestine-air-high-concentrations-toxic-chemicals.html

https://notthebee.com/article/the-transportation-minister-in-greece-just-resigned-in-disgrace-after-a-major-train-wreck-what-a-novel-idea

The transportation minister of Greece just resigned in disgrace after a major train wreck ... what a novel idea

Rescuers delved Wednesday through flattened, burned-out carriages for survivors and bodies after a passenger train and a freight train crashed head-on in central Greece overnight, killing at least 36 people and injuring scores.

Transport Minister Kostas Karamanlis resigned Wednesday, saying he felt it was his "duty" to step down "as a basic indication of respect for the memory of the people who died so unfairly."

What a novel idea. Showing humility and resigning after a major disaster under your watch.

Almost like you have dignity and don't want to make excuses. ...

But in a country where no one got in trouble for the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal and everyone just wants to blame others for their problems, it's not a surprise that Mayor Pete takes no responsibility for the cascade of transportation disasters over the last two years that's continuing to this day.

Gas Tankers Keep Crashing and Blowing Up — Latest Hits Maryland Neighborhood With Multiple Homes Now Burning
https://thelibertydaily.com/gas-tankers-keep-crashing-and-blowing-up-latest-hits-maryland-neighborhood-with-multiple-homes-now-burning/