Confronting Shoplifters Ban passed by CA Senate
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2023 Jun 7, 9:12pm 8,476 views 97 comments
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jun 14, 10:37am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Jun 14, 10:37am
In the case of a publicly traded company, you're stealing from the stock holders, because there is no "owner" per se. You are also stealing from the people who patronize the store though, because like you said, endgame for a franchise is to shut down the location, which hurts the patrons, and the people in the community who depend on the store for employment.
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zzyzzx
2023 Jun 14, 11:58am
zzyzzx
2023 Jun 14, 11:58am
BigSky says
Fixed:
As an extreme example to make the point, a store that had half its sodas stolen cannot just double the prices of the remaining half to make up the difference as the customers in California will steal it instead.
As an extreme example to make the point, a store that had half its sodas stolen cannot just double the prices of the remaining half to make up the difference as the customers will go elsewhere.
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As an extreme example to make the point, a store that had half its sodas stolen cannot just double the prices of the remaining half to make up the difference as the customers in California will steal it instead.
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BigSky
2023 Jun 14, 12:23pm
NuttBoxer says
Correct, and I assume you are implying that the loss from theft is spread out among the thousands of "owners" as to be below anyone's level of concern. However, local corporate owned stores still have local managers, and those managers are evaluated on profits and seepage. True, thieves do not impact the corporate manager's immediate bottom line as in the case of local ownership, but the manager's long term career can be damaged. This is why even cooperate managers consider shoplifters, under-ringers, and embezzlers as stealing from them personally.
In the case of a publicly traded company, you're stealing from the stock holders, because there is no "owner" per se
Correct, and I assume you are implying that the loss from theft is spread out among the thousands of "owners" as to be below anyone's level of concern. However, local corporate owned stores still have local managers, and those managers are evaluated on profits and seepage. True, thieves do not impact the corporate manager's immediate bottom line as in the case of local ownership, but the manager's long term career can be damaged. This is why even cooperate managers consider shoplifters, under-ringers, and embezzlers as stealing from them personally.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 14, 8:21pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 14, 8:21pm
WookieMan says
Well, next time you see him, THANK him. Make certain he knows.
I don't believe you.
WookieMan says
I haven't commuted any.
I just find you to be distasteful. I don't hang out with pedophiles in power. You do.
What in the flying fuck are you talking about?? I get free gas the boss KNOWS about.
Well, next time you see him, THANK him. Make certain he knows.
I don't believe you.
WookieMan says
Sorry I have perks in life I guess. I'm faithful and commit ZERO crimes. You've committed more crimes against humanity than I have.
I haven't commuted any.
I just find you to be distasteful. I don't hang out with pedophiles in power. You do.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 14, 8:30pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 14, 8:30pm
HeadSet says
Look, this really was a utopia once. What's ruined it is that the people with ethics are gone.
When intelligence infiltrated us, we watched it happen and I knew it would destroy us, and not you us, YOU. Nest had a fucking microphone in it, it's for controlling the environment in your home. Why would it have a microphone? Why does Ring record video off site? Why isn't email encrypted by default? Why are there all these vulnerabilities on smart phones? Why do chips that are ENTIRELY different processors have the same exact bugs to gain internal access? How did a fake update for windows get signed with an invalid certificate and still get installed? Why isn't software signed so it cannot run unless it passes a certificate?
We can completely eliminate viruses, trivially. Did you know that? Email has been encryptable since the 1990's. Why don't people have the ability to sign their messages to verify that they aren't modified by somebody? Why was Dissenter taken down? That was a plugin that allowed you to comment on ANY website, any URL - why was that killed?
There's a surveillance state being setup, and we saw it being setup, but nobody believed us. Well, here is it, and it will destroy Silicon Valley, once people realize that we can't be trusted.
Maybe utopia for you is where you are at so you can watch it BUUUUURN. After that, move to a beautiful place like Shenandoah and remote work.
