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HeadSet says

richwicks says

I don't know many people that watch television, or really pay any attention to what politicians say.

Oh yeah? Ask around and see how many people:
Believe that Jan 6th was an insurrection led by Trump
Believe that Covid 19 killed millions and the vax is effective at prevention and mitigation
Believe that Trump is guilty of some serious crime with the Stormy Daniels payment
Believe that no election steal took place
Believe that the Biden laptop is just Russian propaganda
Believe that the Ukraine war was caused by a thoroughly unprovoked Russian invasion

I'm aware of this, this is just bullshit that filters into their mind because "they heard it", and not necessarily from television.

People are sheep. You know the NPC meme - it's totally true. All they have to hear is what "the consensus is", and adopt it. They don't think about it, they just accept it. They aren't obsessively watching to or listening to "news", they just hear it from a coworker, or a friend, and that's all it takes.

Everything is repeated endlessly. Not just in "news" but on the late night funny man show complete with laugh track and/or applause signs. It's in Saturday Night Live, it's in television "entertainment" programs. It's everywhere. Star Trek Strange New Worlds had a segment where they displayed footage from the "January 6th insurrection".

People just can't believe that everybody around them can be brainwashed and they can't believe they can be brainwashed. They hear about protests, they hear "Trump is a racist", they never get examples, I mean - if it wasn't true, SOMEBODY would tell them, right? I might, I'm the crank, I'm the "crazy person", because I challenge them and say "well, what exactly did he do that was racist?", and this triggers their fear response, I've caught them spouting bullshit, they don't know so it's easier for them to think I'm a "white supremacist" than for them to think "hey, maybe I've been fooled".

I've done this COUNTLESS times, I just pretend I'm ignorant, and they often fall back "haven't you heard it on the news?" - I've heard them CALL him that, but I don't know why, surely you must know why. I hear (sometimes) the "there are good people on both sides" - I have that video, but it's not immediately handy, so I will pull it up later - well "you're just making excuses".

I know exactly how propaganda works now. People are afraid of being exposed as being intellectual frauds, and most people people are. I'm a rarity in that I don't give a fuck about my status, I want to know the truth and I'll speak it. Most people like me just take advantage of people like them. They consider it hopeless, so just go along to get along, and "what does it matter?" - well, it leads down to a complete authoritarian rule, and when THAT is pointed out to them then THEY react with "you think I'm a coward or something asshole???" - yes, yes I do. You will enslave your kids and your grandkids, because it's easy.

There are several filters. First, people just don't know what is going on and accept the narrative. Second people have an idea the narrative is false, but subliminally accept that it's dangerous to go against it, so they just repeat lies. Third, people know exactly what is going on, and recognize it's dangerous, so they lie knowing they lie. Fourth is me, Fuck You Government, and all you pussies. There's plenty of people like me, but we're a tiny minority and we try to bring you into our group.

@PeopleUnited thinks I'm a fucking spook for doing this. I'm just not a fucking traitor to the human species. Does being able to think lead to insurrection? Maybe, I know what the lack of critical thinking does, it leads to tyranny. Reform or revolt.

Here's something for him to think about, "the truth will set you free", and it does, provided you have the courage to speak it. I can be wrong, I can be incorrect, but I will knowingly lie anymore. I'm too old for it. I can see where that leads to now. If I'm making an error, point it out, but I have to understand my error to correct it. I go against the grain a lot, it's not easy. But it's evil not to.

When the government screws up there are several options.

1. Whine about it on the internet and spread hatred of the government.

2. Do nothing.

3. Work to change it.

Richwichs practices number one which plays right into the hands of the anarchotyrants who have taken control of many government functions. The constant whining about how the government is evil changes nothing and is borderline pathological repeating butthurt injustice from 20-40 years ago that didn’t gain any traction then and now just sound like bitter old divorcee that can’t get over the past.

Most people do nothing.

The wise seek to change the future of government by getting involved in the process. Start small, at the precinct level, or network with others who are already connected and active and they can help you find a way to be effective.

Trump worked to change things and succeeded a bit; his reward was constant abuse by the government and the media.

All I can do is donate and vote.

