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So far only Nuttboxer seems to understand the point of this thread. Others are deflecting to Biden or the media.

Nomograph says

Why is there no call from the no-vaxx movement to prosecute Trump?

What/who is the "no vaxx" movement? Who is the "far right" in this context? You'll have to actually define these things, otherwise you're actually using psychological warfare tactics to illicit a charged response from people that are unconsciously filling in the blanks you leave intentionally open.

Nomograph says

So far only Nuttboxer seems to understand the point of this thread. Others are deflecting to Biden or the media.

Nutt's comment is the best. Trump failed and I liked him. Still do. People make mistakes, so I get other people's point of view. It's nuanced. Fauci should have been canned. Given my age it might be the biggest failure of my lifetime that I've witnessed. I'd still vote for him again.

Biden did keep it going so he can be blamed too, to some extent. We had the data. We know covid isn't lethal literally at all. Someone at some point should have been the adult in the room. No one stepped up, they stepped up and they blamed others. Covid was around September 2019. World governments knew it because they created it. People should be pissed at that. There was 4-6 months where it was spreading. China "builds" a hospital in 10 days and they're king shit of fuck mountain... Not. That was all fake.

I've had covid once and probably 15 tests, but been sick 3 times in a rough way since this happened. Who knows. My positive test in hindsight was an absolute joke of a sickness. I've been sick with the flu where I fainted and cracked my head on the floor and woke up in the ER. Covid was a head cold and aches and pains. Politicize it, and I don't want to get Patrick in trouble, but Fauci should fall asleep in a pool. That's who we should be blaming left, right, libertarian, etc...

If you want to call it the Trump vaccine and hold him accountable great! Calling it the Trump vaccine is only going to gain him votes!

But blaming him for adverse effects? Nah, he is only liable if these guys are liable.

Peter Daczak whose company created the virus and studied it in the Wuhan lab.

CEO of Pfizer whose company falsified data.

Dr, death who banned safe and effective anti parasite meds in favor of dangerous and ineffective injections and ventilators.

Nomograph says

Why is there no call from the no-vaxx movement to prosecute Trump?

The Vaccine was coming, Trump didn't do diddly, but kicked the chair leg out from under their fat asses.
Trump bungled their planned Dystopian forced roll out. He took it and made it an optional Drive though at the local fairgrounds. There was no walking back, the establishment couldn't do a rollout do over, forcing everyone to get the jabs. Especially as the reports of people dropping dead from it. Remember that Teacher that dropped dead, so they hid the corpse and said she was alive and well? Well half of the world population, don't believe that she's alive and well, without proof of life. You would have to kill them before you could get them jabbed. People like that are dangerous, because they have nothing to lose. Trump fucked their shit up, show some respect, you're lucky the Sticky Jabby Man, didn't come tie you down and skin fuck you with a rusty aids needle.

Patrick says

One point is that Trump never mandated the toxxine.

Think this is the biggest point. Media also went crazy with narrative after Biden was in.

Patrick says

Another is that pretty much zero people blindly support Trump. That's a lie to make the left feel better about ignoring the quite rational reasons that people did support Trump.

correct

Nomograph says

AmericanKulak says

Did YOU take the Trump Vaccine and mock those who didn't and insist they be ostracized and fired?

This is progress though, you're in the blame shifting part of the acceptance process.

Although many like you will claim in a few more years that they were NEVER in favor of vax mandates.

You seem angry; it's very typical for the conflict from cognitive dissonance to manifest as anger.

He doesn't sound angry to me. He's speaking the truth and because it goes against your new narrative, you decide your only option is to try to insult him. I notice you didn't answer his simple question. Did YOU take the Trump Vaccine and mock those who didn't and insist they be ostracized and fired?

WookieMan says

I've had covid once and probably 15 tests

That's 15 more than I have had

komputodo says

Did YOU take the Trump Vaccine and mock those who didn't and insist they be ostracized and fired?

It doesn't matter. People are going to be vaccine shamed now and they know it. Trump pushed the vaccine, likely via Fauci who said it couldn't be done but saw an opportunity to make money as a non-elected official. That's where Trump failed.

We never needed a vaccine from the word go. It was obviously a flu. There were OTC drugs and supplements to treat it.

I needed the tests for travel to get in and out of countries/territories komputodo. Didn't "want" to do it. We got some of the best travel deals from 2020 to the start of 2022. Kind of the hidden blessing of the "pandemic" for us. We also had nurse friends with shitloads of tests they'd just give us.