Look, this really was a utopia once. What's ruined it is that the people with ethics are gone.
When intelligence infiltrated us, we watched it happen and I knew it would destroy us, and not you us, YOU. Nest had a fucking microphone in it, it's for controlling the environment in your home. Why would it have a microphone? Why does Ring record video off site? Why isn't email encrypted by default? Why are there all these vulnerabilities on smart phones? Why do chips that are ENTIRELY different processors have the same exact bugs to gain internal access? How did a fake update for windows get signed with an invalid certificate and still get installed? Why isn't software signed so it cannot run unless it passes a certificate?
We can completely eliminate viruses, trivially. Did you know that? Email has been encryptable since the 1990's. Why don't people have the ability to sign their messages to verify that they aren't modified by somebody? Why was Dissenter taken down? That was a plugin that allowed you to comment on ANY website, any URL - why was that killed?
There's a surveillance state being setup, and we saw it being setup, but nobody believed us. Well, here is it, and it will destroy Silicon Valley, once people realize that we can't be trusted.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 14, 8:32pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 14, 8:32pm
BigSky says
I agree, but the result of closing down a store is decreasing availability that will drive prices up. Trust me, Walgreens isn't going to just eat the loss and it's not like JUST Walgreens is getting their merchandise stolen. Walmart, Walgreens, CVS - they are all in the same boat. They will just increase costs.
I must politely interject here. When one steals or pilfers from a proprietorship or a franchise you are stealing from the owner, same as if you picked his pocket. Prices are determined by the market - if you raise prices you will lose sales. As an extreme example to make the point, a store that had half its sodas stolen cannot just double the prices of the remaining half to make up the difference as the customers will go elsewhere. How about a gas station that had its tanks pumped by a midnight thief, or had excessive drive-offs, think they can just raise prices? The owner eats the loss. Even a firms like Walmart or Walgreens cannot raise process to cover theft - they will just shut down stores in areas where theft eats too much into profits.
I agree, but the result of closing down a store is decreasing availability that will drive prices up. Trust me, Walgreens isn't going to just eat the loss and it's not like JUST Walgreens is getting their merchandise stolen. Walmart, Walgreens, CVS - they are all in the same boat. They will just increase costs.
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 15, 4:12am
WookieMan
2023 Jun 15, 4:12am
richwicks says
Seriously? You work in tech. You seriously must be joking? Everything you hate you have a hand in it if you did anything to advance it. You helped create platforms for pedophiles, porn, social media, news, etc. Do you think we'd have LGTQ+ or whatever without the internet? Kids thinking they're girls when they're boys? Places for people to post stuff about, trading ideas on their next victim? You had a hand in that whether you believe it or not.
Everything you complain about here is because of tech and the internet. You are your own worst enemy I just don't think you know it. Don't throw shade at me because I know someone. You have caused far more harm to humanity by a long shot than I have and I was in real estate at one point, so that's saying a lot.
You are a know it all that just complains about 3-4 things every comment. Example: richwicks says
No one even asked a question about that.... You don't get sarcasm from other users here either, and what the hell does computer viruses have to do with watching CA buuuuurnn? If you're not fixing it, just leave and stop whining about it. Pretty simple.
I haven't commuted any.
I just find you to be distasteful. I don't hang out with pedophiles in power. You do.
Seriously? You work in tech. You seriously must be joking? Everything you hate you have a hand in it if you did anything to advance it. You helped create platforms for pedophiles, porn, social media, news, etc. Do you think we'd have LGTQ+ or whatever without the internet? Kids thinking they're girls when they're boys? Places for people to post stuff about, trading ideas on their next victim? You had a hand in that whether you believe it or not.
Everything you complain about here is because of tech and the internet. You are your own worst enemy I just don't think you know it. Don't throw shade at me because I know someone. You have caused far more harm to humanity by a long shot than I have and I was in real estate at one point, so that's saying a lot.
