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2023 May 28, 7:13pm   2,341 views  63 comments

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I came across this on Quora and thought it was interesting to share.

- Answer to Poor people work hard every day. What's the difference between a poor and a wealthy hardworking person? by Hector Quintanilla

Money is abundant. Money is EVERYWHERE!

The government has money, the banks have money, schools have money, restaurants have money …

You have money, your friends have money!

The rich have money, the poor have money!

Money is EVERYWHERE and always moving. Money is “flying” all around us, ALL the time, 24 hours a day — everyday, 365 days a year!

What’s the difference between a poor, hardworking person versus a wealthy, hardworking person?

The difference is in HOW they ‘catch’ money.

Poor, hardworking people invest their limited working hours ‘chasing’ money, while the wealthy, hardworking people will invest the same amount of limited working hours building an asset that will “catch” money for them.

For example, spiders will NEVER work hard chasing flying insects to make a living. Instead, they will work hard building a spiderweb that will catch abundant flying insects for them.

That’s called an asset. It works 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, catching flying “money” — even while the spider sleeps.

That’s the secret.

Schools won’t tell you this. They will teach you to chase money, which leads to the paycheck formula:

(College degree) x (Time) = Paycheck

Warning: That’s an energy-draining trap!

There’s only one solution: Entrepreneurship.

Stop making excuses and start building your “SPIDERWEB” today!

https://www.quora.com/Poor-people-work-hard-every-day-Whats-the-difference-between-a-poor-and-a-wealthy-hardworking-person/answer/Hector-Quintanilla?ch=15&oid=158123858&share=28755099&srid=hK5Qu5&target_type=answer

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36   GNL   2024 Mar 4, 11:04am  

Rin says

If I were to 'do it' again, I'd get a job with the State of Massachusetts, not to make a fortune but to 'make a living' capped at 40 hrs per week. In other words, unlike much of the corporate world, the standard 45-60+ hr work week isn't required for a State a/o union job.

Then, I'd use the rest of my time to do algorithmic trading and thus, build my wealth w/o needing a corporate job & its so-called retirement perks like restricted stock, etc, while killing myself 5 to 6 days per week.

Yep, a good government job is worth it's weight in gold. A no stress, pensioned and 40 hour government job has many benefits. I cannot stand any government worker. Sorry but, imo, they are the blood sucking class.
37   GNL   2024 Mar 4, 11:11am  

HeadSet says


GNL says


I'm sure it's because women still see men as an asset. Women are the spiders that spin a web to catch men.

They really do not have a choice, as they make the babies and human children have a long childhood. There are a few women that do not mind being a single mom, but that is the exception.


It's just not like that any more. Women (actually the family unit) have become completely exploited. There are very few that can raise a family without 2 incomes. Not only 2 incomes but increasingly 2 GOOD incomes. At least that's what I see around me.
38   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 Mar 4, 11:41am  

GNL says


Rin says


If I were to 'do it' again, I'd get a job with the State of Massachusetts, not to make a fortune but to 'make a living' capped at 40 hrs per week. In other words, unlike much of the corporate world, the standard 45-60+ hr work week isn't required for a State a/o union job.

Then, I'd use the rest of my time to do algorithmic trading and thus, build my wealth w/o needing a corporate job & its so-called retirement perks like restricted stock, etc, while killing myself 5 to 6 days per week.

Yep, a good government job is worth it's weight in gold. A no stress, pensioned and 40 hour government job has many benefits. I cannot stand any government worker. Sorry but, imo, they are the blood sucking class.



my tenants are government employees, working for school district. nice hard working people, but bad credit. average income. seem like typical everyday americans. so far never late on payments.
39   AD   2024 Mar 4, 12:42pm  

Eman says

I graduated from SJSU a BSCE and a MSCE. I designed high rise buildings, bridges, etc… in my previous life.

It’s not that easy to quit my job and be a full-time landlord with nose bleeding expensive real estate in the Bay Area. In fact, it’s practically impossible to many here. I analyzed data for almost a decade to make sense of it, but it never made sense until the housing crash in late 2000’s.


You kind of like me whereas I have a PE and worked facilities engineering. Before that I graduated from same university as Patrick but I think Patrick was computer engineering (with Larry Page) and I was dual major (mechanical and industrial engineering). I worked mechanical integrity mostly,

You know home building code and maintenance.

You played your cards well and earned the winnings.
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40   AmericanKulak   2024 Mar 4, 12:45pm  

DON'T GO TO COLLEGE

Unless it's Engineering, Nursing, Accounting, etc.

At 17/18, get a trade. With a few years experience, you do side jobs until the side jobs turn into working for yourself, then you have so much work you hire people.

When most 21-22 year olds have $80k in debt and a degree that gets them an extra couple of bucks/hour doing White Collar bullshit, you'll have made $100k easy and long since paid off the $6-15k of trade school debt.
41   HeadSet   2024 Mar 4, 12:49pm  

GNL says

HeadSet says



GNL says



I'm sure it's because women still see men as an asset. Women are the spiders that spin a web to catch men.