WookieMan says

I needed the tests for travel to get in and out of countries/territories komputodo. Didn't "want" to do it. We got some of the best travel deals from 2020 to the start of 2022. Kind of the hidden blessing of the "pandemic" for us.

Kinda like, "we'll give you a 40% discount on your flight if you let us jam a long stick up your nose?" That's totally worth it.

WookieMan says

It doesn't matter. People are going to be vaccine shamed now and they know it.

"SHAMED"...that's one of those new words that I assume means "embarrassed /criticized?" As far as I'm concerned, people who feel shame usually are those who try to hide the thing they feel ashamed of. Own it and nobody can shame you.

For those who took the shot, they recieved a long sheet of warnings, and a disclaimer that it was not FDA approved but had "emergency approval."

I'm not ashamed; my decision was based on the balance between having a low functioning immune system (over age 60) and the risks entailed by the shot itself.

I have also taken other shots over the years; flu shot for example.

In 2017 I felt shitty for a day; I must have had some sort of virus. Before 2017 I think I was sick for a day in 2012.
Before 2012 I can't recall feeling bad for one day for years.

clambo says

I'm not ashamed

I should hope not..By the age 60+, one should have reached the realization that what someone says about you is meaningless.

komputodo says

Kinda like, "we'll give you a 40% discount on your flight if you let us jam a long stick up your nose?" That's totally worth it.

Lol. I don't pay for airfare. Haven't in 5 years. More like getting a $2k/nt room for $200/nt on St. John, USVI at the Westin. Or the AI's in Mexico, Jamaica and Dominican for $100/nt with a family of 5.

Also I self tested every time. I once wiped it on my ass. That's why I've always known covid was a joke. If it was a serious virus they would have monitored and administered tests. I got great travel deals. Sounds like a brag and it is because we gave no shits about covid. Unless you're a cruiser type, people missed out on a lot once in a lifetime deals. Seriously not trying to be a dick, it will sound like it, but I'm jealous of me.

Soooooooo many missed opportunities of a lifetime. Went places that usually would be packed yet were empty. Had it to ourselves. Literally had Meagans Bay in St. Thomas with 30-40 people on it all day. Was fucking surreal. Mahoe Bay on St. John, maybe 10 people there. It was nuts. Again sounds like I'm bragging, I'm just stating the reality.

My point is if there's another fake pandemic, start booking travel after week two or four of the drama starting. The paranoid morons will cancel immediately and rates for everything will drop (probably not airfare, maybe). Life lesson at 40, book trips when you think everyone is gonna die, yet you don't care. Live life once.

Nomograph says

How many people have been killed from the Trump Vaccine? Will Trump be held accountable, or the far right continue to blindly support him? Why is there no call from the no-vaxx movement to prosecute Trump?

A few questions for Nomograph ...

Worldwide, how many people have been killed by the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccines?'

Will Big Pharma, the corporate media, the Government, the WHO, the CDC, celebrities, etc. be 'held accountable' for pushing the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccines,' or will the FAR left continue to support them?

Why is there no call from the FAR left to prosecute the aforementioned?

Nomograph,

Were you one of those that condemned those that held that natural immunity was safer and more effective than the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccines?' Check this out Nomo ...

And Just Like That, Natural Immunity is No Longer a Conspiracy Theory
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/02/and_just_like_that_natural_immunity_is_no_longer_a_conspiracy_theory.html

clambo says

In 2017 I felt shitty for a day; I must have had some sort of virus. Before 2017 I think I was sick for a day in 2012.
Before 2012 I can't recall feeling bad for one day for years.

Do you not drink? Good on you though for feeling good for that many years.

I've got 3 kids so they're always bringing shit home. I have some sort of sinus infection/cold going on now. Annoying more than anything, not a lay on the couch/bed type thing, so not bad. Weather is changing here in IL, so change of season for some reason I get something. I think I should be good till the fall/winter after this. Knock on wood, but I don't think I've ever been sick in the summer. Probably natural vitamin D.

I drink very little and very infrequently; I'm just slightly above complete abstinence.
Only at a fancy restaurant do I order wine; and I go to fancy spots infrequently.
I have noticed that in my part of Mexico there is a lot of beer drinking whenever people gather.

Questions for Nomograph ...

