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Instead of all the bullshit back-and-forth on this thread, can we all just look at the title and agree, we don't want WWIII, and we won't support one. Fuck Ukraine, fuck Russia, fuck Europe, and fuck our government. No war!
The US is trying to prevent Russia from trading energy with Europe. They are trying to institute regime change within Russia.
Those threats.
Agreed - that is why I keep pointing out the quickest way to end the war and avert WWIII is for Putin to end his illegal invasion and bring his troops home.
There is no conceivable "win" for Russia that doesn't involve MANY more dead on all sides and further world instability.
Whereas a Ukrainian "win" (Russia leaving and going back to status quo ante) would end the violence and world instability overnight.
Agreed - that is why I keep pointing out the quickest way to end the war and avert WWIII is for Putin to end his illegal invasion and bring his troops home.
There is no conceivable "win" for Russia that doesn't involve MANY more dead on all sides and further world instability.
Whereas a Ukrainian "win" (Russia leaving and going back to status quo ante) would end the violence and world instability overnight.
Would be awesome if it were just that simple, but if that were true, war never would have started.
Russia has to face the fact that they failed in their mission in the first month of the war by failing to topple Kiev and the central government. Russia has no hope of achieving their original goals now. Through Russia's incompetence and barbarity, they have alienated (or killed?) the remaining ethnic pro-Russian population that Putin claimed he cared so much about necessitating this useless war that has gotten hundreds of thousands of people killed.
We've sent a never ending supply of MONEY and war material, but that's not enough. Not for Zelensky, that is. Now he's asking for American blood.
Zelensky Said What? “The U.S. Will Have to Send Their Sons and Daughters” and “They Will Be Dying”
https://redwave.press/zelensky-said-what-the-u-s-will-have-to-send-their-sons-and-daughters-and-they-will-be-dying/
PS: The day is coming when Ukraine uses one of its American supplied weapons against Russian civilians, which could conceivably lead to retaliatory attacks upon American targets. We are witnessing the process of incrementalism that leads to the start of major wars.
Russia has legitimate rights to their former Commie Slave colonies they occupied after WWII
Russia getting double-crossed by their Nazi allies, is in no way a legitimate excuse for Russia being the aggressor again in Ukraine 80 years later!
Onvacation says
Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union before WW2.
And a big chunk of Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire before that.
AND I give no shits about Ukraine or Russia. Let them kill each other. Let's manufacture weapons that create jobs stateside. As long as we're not losing enlisted men it's a win win outside of the money.
Russia is toast long term regardless.
WookieMan says
Russia is toast long term regardless.
That's neocon thinking. Can't we just get along?
Onvacation says
WookieMan says
Russia is toast long term regardless.
That's neocon thinking. Can't we just get along?
Amazing.
Shouldn't that be directed at Putin?
WookieMan says
Who gives a shit?
Exactly my point. social2 apparently does.
Shouldn't that be directed at Putin?
the goal was ultimately to create the conditions for regime change in Russia. By “overextending and unbalancing” Russia in the military, economic and diplomatic spheres the U.S. could realistically hope to replace the Russian state with one of its own choosing, as it had done with Ukraine.
This entire situation is PRECISELY what the United States wanted, right down to controlling Russia's ability to send energy to Europe.
Do you deny that the west started this war?
Some folks here only seem to care and support Russia's illegal invasion to punish Ukraine for being a money laundering playground of US Democrats.
The geniuses in the Biden (and former Obama) administration goaded Russia into launching a massive invasion and fighting a losing battle for over a year?
The war started a year ago when Russia foolishly invaded Ukraine with 200,000+ troops.
Oh, are you talking about the "Cold War"?
The war started a year ago when Russia foolishly invaded Ukraine with 200,000+ troops.
Oh, are you talking about the "Cold War"?
I care in that I don't want to see needless death and world instability because Russia is so fucking incompetent getting hundreds of thousands of people killed in their failed war.
Onvacation says
Do you deny that the west started this war?
The war started a year ago when Russia foolishly invaded Ukraine with 200,000+ troops.
Oh, are you talking about the "Cold War"?
How far back are we going to go to justify Russia's illegal invasion?
This can't be. I thought the defeat of the Russian forces was imminent and that the next conquest for the victorious Ukraine army was Crimea.
Bakhmut "Practically Surrounded" As Wagner Chief Urges Zelensky Surrender His Forces 'To Save Lives'
At this rate, it will take Russia 50+ more years and a million lives to get back to the ground they temporarily held in the first month of the war.
So what is driving all this now - other than one man's vanity?
By the way. I have noticed some of you who barely mentioned the train wreck except to downplay it, have been VERY vocal in support of Ukraine. What does that say about your priorities?
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"President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday suspended Russian participation in the last remaining nuclear arms control treaty with the United States, warning Washington that Russia had put new ground-based strategic nuclear weapons on combat duty," Reuters reports of the new declaration.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-suspends-new-start-nuclear-treaty-puts-new-missiles-combat-readiness