They really do not have a choice, as they make the babies and human children have a long childhood. There are a few women that do not mind being a single mom, but that is the exception.



It's just not like that any more. Women (actually the family unit) have become completely exploited. There are very few that can raise a family without 2 incomes. Not only 2 incomes but increasingly 2 GOOD incomes. At least that's what I see around me.

You are kinda making my point.
42   stereotomy   2024 Mar 4, 1:24pm  

AmericanKulak says

DON'T GO TO COLLEGE

Unless it's Engineering, Nursing, Accounting, etc.

At 17/18, get a trade. With a few years experience, you do side jobs until the side jobs turn into working for yourself, then you have so much work you hire people.

When most 21-22 year olds have $80k in debt and a degree that gets them an extra couple of bucks/hour doing White Collar bullshit, you'll have made $100k easy and long since paid off the $6-15k of trade school debt.

I previously told my son this (he's 15) a few years ago. I think it worked like reverse psychology - now he's busting his ass to get good enough grades for college. Go figure.

I should have done trades. I had a near-photographic memory. I could have memorized the entire electrical or plumbing code and just stand around quoting regs to the guys. That probably wouldn't have ended well.

College used to be a two-fer for guys - get a marketable degree, and wallow in "high quality" coed pussy until you got it out of your system. Nowadays, no pussy, bullshit majors. Yeah, with trades you just get the occasional MILF or random cold approach, unless family business dynamics can elevate your SMV status (e.g. courting the boss's daughter with his permission).
43   Eman   2024 Mar 4, 2:21pm  

GNL says

Rin says


If I were to 'do it' again, I'd get a job with the State of Massachusetts, not to make a fortune but to 'make a living' capped at 40 hrs per week. In other words, unlike much of the corporate world, the standard 45-60+ hr work week isn't required for a State a/o union job.

Then, I'd use the rest of my time to do algorithmic trading and thus, build my wealth w/o needing a corporate job & its so-called retirement perks like restricted stock, etc, while killing myself 5 to 6 days per week.

Yep, a good government job is worth it's weight in gold. A no stress, pensioned and 40 hour government job has many benefits. I cannot stand any government worker. Sorry but, imo, they are the blood sucking class.

It’s huge. For anyone who is not a go getter, getting a government job is a fantastic deal. Wife’s brothers will retire in 5 and 7 years at the age of 50. They’ll be making over $200k then. 27 years at 3% PERS = 81% of the salary for the rest of their lives with annual COLA. That’s over $5M pension package assuming they’ll live till 80.

As mentioned above, there were times I thought about my previous job offer from the Water District during the darkest moments. Fortunately, it has worked out with real estate so there are no regrets.
44   AD   2024 Mar 4, 8:24pm  

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its tough to make it in Biden's America ... it use to be a 15% poverty rate ... Canada's rate is 11.6% .... Brazil and Bulgaria are each at about 26.5% ..

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45   Eman   2024 Mar 4, 8:43pm  

Someone is using the same trick I used during the housing crash. I had 4 CC at $20-$27k limit each.

Deposited $40k in the joint account. Bought the condo for $150k with 25% down and financed 75% with wife’s credit. I didn’t have a job. Borrowing was extremely difficult for self-employed people back then too.

After 6 months of seasoning, cash-out refinance, payoff the first loan and payoff the CC with the excess proceeds. Rinse and repeat a couple deals each year. Then a Patnet member came into my life, and I was able to do 4-5 deals each year. 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.


46   AD   2024 Mar 4, 9:06pm  

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Yeah Eman, I remember being able to buy I series savings bonds with credit cards. Use the credit card that had 1.5% cash back to buy the bonds online.

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47   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 Mar 4, 9:20pm  

Eman says

Someone is using the same trick I used during the housing crash. I had 4 CC at $20-$27k limit each.

Deposited $40k in the joint account. Bought the condo for $150k with 25% down and financed 75% with wife’s credit. I didn’t have a job. Borrowing was extremely difficult for self-employed people back then too.

After 6 months of seasoning, cash-out refinance, payoff the first loan and payoff the CC with the excess proceeds. Rinse and repeat a couple deals each year. Then a Patnet member came into my life, and I was able to do 4-5 deals each year. 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.





that was a good time to buy. in retrospect once in a lifetime opportunity.
48   Eman   2024 Mar 4, 10:02pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

that was a good time to buy. in retrospect once in a lifetime opportunity.


It definitely was. Looks like the big real estate crash this time is the office building sector and potentially retail buildings. Multifamily will also be in trouble if rent drops significantly IMO. I’m not familiar with the warehouse and industrial sectors.

The whole economy seems fragile…to me. It’s like a house of cards that is waiting for the first crack to collapse. I told my biz partner to hunker down for the next couple years. No reason to make any big moves. He agreed. 😰
49   Patrick   2024 Mar 5, 9:18pm  




What is the name of this credit card and is this deal still offered?
50   mell   2024 Mar 5, 9:22pm  

Haven't seen anything below 4% for months now. Many are 5%. The last 3%er supercheck I cashed in mid last year. During the zirp years there were even a few 0%ers. I doubt you can get an offer with less than 4% fee these days
51   Eman   2024 Mar 5, 10:48pm  

Patrick says




What is the name of this credit card and is this deal still offered?