You are a know it all that just complains about 3-4 things every comment. Example: richwicks says
We can completely eliminate viruses, trivially. Did you know that?
No one even asked a question about that.... You don't get sarcasm from other users here either, and what the hell does computer viruses have to do with watching CA buuuuurnn? If you're not fixing it, just leave and stop whining about it. Pretty simple.
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Onvacation
2023 Jun 22, 9:24am
Onvacation
2023 Jun 22, 9:24am
Shopping with a blow torch
https://twitter.com/ClownWorld/status/1671873834134433794
https://twitter.com/ClownWorld/status/1671873834134433794
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2023 Jun 22, 9:27am
Onvacation says
brb driving to california to do some shopping. looks fun
Shopping with a blow torch
https://twitter.com/ClownWorld/status/1671873834134433794
brb driving to california to do some shopping. looks fun
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AD
2024 Mar 14, 12:43am
AD
2024 Mar 14, 12:43am
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/13/investing/family-dollar-dollar-tree-closing-stores
Read the above about 1000 Dollar Tree stores being shut down.
This is major news and its about the socieoeconmic themes stated on Patrick.net.
CNN actually reports in the article about rampant theft at these stores.
Keep in mind CNN had the fortitude to publish this during an election year with a Democrat in the White House.
So that tells me CNN even is observing major economic failures.
These type of stories continue to become commonplace and are contrast to Eman's California economic prosperity narrative.
One thing is I do see federal tax increases on the near horizon which will impact Eman. That have to raise taxes if they do not cut the rate of spending increases
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/13/investing/family-dollar-dollar-tree-closing-stores
Read the above about 1000 Dollar Tree stores being shut down.
This is major news and its about the socieoeconmic themes stated on Patrick.net.
CNN actually reports in the article about rampant theft at these stores.
Keep in mind CNN had the fortitude to publish this during an election year with a Democrat in the White House.
So that tells me CNN even is observing major economic failures.
These type of stories continue to become commonplace and are contrast to Eman's California economic prosperity narrative.
One thing is I do see federal tax increases on the near horizon which will impact Eman. That have to raise taxes if they do not cut the rate of spending increases
.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Mar 14, 10:12am
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Mar 14, 10:12am
AD says
You mean his Let them drive Teslas Queen Antoinette narrative.
contrast to Eman's California economic prosperity narrative.
You mean his Let them drive Teslas Queen Antoinette narrative.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Mar 14, 10:16am
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Mar 14, 10:16am
AD says
They will simply allow the Trump tax cuts to expire.
Taxes will go up for the middle class in states that still have middle class, while making California coasties richer because the full SALT deduction will be restored.
One thing is I do see federal tax increases on the near horizon which will impact Eman.
They will simply allow the Trump tax cuts to expire.
Taxes will go up for the middle class in states that still have middle class, while making California coasties richer because the full SALT deduction will be restored.
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AmericanKulak
2024 Mar 14, 10:40am
AmericanKulak
2024 Mar 14, 10:40am
AD says
Wow, that's wild. But it looks like it's the Family Dollar stores, not Dollar Tree, though the latter is the controlling corporation.
From Article:
If you're going to shoplift, Family Dollar seems like low on the totem pole.
I was told by staff that Dollar Trees are becoming Super Dollar Trees with expanded grocery and clothing offerings. They have boxed milk which is terrific at $1.25 and lasts for months if not years unopened.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/13/investing/family-dollar-dollar-tree-closing-stores
Read the above about 1000 Dollar Tree stores being shut down.
Wow, that's wild. But it looks like it's the Family Dollar stores, not Dollar Tree, though the latter is the controlling corporation.
From Article:
Family Dollar will close 600 locations this year and 370 stores over the next several years as store leases expire.
If you're going to shoplift, Family Dollar seems like low on the totem pole.
I was told by staff that Dollar Trees are becoming Super Dollar Trees with expanded grocery and clothing offerings. They have boxed milk which is terrific at $1.25 and lasts for months if not years unopened.