HeadSet says

Believe that the Ukraine war was caused by a thoroughly unprovoked Russian invasion

How exactly was it "povoked"? I keep hearing this "provoked" bullshit, but where are the facts? Was Soviet soil attacked at any time since the war started in 2014? Nope. Not a single Ukie soldier boot stepped across the border. Quite contrary: it's the Soviet troops who exited their military bases in Crimea and attacked Ukrainian installations. And even then not a single shot was fired at them. The further escalation in Dumb Ass had Soviet arty shelling Ukie soil but nothing flying in the opposite direction. There were Soviet VDV troops "accidentally wandering" onto Ukie soil, captured and handed over, but never the other way around. Fast forward 2022: again, not a single Ukie soldier crossed the border, not a single shot fired before full-on attack began after almost a year of documened buildup on the Soviet side with nothing similar happening on the other side of the border. And the whole notion of nuclear power with 2nd army in the world being somehow threatened by a smaller non-nuclear neighbor requires a giant effort at suspending one's disbelief. It's like saying the USA was threatened by a conventional attack by Iraq. Was it really?

Looks like it's not only the liberals who lack critical thinking.

RWSGFY says

How exactly was it "povoked"?

Expansion of NATO east, to include former Soviet republics. A change of Ukraine government in 2014, with Western help, from a pro-Russian government to a pro NATO government, to include a change in the Ukraine constitution that would allow Ukraine to join NATO. At this point, Russia seriously saw the danger of a NATO naval base at Sevastopol, so the Russians annexed Crimea.

I am no fan of Putin, that man is not only head of state and government, but he is also head of the mafia and the intelligence agencies. But we should see that Putin would consider NATO expansion to include Ukraine as an existential threat.

RWSGFY says

How exactly was it "povoked"?

Ignorance or intentional stupidity. How long did you think the Russians would allow the neocons to encircle and provoke before they lashed back? Even if I had a sword I would not back a bear into a corner.

HeadSet says

But we should see that Putin would consider NATO expansion to include Ukraine as an existential threat.

How many countries has NATO invaded and annexed? For Russia that's practically a national pastime (and it's one reason why everybody hates Russians)!

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

How exactly was it "povoked"?

Expansion of NATO east, to include former Soviet republics. A change of Ukraine government in 2014, with Western help, from a pro-Russian government to a pro NATO government, to include a change in the Ukraine constitution that would allow Ukraine to join NATO. At this point, Russia seriously saw the danger of a NATO naval base at Sevastopol, so the Russians annexed Crimea.

I am no fan of Putin, that man is not only head of state and government, but he is also head of the mafia and the intelligence agencies. But we should see that Putin would consider NATO expansion to include Ukraine as an existential threat.

Mr. HeadSet, how about the wishes of those who live in the former Soviet republics? Would it not be a natural outcome that Russia be surrounded by NATO if the people of the countries that surround Russia all have similar values, or maybe interests, which are different from those of the Russians?

PeopleUnited says

Richwichs practices number one which plays right into the hands of the anarchotyrants who have taken control of many government functions. The constant whining about how the government is evil changes nothing and is borderline pathological repeating butthurt injustice from 20-40 years ago

20 to 40 years ago?

Our government has 800 political prisoners because they protested a stolen election. They put us in "lockdown" over a virus THEY created. They are dragging us into WWIII right now, they have abandoned Palestine Ohio but no amount of money is too much for Ukraine, which they overthrew in 2014 and created this war. Our CIA runs drugs to the inner city, they refuse to prosecute Antifa and BLM because they CONTROL them, they just bailed out another bank making stupid investments forcing taxpayers to pay for it, they won't prosecute them, Sam Bankman Fried will walk, the murdered Jeffrey Epstein who was running a child rape ring (and that ring is probably still operational) and they protect the people who engaged in it.

You don't have to look back 20 to 40 years ago.

If you don't understand the problem you won't try to fix the problem.

Good luck "voting harder".

The first step is breaking the propaganda grip held over everybody. That's step one. You don't realize how bad it is, so you're acting like it's 40 years ago, and all you need to do is appeal to the government to reform. Grow up. They aren't going to reform.

yawaraf says

Mr. HeadSet, how about the wishes of those who live in the former Soviet republics? Would it not be a natural outcome that Russia be surrounded by NATO if the people of the countries that surround Russia all have similar values, or maybe interests, which are different from those of the Russians?

