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HeadSet
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2023 May 15, 11:54am
HeadSet
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2023 May 15, 11:54am
richwicks says
NO2 would only be produced if the hydrogen was burned in an ICE that drew atmospheric air for the O2. Not an issue for a stove.
richwicks says
You got that right. But maybe as a green experiment using solar cells for the electricity.
richwicks says
I did such electrolysis in chem class. The hydrogen will pop when lit and mixed with even a small amount of ambient air. We put smoldering objects into the O2 bottle and they would flame up. Nothing drastic there. We knew better than to mix the H2 and O2 and light it.
Just generate hydrogen gas from electrolysis. It's NOT efficient at all, but it burns very cleanly and the byproducts are just water, and perhaps some NO2.
NO2 would only be produced if the hydrogen was burned in an ICE that drew atmospheric air for the O2. Not an issue for a stove.
richwicks says
Just generate hydrogen gas from electrolysis. It's NOT efficient at all,
You got that right. But maybe as a green experiment using solar cells for the electricity.
richwicks says
This process creates both oxygen and hydrogen and never can the two mix. If you end up with a mixed gas, you basically have a bomb.
I did such electrolysis in chem class. The hydrogen will pop when lit and mixed with even a small amount of ambient air. We put smoldering objects into the O2 bottle and they would flame up. Nothing drastic there. We knew better than to mix the H2 and O2 and light it.
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komputodo
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2023 May 15, 12:11pm
komputodo
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2023 May 15, 12:11pm
richwicks says
Is it just stoves or are they going to remove the gas meter from every house? Is propane going to be eliminated also? No more gas heat? No gas clothes driers? No propane for your fancy gas BBQ? No propane for cars and trucks? all wood burning stoves also eliminated? Are the best solutions always HIGH TECH?
Since gas stoves are being eliminated, I have a solution
Is it just stoves or are they going to remove the gas meter from every house? Is propane going to be eliminated also? No more gas heat? No gas clothes driers? No propane for your fancy gas BBQ? No propane for cars and trucks? all wood burning stoves also eliminated? Are the best solutions always HIGH TECH?
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DhammaStep
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2023 May 15, 12:32pm
richwicks says
The solution is that there wasn't really a problem in the first place. Leave my gas alone.
There, a solution for chefs
The solution is that there wasn't really a problem in the first place. Leave my gas alone.
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richwicks
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2023 May 15, 1:18pm
richwicks
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2023 May 15, 1:18pm
HeadSet says
I'm talking about stuff for CHEFS. They want gas stoves. Hydrogen gas would burn a little differently, but they'd adjust to it.
Don't care about efficiency.
DhammaStep says
And yep, it isn't a problem. It elevates CO2 levels a LITTLE bit in a home, but, they are just making another stupid regulation for no reason really. It's just to be a pain in the ass. I knew people that heated their whole home with kerosene heaters. that just vents directly in the home. Where you get into trouble is if you burn up enough oxygen, you start producing carbon monoxide. We always heard of somebody dying from it, but I never knew anybody - may have been urban legend.
Chefs tend to prefer to cook with gas, I think because they can more easily control the temperature, and heat up more quickly and reduce heat more quickly. From what I understand anyhow. I am not chef, but I'm competent as a cook.
You got that right. But maybe as a green experiment using solar cells for the electricity.
I'm talking about stuff for CHEFS. They want gas stoves. Hydrogen gas would burn a little differently, but they'd adjust to it.
Don't care about efficiency.
DhammaStep says
The solution is that there wasn't really a problem in the first place. Leave my gas alone.
And yep, it isn't a problem. It elevates CO2 levels a LITTLE bit in a home, but, they are just making another stupid regulation for no reason really. It's just to be a pain in the ass. I knew people that heated their whole home with kerosene heaters. that just vents directly in the home. Where you get into trouble is if you burn up enough oxygen, you start producing carbon monoxide. We always heard of somebody dying from it, but I never knew anybody - may have been urban legend.
Chefs tend to prefer to cook with gas, I think because they can more easily control the temperature, and heat up more quickly and reduce heat more quickly. From what I understand anyhow. I am not chef, but I'm competent as a cook.
