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richwicks
2023 May 17, 2:41pm
richwicks
2023 May 17, 2:41pm
WookieMan says
I grew up in an all electric kitchen. I'm CERTAIN I burned myself on those coils once, but you only do that once.
WookieMan says
I think the real reason is to increase dependence. It's not about reducing energy usage, it's doing the opposite. It's probably being pushed by the natural gas industry. Electricity is the WORST way to heat your home. MAYBE with a heat pump it's about equal to natural gas.
I don't think the push to make EVERYTHING electric is being done to make the world a better place, and it doesn't have anything to do with reducing CO2 emissions. It's doing the opposite.
Agree with all this. They're older now, but my beef with the electric coils or the flat surfaces beyond cooking was a 3 or 4 year old kid putting their hand up there. I've seen it happen. They stay hot forever and unless you train them as early as possible you can walk away and 5 minutes later a kids or hell even an adult has 3rd degree burns on their hand.
I grew up in an all electric kitchen. I'm CERTAIN I burned myself on those coils once, but you only do that once.
WookieMan says
We have a ton of nukes here in IL. But we also have a lot of gas power plants. I believe that's most of how CA gets their power if I recall correctly. I honestly wonder if that's the real reason for not allowing gas appliances?
I think the real reason is to increase dependence. It's not about reducing energy usage, it's doing the opposite. It's probably being pushed by the natural gas industry. Electricity is the WORST way to heat your home. MAYBE with a heat pump it's about equal to natural gas.
I don't think the push to make EVERYTHING electric is being done to make the world a better place, and it doesn't have anything to do with reducing CO2 emissions. It's doing the opposite.
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EBGuy
2023 May 17, 3:19pm
Indoor air quality is, ostensibly, one of the big reasons for the push against gas stoves.
Are Gas Stoves Really Causing Asthma?
A dive into the paper behind the panicked headlines.
The concern is that gas stoves emit high levels of nitrogen oxides, and those pollutants could lead to respiratory issues in children... In their case, they estimate 12.7 percent of asthma cases are caused by gas stoves.
Are Gas Stoves Really Causing Asthma?
A dive into the paper behind the panicked headlines.
The concern is that gas stoves emit high levels of nitrogen oxides, and those pollutants could lead to respiratory issues in children... In their case, they estimate 12.7 percent of asthma cases are caused by gas stoves.
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richwicks
2023 May 17, 3:27pm
richwicks
2023 May 17, 3:27pm
EBGuy says
Bull. Shit.
They don't care about people. If they did, they wouldn't be pushing experimental vaccines that are causing kids to have strokes and heart attacks. We all know this. They always lie about their motivations.
The vaccines aren't just about money either. If they were, they'd just use some injection that has a bunch of bullshit in it, that is completely safe.
Indoor air quality is, ostensibly, one of the big reasons for the push against gas stoves.
Are Gas Stoves Really Causing Asthma?
A dive into the paper behind the panicked headlines.
The concern is that gas stoves emit high levels of nitrogen oxides, and those pollutants could lead to respiratory issues in children... In their case, they estimate 12.7 percent of asthma cases are caused by gas stoves.
Bull. Shit.
They don't care about people. If they did, they wouldn't be pushing experimental vaccines that are causing kids to have strokes and heart attacks. We all know this. They always lie about their motivations.
The vaccines aren't just about money either. If they were, they'd just use some injection that has a bunch of bullshit in it, that is completely safe.
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Eric Holder
2023 May 17, 3:55pm
Eric Holder
2023 May 17, 3:55pm
WookieMan says
I'm cooking with gas too. This is non-issue now and there is no guarantee it will be an issue later. (Especially taking into account the recent court decision overturning Berkeleys' attempted ban on gas lines for new buildings). The OP just likes to spread FUD and preach doom&gloom in the US (while prising shitholes like CCCP or Quaddafi's Lybia).
Why would you guys live in CA and even think about this? I'm cooking with gas.
I'm cooking with gas too. This is non-issue now and there is no guarantee it will be an issue later. (Especially taking into account the recent court decision overturning Berkeleys' attempted ban on gas lines for new buildings). The OP just likes to spread FUD and preach doom&gloom in the US (while prising shitholes like CCCP or Quaddafi's Lybia).
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richwicks
2023 May 17, 4:14pm
richwicks
2023 May 17, 4:14pm
Eric Holder says
I'm just pointing out there's a solution if this artificial problem happens, and it has happened. Denial of this is just, wrong.
Producing hydrogen is easy, but you'd ONLY do this for chefs, and it's EXTREMELY inefficient to do it this way, but it's not like the cost of food is very much effected by the cost of heating. A quick estimate is about 30% efficient, which is terrible, but easy to do.