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AD
2024 Mar 14, 12:04pm
AD
2024 Mar 14, 12:04pm
AmericanKulak says
yeah the Dollar Tree across from Walmart Front Beach Rd in Panama City Beach has a bunch of refrigerated and frozen sections, and has that boxed milk also on its shelves
the Dollar General which is like every 1 mile in Panama City Beach and Panama City now have stores which have been set up as mini grocery stores, I walked in recently to the Dollar General on Thomas Drive and there is a section for fruits and vegetables on the left
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I was told by staff that Dollar Trees are becoming Super Dollar Trees with expanded grocery and clothing offerings. They have boxed milk which is terrific at $1.25 and lasts for months if not years unopened.
yeah the Dollar Tree across from Walmart Front Beach Rd in Panama City Beach has a bunch of refrigerated and frozen sections, and has that boxed milk also on its shelves
the Dollar General which is like every 1 mile in Panama City Beach and Panama City now have stores which have been set up as mini grocery stores, I walked in recently to the Dollar General on Thomas Drive and there is a section for fruits and vegetables on the left
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komputodo
2024 Apr 11, 6:16pm
komputodo
2024 Apr 11, 6:16pm
Karloff says
to keep white folks from stealing.
RayAmerica says
The stated policy of management was to "let them go and do not confront them."
What is the point of checking receipts at the door then? Just to keep track of how many people stole things?
to keep white folks from stealing.
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WookieMan
2024 Apr 12, 2:48pm
WookieMan
2024 Apr 12, 2:48pm
komputodo says
Lol. Yeah, if you got anyone just thinking they can walk out with goods and need a receipt to exit, you opened a store in the wrong fucking place.
These stores are moving to more rural areas the last decade anyway. Between theft and land value, it's not profitable in urban areas. You can put them in a small town at probably 70% less for real estate taxes and building cost. So it stays an actual dollar story or whatever companies are out there.
Karloff says
RayAmerica says
The stated policy of management was to "let them go and do not confront them."
What is the point of checking receipts at the door then? Just to keep track of how many people stole things?
to keep white folks from stealing.
Lol. Yeah, if you got anyone just thinking they can walk out with goods and need a receipt to exit, you opened a store in the wrong fucking place.
These stores are moving to more rural areas the last decade anyway. Between theft and land value, it's not profitable in urban areas. You can put them in a small town at probably 70% less for real estate taxes and building cost. So it stays an actual dollar story or whatever companies are out there.
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SB 553, introduced by Silicon Valley’s State Sen. Dave Cortese (D-Cupertino), is described as a bill to prevent and monitor “workplace violence.” But it also includes a provision that “every employer shall establish, implement, and maintain, at all times in all of the employer’s facilities, a workplace violence prevention plan for purposes of protecting employees and other personnel from aggressive and violent behavior at the workplace” that “shall include … [p]rovisions prohibiting the employer from maintaining policies that require employees to confront active shooters or suspected shoplifters.”
As San Francisco Bay Area Fox affiliate KTVU reported, retail associations are furious, believing that the bill will tell potential thieves that they can steal goods at will:
[O]ver 50 organizations, including the California Retailers Association, (CRA) don’t support the bill.
“This bill goes way too far, number one, where I think it will open the doors even wider for people to come in and steal from our stores.”
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The CRA says if SB 553 becomes law, it will need to apply to all industries and not just retail. They also say most retailers already prohibit regular employees from approaching anyone about stolen merchandise and have some employees who are trained in theft prevention.
“It says no employee can approach someone who is shoplifting. So even if someone is trained on how to deter someone from doing that, now they’re not allowed to approach someone. So, what does that mean? We are opening up the door to allow people to walk into stores, steal and walk out,” Michelin said.
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/06/07/california-senate-passes-bill-preventing-employers-from-requiring-staff-to-stop-shoplifters/