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HeadSet
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2023 May 15, 2:21pm
HeadSet
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2023 May 15, 2:21pm
richwicks says
I was talking about using the solar cells to make electricity for the electrolysis.
HeadSet says
You got that right. But maybe as a green experiment using solar cells for the electricity.
I'm talking about stuff for CHEFS. They want gas stoves. Hydrogen gas would burn a little differently, but they'd adjust to it.
Don't care about efficiency.
I was talking about using the solar cells to make electricity for the electrolysis.
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richwicks
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2023 May 15, 2:31pm
richwicks
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2023 May 15, 2:31pm
HeadSet says
You would only want to make enough gas for gas on demand. I know it's not legal to store large amounts of compressed hydrogen gas.
You'd want basically a vapor locked tube where one side produces just hydrogen, and the other vents the oxygen. The closer the anode and cathode is to one another, they more efficient it is but again, you want to be careful not to mix the oxygen and hydrogen.
If you want solar cells, just dump the energy into the grid. What's the point of just using solar cells at all?
I know you need a lot of surface area for the anode and cathode and corrosion is a problem, so you need an inert metal.
In nuclear subs, they produce oxygen by electrolysis, and vent the hydrogen. They remove CO2 with a liquid that easily absorbs CO2, and (I think when heated?) will boil of the CO2 which is vented as well.
I was talking about using the solar cells to make electricity for the electrolysis.
You would only want to make enough gas for gas on demand. I know it's not legal to store large amounts of compressed hydrogen gas.
You'd want basically a vapor locked tube where one side produces just hydrogen, and the other vents the oxygen. The closer the anode and cathode is to one another, they more efficient it is but again, you want to be careful not to mix the oxygen and hydrogen.
If you want solar cells, just dump the energy into the grid. What's the point of just using solar cells at all?
I know you need a lot of surface area for the anode and cathode and corrosion is a problem, so you need an inert metal.
In nuclear subs, they produce oxygen by electrolysis, and vent the hydrogen. They remove CO2 with a liquid that easily absorbs CO2, and (I think when heated?) will boil of the CO2 which is vented as well.
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WookieMan
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2023 May 15, 3:06pm
WookieMan
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2023 May 15, 3:06pm
Why would you guys live in CA and even think about this? I'm cooking with gas. Propane or natural gas. No government has the authority to stop me. Enjoy. You'll get shot in the face if you try to take my gas.
I live in one of the top 5 worst states in the nation. You guys live in literally the worst. I don't get it. For what? Weather? Fuck family, that's baggage and a burden and you can make new friends. You can hike in the Smokies and be 4-5 hours from the beach and rent or own for 1/4 the cost of CA. Weather is literally the only reason to live in CA. You can't have a fucking gas stove or grill eventually?? Congrats on staying in the dumbest and most expensive state in the Country and world.
My camping chair causes me to get cancer according to CA. Let that soak in. I can make more and pay less in flyover country. I'm not a pussy and can handle cold weather. I really don't get it. I've been to tons of nicer places in other states and countries than CA. It's not special by any means. It's a bunch of Jewish egos controlling y'all. Enjoy.
And sorry if that's a harsh take, but it's reality.
I live in one of the top 5 worst states in the nation. You guys live in literally the worst. I don't get it. For what? Weather? Fuck family, that's baggage and a burden and you can make new friends. You can hike in the Smokies and be 4-5 hours from the beach and rent or own for 1/4 the cost of CA. Weather is literally the only reason to live in CA. You can't have a fucking gas stove or grill eventually?? Congrats on staying in the dumbest and most expensive state in the Country and world.
My camping chair causes me to get cancer according to CA. Let that soak in. I can make more and pay less in flyover country. I'm not a pussy and can handle cold weather. I really don't get it. I've been to tons of nicer places in other states and countries than CA. It's not special by any means. It's a bunch of Jewish egos controlling y'all. Enjoy.
And sorry if that's a harsh take, but it's reality.
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SunnyvaleCA
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2023 May 15, 3:44pm
How about making the hydrogen on demand. Then you could feed the oxygen to the combustion area and consume that at the same time.