WookieMan says
Why would you guys live in CA and even think about this? I'm cooking with gas.
I'm cooking with gas too. This is non-issue now and there is no guarantee it will be an issue later. (Especially taking into account the recent court decision overturning Berkeleys' attempted ban on gas lines for new buildings). The OP just likes to spread FUD and preach doom&gloom in the US (while prising shitholes like CCCP or Quaddafi's Lybia).
I'm just pointing out there's a solution if this artificial problem happens, and it has happened. Denial of this is just, wrong.
Producing hydrogen is easy, but you'd ONLY do this for chefs, and it's EXTREMELY inefficient to do it this way, but it's not like the cost of food is very much effected by the cost of heating. A quick estimate is about 30% efficient, which is terrible, but easy to do.
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HeadSet
2023 May 17, 6:33pm
HeadSet
2023 May 17, 6:33pm
Surprised the solar oven (or solar cooker) has not caught on. It is a large reflective cone with the bottom half cut off, so that it is a ring that reflects sunlight onto a concentrated area. Totally free on a sunny day. There are other configurations, but all basically reflect sunlight into a small area. Walmart and Target sell them.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/FETCOI-Portable-Solar-Cooker-150cm-Diameter-Camping-Outdoor-Parabolic-Sun-Oven-Heat-NEW/1415477824?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101082135&adid=22222222222000000000&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=e&wl1=o&wl2=c&wl3=10352200394&wl4=pla-1103028060075%3Aaud-807615483&wl5=&wl6=&wl7=&wl10=Walmart&wl11=Online&wl12=1415477824_10001101506&wl14=solar+oven&veh=sem&gclid=ee279d7be41b17546046f91e9b5ba190&gclsrc=3p.ds&msclkid=ee279d7be41b17546046f91e9b5ba190
https://www.walmart.com/ip/FETCOI-Portable-Solar-Cooker-150cm-Diameter-Camping-Outdoor-Parabolic-Sun-Oven-Heat-NEW/1415477824?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101082135&adid=22222222222000000000&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=e&wl1=o&wl2=c&wl3=10352200394&wl4=pla-1103028060075%3Aaud-807615483&wl5=&wl6=&wl7=&wl10=Walmart&wl11=Online&wl12=1415477824_10001101506&wl14=solar+oven&veh=sem&gclid=ee279d7be41b17546046f91e9b5ba190&gclsrc=3p.ds&msclkid=ee279d7be41b17546046f91e9b5ba190
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B.A.C.A.H.
2023 May 17, 6:50pm
B.A.C.A.H.
2023 May 17, 6:50pm
EBGuy says
But it's OK for parents to smoke cigarettes inside their homes.
Indoor air quality is, ostensibly, one of the big reasons for the push against gas stoves.
Are Gas Stoves Really Causing Asthma?
A dive into the paper behind the panicked headlines.
The concern is that gas stoves emit high levels of nitrogen oxides, and those pollutants could lead to respiratory issues in children... In their case, they estimate 12.7 percent of asthma cases are caused by gas stoves.
But it's OK for parents to smoke cigarettes inside their homes.
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ForcedTQ
2023 May 17, 7:07pm
EBGuy says
Because their operators are too stupid to turn on the stove hood and exhaust the emissions. Operator error.
Indoor air quality is, ostensibly, one of the big reasons for the push against gas stoves.
Are Gas Stoves Really Causing Asthma?
A dive into the paper behind the panicked headlines.
The concern is that gas stoves emit high levels of nitrogen oxides, and those pollutants could lead to respiratory issues in children... In their case, they estimate 12.7 percent of asthma cases are caused by gas stoves.
Because their operators are too stupid to turn on the stove hood and exhaust the emissions. Operator error.
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WookieMan
2023 May 18, 5:11am
WookieMan
2023 May 18, 5:11am
B.A.C.A.H. says
Valid point. Former smoker as I've mentioned. I've never smoked in an enclosed area with my kids. Not a joke, but the people we have over that still smoke outside, there is a designated spot for it. I put ash trays out and certain people still just throw them on the ground. I'm not judging them, but at least don't litter my damn yard. It took 2 years to full get over cravings, year 7 now. I don't miss that habit at all or have any cravings after those first 2. Number 1 dumbest decision of my life. Took 4 times.
Gas stoves have nothing to do with asthma from your quoted comment. Not directed at you BACAH. But outside of extremely rare cases asthma is generally a made up illness in my mind. My nephew that lives with us "supposedly" has it. My SIL was doing doctors visits and then I started doing them. Doc said he was fine.