This ain't about "right and wrong." What I am pointing out is that it was foolish to push NATO east and not expect a Russian reaction, especially when it comes to Ukraine. Just like Cuba has a "right" to do as it pleases, it was foolish for the Soviets to ignore a possible strong US response to putting in nukes or opening a naval base. Same with Nicaragua and Mig-21s.

It is also foolish to overuse the sanctions based on the dollar and not expect other nations to become concerned and thus find alternatives for the dollar.

I agree about the sanctions. They would probably only work it it's all (or mostly all) other countries against one.

It seems that you are saying that a Russian invasion should have been expected once NATO started admitting more members, especially those countries which are closer to Russia. However, would you not say that even in the case of no NATO expansion, a Russian invasion should have been expected?

I would say that the small and weak countries close to Russia's borders must align themselves, either with Russia or with NATO.

richwicks says

Good luck "voting harder".

If your idea of engaging government and being politically active is voting then you may as well stop voting.

Go to meetings, sponsor candidates. Knock on doors, run for office or recruit some one based to run. All politics starts locally.

Government is always changing. Quit whining and make it change for the better.

richwicks says

If you don't understand the problem you won't try to fix the problem.

Look in the mirror, you will see the problem.

When you change, you might be able to help the government change.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

Good luck "voting harder".

If your idea of engaging government and being politically active is voting then you may as well stop voting.

YEP, OBVIOUSLY.

Was a senile hair sniffing pervert our most popular presidential candidate in all of American history? This mother fucker, you think was elected?


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I keep telling you, to fix a problem, you first have to be aware there's a problem. The problem is, that voting doesn't fucking matter.

You still don't fucking realize this at this point, so you can't have any hope of even addressing the problem. "Oh we go door to door" - no fuck that.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

If you don't understand the problem you won't try to fix the problem.

Look in the mirror, you will see the problem.

When you change, you might be able to help the government change.

HELP the government to change?

Well, maybe I'll help the mafia to change. Maybe I'll go around and try to get the local drug cartel to change. Maybe I can help the Crypts and Bloods to change. I'm sure they want my FUCKING HELP.

Voting ONLY exists to give you the vague impression of "well, we voted for this". DID we? No, we didn't. You still don't realize that. MOST people still don't realize this.

richwicks says

This mother fucker, you think was elected?

Yes, the states certified the votes and the electoral college voted for the potatus. These people, (state and locally elected officials) are responsible for the votes in their jurisdiction. You or someone you know could do that job. Until you realize that local officials run the election then you don’t understand how to prevent the ongoing fraud.

richwicks says

DID we? No, we didn't.

Yes you did. If you did not file a lawsuit to challenge the outcome you are stating by your unwillingness to stand up for your rights, that your rights are not worth defending. Worse than that, you are not even trying to fix the problem with your local officials that likely need to be replaced to restore integrity to the process.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

This mother fucker, you think was elected?

Yes, the states certified the votes and the electoral college voted for the potatus. These people, (state and locally elected officials) are responsible for the votes in their jurisdiction. You or someone you know could do that job. Until you realize that local officials run the election then you don’t understand how to prevent the ongoing fraud.

There's mafia thugs that run our vote, but we didn't vote in Biden.

That's what you don't understand, or don't give a shit about. Biden wasn't elected.

The government is simply a criminal syndicate. Nothing more. It's a group of criminals, and until the public accepts this, they can't fix it.

PeopleUnited says

richwicks says

DID we? No, we didn't.

Yes you did. If you did not file a lawsuit to challenge the outcome

Monetary loss prevents this, it's designed this way.

Even if you put up the money, you "won't have standing".

Stop thinking the mafia is going to fix the mafia.

You claim the government is the mafia. That is not accurate, only a fool or a FED would spread such lies.

Your neighbors count the votes, certify elections, run the courts and enforce the law (or don’t enforce it). The foundation of the government is your neighbors. They are not mafia, they may be useful idiots (brainwashed and lazy fools) but that’s a far cry from mafia. If you won’t focus on your neighbors nothing will change.

AmericanKulak says

"Trump indicted."

Dan Bongino editorializing on the indictment and prosecution of Donald Trump in New York...

"Arresting Trump for Clintons' crimes" This, from March 20, 2023 about 10 days before the actual indictment.


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It's good news to see Trump is suing Cohen for violating his attorney:client privilege.
Cohen is a rat bastard who needs to go to prison; actually that's where he is going.