WHEN and HOW did you come to the conclusion that the "Trump Vaccine" was dangerous and was killing people?

Did you take the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccine' jabs ... along with the subsequent boosters?

clambo says

my decision was based on the balance between having a low functioning immune system (over age 60) and the risks entailed by the shot itself.

So you were unaware that the vaxx does not prevent the injectee from catching, carrying, or spreading Covid? Nor did you know that the vaxx increases you chance of catching the Omicron variant? Sounds like a decision made with information withheld. Also, someone with a weak immune system should have been allowed to get Ivermectin or HCQ from his/her doctor.

Look, if the whole vaccine rollout, administration, promotion, and rabid censorship of anti-vax news was a department of defense operation, then Trump actually is responsible for unleashing it on our country. It couldn’t have been done without his approval and orders to do so. The DoD had the formula in May 2020 and contracted Pfizer, Moderna, etc to make and distribute the vax. All done under state of emergency orders and rules, a state of emergency which Trump declared and Biden still hasn’t revoked!

So Yah we can lay the vax at Trump’s feet where it belongs. He caved to the deep state and gave the orders to make their Mephistophelian dreams a reality.

I seem to recall that the FAR left, including "I am that little girl" Kamala Harris, proclaiming that as long as Trump was President, they wouldn't take the (EXPERIMENTAL) 'vaccine.' Why? Because they didn't trust Donald Trump. (Apparently they thought that the evil Big Pharma was evil only because of Trump)

Funny, as soon as Biden became President, the FAR left all became mask wearing, shut down the economy, mandating 'vaccine' promoting Nazis.

Now that it's becoming abundantly evident that these 'vaccines' are killing A LOT of people, the FAR left is now pivoting and looking for someone to blame (other than themselves). Orange Man deserves a lot of the blame, but he is not the only one. Note how the 'vaccine' totalitarian Biden just magically gets passed over?

Shaman says

Look, if the whole vaccine rollout, administration, promotion, and rabid censorship of anti-vax news was a department of defense operation, then Trump actually is responsible for unleashing it on our country. It couldn’t have been done without his approval and orders to do so. The DoD had the formula in May 2020 and contracted Pfizer, Moderna, etc to make and distribute the vax. All done under state of emergency orders and rules, a state of emergency which Trump declared and Biden still hasn’t revoked!

So Yah we can lay the vax at Trump’s feet where it belongs. He caved to the deep state and gave the orders to make their Mephistophelian dreams a reality.

Does it matter, to you, if he was lied to or not?

Patrick says

Nomograph did you notice that:

1. The whole celebrity cadre and corporate news were absolutely against the toxxine while Trump was in office.

2. They did a complete 180 and relentlessly promoted the toxxine as "safe and effective" the moment Biden was in office, even though it's the same thing.

3. Now that it's clear that the toxxine is killing large number of people, you refer to it as "The Trump Vaccine".

How can you explain this?

@Nomograph You did not reply.

It seems very easy to explain to me. Hate for Trump is a religion, a religion even more intolerant, fanatical, and impervious to facts than Wahhabism. It allows not even the slightest dissent under any conditions. Any suggestion that Trump might have done some good things for the economy and by keeping us out of wars is ignored or dismissed.

On the other side, our support for Trump is conditional on his continuing to do good things for the country. We all know he looks a bit sketchy, but he really did do those good things. And now that he is failing to acknowledge the obvious harm of the vaxx, myself and millions of others are no longer supporting him.

The psychology is quite well explained here:

https://sashastone.substack.com/p/did-i-just-leave-a-cult

Not coincidentally, but rather quite deliberately, the hate for Trump was inculcated via the corporate media by the same actors who brought you such hits as "Safe and Effective" and "The US is defending democracy in Ukraine".

Please, Nomograph, join us on Team Reality. The other side is just using you for corporate profits and global power. We'd love to have you as an ally.

Ceffer says

Is Nomograph a bot?

No, he's a real user from long ago. Seems to have re-registered.

Trump was lied to. Where he failed was to say "your fired." That's really all there is to it. 15 days to stop the spread???? What the actual fuck? The highest paid federal scientist in the US said that. An airborne virus just goes away in 15 fucking days? Sorry for the swearing. Fauci 100% knew it was bull shit and Trump should have too. They had data on the virus. Was lies the whole time.

@WookieMan I agree. Trump should have fired Fauci and Birx.