It's a women illness for their kids because they're scared every time they cough or seem to have labored breathing. Sexist as hell, but it's fact. Munchausen syndrome by the mother on their child. Before taking him in I camped with him and my boys. My SIL mentioned nothing about meds. So he didn't take them for a week. Emergency inhaler and all this other shit. He didn't need it. He has pollen allergies..... our car was covered in pollen. Car wash level pollen. Coughed a bit, but no issues.
Another reason I don't trust the medical field and wouldn't trust any study on natural gas "causing" asthma. We'd all need inhalers if that were true. It's not. Until we all realize that everything and I mean everything is set up to extract money from you, you aren't going to live a happy life. Doctors don't care. I've yet to meet an honest one. Or find a study that's not massively biased and flawed like natural gas causing asthma.
Asbestos, lead paint, etc. was killing everyone while our life expectancy has slowed but it was steadily increasing during those times. So blame natural gas..... or covid. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy
But it's OK for parents to smoke cigarettes inside their homes.
Valid point. Former smoker as I've mentioned. I've never smoked in an enclosed area with my kids. Not a joke, but the people we have over that still smoke outside, there is a designated spot for it. I put ash trays out and certain people still just throw them on the ground. I'm not judging them, but at least don't litter my damn yard. It took 2 years to full get over cravings, year 7 now. I don't miss that habit at all or have any cravings after those first 2. Number 1 dumbest decision of my life. Took 4 times.
Gas stoves have nothing to do with asthma from your quoted comment. Not directed at you BACAH. But outside of extremely rare cases asthma is generally a made up illness in my mind. My nephew that lives with us "supposedly" has it. My SIL was doing doctors visits and then I started doing them. Doc said he was fine.
It's a women illness for their kids because they're scared every time they cough or seem to have labored breathing. Sexist as hell, but it's fact. Munchausen syndrome by the mother on their child. Before taking him in I camped with him and my boys. My SIL mentioned nothing about meds. So he didn't take them for a week. Emergency inhaler and all this other shit. He didn't need it. He has pollen allergies..... our car was covered in pollen. Car wash level pollen. Coughed a bit, but no issues.
Another reason I don't trust the medical field and wouldn't trust any study on natural gas "causing" asthma. We'd all need inhalers if that were true. It's not. Until we all realize that everything and I mean everything is set up to extract money from you, you aren't going to live a happy life. Doctors don't care. I've yet to meet an honest one. Or find a study that's not massively biased and flawed like natural gas causing asthma.
Asbestos, lead paint, etc. was killing everyone while our life expectancy has slowed but it was steadily increasing during those times. So blame natural gas..... or covid. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy
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richwicks
2023 May 18, 7:51am
richwicks
2023 May 18, 7:51am
WookieMan says
As a kid, I frequently got bronchitis, that's totally real. My throat would swell up, and I would wake up in the middle of the night having difficulty breathing. By the time I was 4, I knew to go to a sink, run hot water, and inhale the steam, and that would alleviate it. I remember the panic it caused me because it felt like I was suffocating.
I don't know why inhaling water vapor alleviated it, but it does. I've not experienced it since I was a teenager. Wouldn't be surprised to go through it again as an old man though.
WookieMan says
There are honest vets. My vet was a good doctor.
Gas stoves have nothing to do with asthma from your quoted comment. Not directed at you BACAH. But outside of extremely rare cases asthma is generally a made up illness in my mind. My nephew that lives with us "supposedly" has it. My SIL was doing doctors visits and then I started doing them. Doc said he was fine.
As a kid, I frequently got bronchitis, that's totally real. My throat would swell up, and I would wake up in the middle of the night having difficulty breathing. By the time I was 4, I knew to go to a sink, run hot water, and inhale the steam, and that would alleviate it. I remember the panic it caused me because it felt like I was suffocating.
I don't know why inhaling water vapor alleviated it, but it does. I've not experienced it since I was a teenager. Wouldn't be surprised to go through it again as an old man though.
WookieMan says
Doctors don't care. I've yet to meet an honest one.
There are honest vets. My vet was a good doctor.
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Just generate hydrogen gas from electrolysis. It's NOT efficient at all, but it burns very cleanly and the byproducts are just water, and perhaps some NO2.
It's easy to do and would be relatively safe to operate. Would be no more explosive than natural gas. Production of the gas can be controlled by a float, such that when enough hydrogen is created in the water, either the electrodes are exposed (don't think that's a good idea, because it would wear the electrodes more at the bottom than the top), or just a float that turns on an off a switch to the electricity.
There, a solution for chefs. But it's like 35% efficient. You'd need something like gold or platinum electrodes, and they need to have a LOT of surface area.
This process creates both oxygen and hydrogen and never can the two mix. If you end up with a mixed gas, you basically have a bomb. They oxygen would also have to be vented to the outside, and carefully because any fire near that would burn vigorously.