Someone mentioned MBNA. I haven’t gotten a promotion like this for a while. Got it all the time during ZIRP years.

I borrowed the CC money. Put it in our joint account. I took the credit hit. Wife used it for the 25% down payment and financed 75% from the bank. Rented out the condo. Seasoned it for 6 months as required by banks during the GFC. Then did a cash out refinance and paid off both loans. Rinse and repeat. I got 18 rentals in 3.5 years. 6 were with one of the Patnet members. Those were the years.
52   HeadSet   2024 Mar 6, 8:03am  

mell says

Haven't seen anything below 4% for months now. Many are 5%. The last 3%er supercheck I cashed in mid last year. During the zirp years there were even a few 0%ers. I doubt you can get am offer with less than 4% fee these days

A local Credit Union here has made an offer to convert any CDs on hand to a one year 5% with no penalty for early termination of the converted CDs. That is. if I have a 3.5% CD with them that still has months left on the term, they will close it without early termination penalty and put the proceeds into a new one year 5% CD. It would seem like this is a money losing proposition for the Credit Union, unless they see rates going up in the near future.
53   GNL   2024 Mar 6, 8:06am  

HeadSet says

It would seem like this is a money losing proposition for the Credit Union, unless they see rates going up in the near future.

Interesting.
54   Eman   2024 Mar 6, 10:02am  

Got a similar offer from my CU, but it’s only for kids and new accounts. They offered 5.5% interest for the savings. Opened new accounts for our daughter yesterday, and they gave her $50 for opening a savings and $25 for opening the checking. I hope this will encourage her to put the money she has in her savings account. Will find out.


55   AD   2024 Mar 6, 11:39am  

Eman says

Got a similar offer from my CU, but it’s only for kids and new accounts. They offered 5.5% interest for the savings.


Nice Eman. Better than most major brokerages like Fidelity offering 5% for a money market account.

Yeah, teach the daughter about compound interest and time value of money versus fiat currency inflation.

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56   AmericanKulak   2024 Mar 6, 11:51am  

stereotomy says


College used to be a two-fer for guys - get a marketable degree, and wallow in "high quality" coed pussy until you got it out of your system. Nowadays, no pussy, bullshit majors. Yeah, with trades you just get the occasional MILF or random cold approach, unless family business dynamics can elevate your SMV status (e.g. courting the boss's daughter with his permission).

Agreed. Sad thing is that woman are like "I doan wan' no dusty man", when a 35 year old "Dusty Man" is probably making $100k or much more if he has a few years of his own business. Vehicles, Tools, etc. all write offs. In non-California money. More if CA.

stereotomy says


I previously told my son this (he's 15) a few years ago. I think it worked like reverse psychology - now he's busting his ass to get good enough grades for college. Go figure.


Mine is only 10, but once he found out a locksmith gets $60 just to show up, he now prices it out as a video game. Got him a locksmith practice kit, he's getting good with the low end masterlocks. Gonna do some door replacements and he's going to be installing the levers himself. Practice makes perfect. They have apps now for licensed locksmiths to do lockouts on the newer cars. You pay a monthly fee & a few bucks per car, and it auto unlocks the vehicle from your smartphone. Still $60 to show up and (bare minimum) $80 to unlock the car!
57   mell   2024 Mar 6, 12:26pm  

HeadSet says


mell says


Haven't seen anything below 4% for months now. Many are 5%. The last 3%er supercheck I cashed in mid last year. During the zirp years there were even a few 0%ers. I doubt you can get am offer with less than 4% fee these days

A local Credit Union here has made an offer to convert any CDs on hand to a one year 5% with no penalty for early termination of the converted CDs. That is. if I have a 3.5% CD with them that still has months left on the term, they will close it without early termination penalty and put the proceeds into a new one year 5% CD. It would seem like this is a money losing proposition for the Credit Union, unless they see rates going up in the near future.


Wondering what the terms of touching the money are. If they can use the money as long as it is in your CD with interest at maturity they will benefit from a higher (sweep) cash position. But no expert in this, never took a CD, I just put my money into my stock trading. Been averaging ~20-30% yearly for the past decade, so sticking with it. Requires daytrading though in addition to buy and hold and is easily a 2nd (part time) job, so there are always tradeoffs.
58   HeadSet   2024 Mar 6, 12:59pm  

mell says

If they can use the money as long as it is in your CD with interest at maturity they will benefit from a higher (sweep) cash position.

The interest is paid monthly but there are penalties for withdrawing before the one year term is up.
60   Eman   2024 Mar 6, 8:32pm  

There’s a $10k cap on the savings account @ 5.5% interest.


61   Eman   2024 Mar 8, 6:39pm  

Came across this picture on X. It definitely belongs in this thread.


63   Patrick   2024 Mar 9, 9:06pm  

That worked for me.

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