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SunnyvaleCA
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2023 May 15, 3:49pm
For home use, I absolutely love my induction cooktop. 30 Amps x 240 volts x 95% efficiency is amazing. If you're cooking small to midsize quantities of food and using a pan of "only" 8-inch diameter, the induction cooktop simply puts more heat into the pan than natural gas is able, given the small surface area. Since the ceramic surface doesn't get particularly hot, nothing burns to it, making cleanup a breeze.
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B.A.C.A.H.
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2023 May 15, 4:15pm
B.A.C.A.H.
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2023 May 15, 4:15pm
SunnyvaleCA says
I like my gas STOVETOP. But all the stuff I've heard about them, the induction STOVETOP would be OK.
They're trying to distract folks by discussing "gas stoves". "Electric stoves", provided they have those induction type cooktops, would probably do just fine.
But the electric range OVEN is not a suitable replacement for cooking with gas. Cooking with an electric range oven SUCKS. It only produces radiant heat, a different concept than the heated combustion products from burning of gas diffusing into the stuff we're cooking.
If they take away my gas range oven from me I'll just use propane. Me and many others. There's gonna be lots of accidents, fires, etc with people having propane ovens in their homes.
For home use, I absolutely love my induction cooktop.
I like my gas STOVETOP. But all the stuff I've heard about them, the induction STOVETOP would be OK.
They're trying to distract folks by discussing "gas stoves". "Electric stoves", provided they have those induction type cooktops, would probably do just fine.
But the electric range OVEN is not a suitable replacement for cooking with gas. Cooking with an electric range oven SUCKS. It only produces radiant heat, a different concept than the heated combustion products from burning of gas diffusing into the stuff we're cooking.
If they take away my gas range oven from me I'll just use propane. Me and many others. There's gonna be lots of accidents, fires, etc with people having propane ovens in their homes.
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richwicks
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2023 May 15, 5:59pm
richwicks
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2023 May 15, 5:59pm
SunnyvaleCA says
I think that might be dangerous. If both aren't burned completely.
Air is about 20% oxygen anyhow. I dunno, you don't want to burn up all the oxygen in the room either, and then just leave nitrogen and trace amounts of water vapor and CO2. That's a sure way to die.
You have to keep the O2 and H2 separate until you combine to burn. Maybe it would be enough to vent the O2 into the kitchen area, but then you'd want to mix it, make certain there can't be a build up of O2 anywhere.
How about making the hydrogen on demand. Then you could feed the oxygen to the combustion area and consume that at the same time.
I think that might be dangerous. If both aren't burned completely.
Air is about 20% oxygen anyhow. I dunno, you don't want to burn up all the oxygen in the room either, and then just leave nitrogen and trace amounts of water vapor and CO2. That's a sure way to die.
You have to keep the O2 and H2 separate until you combine to burn. Maybe it would be enough to vent the O2 into the kitchen area, but then you'd want to mix it, make certain there can't be a build up of O2 anywhere.
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richwicks
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2023 May 15, 6:00pm
richwicks
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2023 May 15, 6:00pm
B.A.C.A.H. says
Propane just like natural gas is adulterated with a odor that is QUITE noticeable when it leaks.
If they take away my gas range oven from me I'll just use propane. Me and many others. There's gonna be lots of accidents, fires, etc with people having propane ovens in their homes.
Propane just like natural gas is adulterated with a odor that is QUITE noticeable when it leaks.
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Just generate hydrogen gas from electrolysis. It's NOT efficient at all, but it burns very cleanly and the byproducts are just water, and perhaps some NO2.
It's easy to do and would be relatively safe to operate. Would be no more explosive than natural gas. Production of the gas can be controlled by a float, such that when enough hydrogen is created in the water, either the electrodes are exposed (don't think that's a good idea, because it would wear the electrodes more at the bottom than the top), or just a float that turns on an off a switch to the electricity.
There, a solution for chefs. But it's like 35% efficient. You'd need something like gold or platinum electrodes, and they need to have a LOT of surface area.
This process creates both oxygen and hydrogen and never can the two mix. If you end up with a mixed gas, you basically have a bomb. They oxygen would also have to be vented to the outside, and carefully because any fire near that would burn vigorously.