The fact that he failed to fire them makes me suspect he was in the DoD plan to inject everyone with experimental mRNA. I don't know it for a fact, but that's my feeling.

Trump deserves the blame because for all his bluster, he decided it would be more politically expedient to do a rush job for a completely new and untested product that couldn’t even properly be labeled as “vaccine” until they actually changed the fucking definition of vaccine!
He saw that people were scared and that they didn’t appreciate him downplaying the virus, so he got scared for his position and made the deal with the Deep State and DoD for them to do this to the people of America.

It’s the same reason he keeps attacking DeSantis even though the guy has been a MAGA warrior. It’s the same reason he keeps defending the vax. If he EVER displays any doubt about it or regret for unleashing it on the country, his career as a politician is over over OVER. Why? Because right now he can claim to believe in the vax and claim that he was lied to. When the fact is that he had more access to better information than anyone else. And none of us thought this risky vax was a good idea. He made a POLITICAL calculation instead of a moral judgement and I hope history judges him for that!

Shaman says

He made a POLITICAL calculation instead of a moral judgement

Good summary.

Patrick says

Ceffer says

Is Nomograph a bot?

No, he's a real user from long ago. Seems to have short circuited.

Fixed it for you.

The reason Nomograph chose this issue at this time is precisely because the cog diss is gnawing at him, and he was hoping for some discordant, inconsistent responses to help salve the thoughts perculating in his mind at 3AM over the Vax.

WookieMan says

15 fucking days

It takes two weeks to develop a habit. Once they achieved 15 days of lockdown they had complete control of the narrative and everything that happened after that was premised on the investment people made in becoming compliant with the COVID lies. It was textbook cult punishment and they scared the world, including Trump into submission

We're at the point where they've walked back every reason they gave for people needing that poison. It's not just Trump or Biden who's to blame, it's all of them. And it's every one of us who pushed or believed in this shit who should be having 3am thoughts gnawing at them at this point. Even I share some blame, because I made the mistake of putting a piece of shit over my face, and making others think that was normal or healthy. It was neither, and I'll NEVER make that mistake again, ever.

PeopleUnited says

It was textbook cult punishment and they scared the world, including Trump into submission

It was 15 days that I knew it was bullshit as I dwelled on what was happening. I'm not a Nobel peace prize winner in science, but it was pretty stupid. I was given 15 days, did some research and discovered that in fact it was stupid. Vacationed in Tennessee early May 2020 because myself and friends knew it was bull shit.

I get in arguments with buddies that still say it's a real threat. I'm like seriously? When's your next Brazilian wax job coming?

April 2020

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/its-coming/

Now, what Woody actually didn’t say in that little riff, if you’re paying attention, is that the vaxxes in question are ineffective and dangerous. Yes, he actually left that part out, though there were enough dots in the monologue to connect that message, if you were of a mind to. The problem for the smartest people in the world is that their minds stopped working about five years ago — mainly when a certain DJT stepped onstage to declare that the Left’s management of national affairs was corrupt, depraved, and dangerous. This enraged the management class to the max.

Graduates of Yale, Brown, Harvard, and the rest of the elite service academies went nuts over that and, in a bizarre switcheroo for the ages, became the staunchest defenders of anything the government decided to impose on the people of this land, starting with a series of political hoaxes — RussiaGate, Ukraine phone call impeachment — cresting with the Covid-19 hysteria and its vaccination cherry-on-top. The smartest people in the world were all-in on all of that, and knocked themselves out enforcing and defending it.

And now… it’s coming… out. They were played. Absolutely snookered. All. These. Brilliant. Morally unassailably upright. Good. People. Taken for a ride. Spoofed. Put-on. Conned. And they sold out their country in the process. And now they cower on the verge of being unmasked for the mendacious fools they are. One might empathize at how horribly painful this is, the ethical wreckage of a whole social demographic! But don’t confuse empathy with sympathy. They are about to sink in historic disgrace and ignominy, and that’s why their official interlocutors react so harshly.

Another part Woody left out is what happens after the suckered people take the cartel’s drug over and over. They get sick and many of them die. We are just getting started with that chapter of the story and, as statistical investigator Edward Dowd said recently, the mRNA “vaccines” have already killed more Americans than all the wars this country ever fought. This is the kind of mis-misinformation that the managing elite really don’t want to face. But get ready. It’s coming.

Will Fetterman survive the Trump Vaccine?