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Patrick in Poland


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2023 Jul 14, 7:52pm   15,046 views  154 comments

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I'm in Poland, visiting my grandmother's village of Tuliszków and a lot of relatives I have here. I was last here in college in 1988, 35 years ago.

It's dramatically more prosperous now that it's not communist.

No sign at all of the war. Relatives said they see some Ukrainian refugees, and some are quite rich, not what you think of as refugees.

Any questions you want me to ask my relatives?


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1   richwicks   2023 Jul 14, 7:59pm  

Patrick says

Any questions you want me to ask my relatives?


What's their opinion on Lech Wałęsa? Are they aware the US overthrew Ukraine in 2014?
2   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2023 Jul 14, 8:06pm  

I visited E Germany on 1987.

Kinda indescribable. Semi-third world but not really.
3   RayAmerica   2023 Jul 14, 8:30pm  

Patrick,

Here are several questions:

1. How do they feel about America's proxy war with Russia via Ukraine? Are the Polish people willing to fight in a world war in order to defend Ukraine?

2. Do they sense that America's prestige and power in the world is diminishing?

3. What are their thoughts on the LGBTQ agenda? Do they believe, as Joe Biden has said, that "8 year old children that decide to transition should have our support?" If not, why not?

4. Do they believe that NATO would win a conventional, WW II style war against Russia?

5. What is their opinion of Putin? What is their opinion of Viktor Orban of Hungary?

6. Do they support the EU's open border policies?
4   REpro   2023 Jul 14, 8:33pm  

I visited Poland last summer for a full month. Had a great time. Visited some new places. Allowed a family from Ukraine to stay in my house for a few months.
5   steverbeaver   2023 Jul 14, 9:11pm  

I need recipe for exemplary (good) Polish dish that I can make here, and advisement on best Polish beer that I may find stateside. Have a nice trip!
6   yawaraf   2023 Jul 14, 9:59pm  

Patrick, you researching our questions for is great. Thanks! Here are mine:

What is their opinion of the European Union? Do they want Poland to be integrated in the European state? Are there any areas where they trust the EU more than their own government? Are there any downsides to Poland being a member of the EU?

What are the economic possibilities in Tuliszków? How are the demographics there?

Do any people consider life was better during communism?

What are the gender specific roles/duties of husband and wife?

What do they think of children born out of wedlock?
7   The_Deplorable   2023 Jul 14, 10:01pm  

Patrick says
"Any questions you want me to ask my relatives?"

Do they have a Globalist government - like the one we have in the USA - that supports Ukraine in the war against Russia while the Polish people are ignored and oppose such war?
8   richwicks   2023 Jul 14, 10:44pm  

I can't imagine Patrick can be this open in questioning.

You can't even do this in the United States.

People have been trained to repeat the narrative, OR they can't think well enough to think outside of the narrative. I know this being in Silly Con Valley, having people tell me to put on my mask, by PhD's who apparently have forgotten all their biology and can't read a mask package that says the mask doesn't prevent transmission of viral diseases.

The only place you can have an open discussion is on the internet, where it's entirely anonymous, and there can be no blowback.
9   AmericanKulak   2023 Jul 14, 10:49pm  

Give my regards to Witold Pilecki, a real life Rambo, if you happen to hit Warsaw: it's Powaski Cemetary. I can't believe somebody hasn't made a movie about him.

I've only ever been to the Airport, on Lot Airlines, back in the mid 90s, for a transfer. But it was already very modernized.

I'm curious as to what they think about the EU and if it should go back to being a free trade zone and not try to be a Superstate?
10   🎂 Ceffer   2023 Jul 14, 10:51pm  

Do they blindly hate Russia and Putin against all reason? It seems they have as much reason to hate Germany from history.
Do they think they will be annexing a portion of Ukraine eventually?
11   REpro   2023 Jul 14, 11:50pm  

Polish Beer:
In Poland you can find 100's of different beer domestic and imported.
Traditionally the most awarded Polish beer is Zywiec and Okocim.
My favorite is Okocim Porter. Available in BevMo.





12   Tenpoundbass   2023 Jul 15, 6:43am  

Patrick says

Any questions you want me to ask my relatives?


Could you assemble the village together and have them demonstrate their lightbulb changing method.
13   Booger   2023 Jul 15, 7:46am  

Ask if they will annex the rest of East Prussia after Russia loses the war and they are forced to return to Russia proper.
14   Booger   2023 Jul 15, 7:47am  

How hot is it there now?
15   porkchopXpress   2023 Jul 15, 7:49am  

Do they know any good Polish jokes?
16   Booger   2023 Jul 15, 8:19am  

Make sure that you warn them about blacks!
17   komputodo   2023 Jul 15, 2:04pm  

REpro says


Polish Beer:Traditionally the most awarded Polish beer is Zywiec and Okocim.

Did they steal those names from an optometrist's eye chart?
18   komputodo   2023 Jul 15, 2:07pm  

Is Rob Reiner: Michael 'Meathead' Stivic famous over there?
19   SoTex   2023 Jul 15, 3:44pm  

If you run into any Shukeats tell them their distant cousin in Texas says hi!
21   stereotomy   2023 Jul 15, 4:43pm  

Try to learn (and later translate) the most bawdy polkas, along the lines of "I don't want her, you can have her, she's too fat for me." If you can get the sheet music (at least the chord charts) or a crappy recording, I can whip up a keyboard accompaniment that you can use for the (un)official anthem of PatNet. It's the least I could do for exposing me to (RIP) iTulip.
22   BayArea   2023 Jul 15, 10:31pm  

I hope you have time to visit Gdańsk and Krokow (check out the salt mines as they are out of this world).

I was born in Gdańsk, left in 1984. Haven’t been back to Poland since 2017 when a grandparent passed but very much due back for a trip.

Drink plenty of Zywiec.
23   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2023 Jul 15, 10:33pm  

REpro says

My favorite is Okocim Porter. Available in BevMo.


How does it compare to Guiness?
24   REpro   2023 Jul 15, 10:41pm  

Trollhole says

REpro says


My favorite is Okocim Porter. Available in BevMo.


How does it compare to Guiness?

There is noticeable difference. I like Guiness too, but Porter is smoother, stronger and heavier.
25   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 12:35am  

Sorry for the delay in answering. Continuous family events.

Some answers:

It's pretty hot, in the 90s.

The love the EU for giving them new highways and other infrastructure.

They like Lech Walensa and pope John Paul II.

They do not like Putin, saying he's an egotist who is trying to be a great historical figure when he is not.

They think gay and trans is a silly fad. One cousin said she has a friend who declared herself lesbian but she doesn't belive her because she had four boyfriends.

There are no openly trans people.

They say men and women are different but women should have a career. I was talking to female cousins though.
26   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 12:39am  

They say they trust the EU more than their own government, which is too close to the Catholic Church.

Some old people say communism was better, but no young people say that.

Economic prospects are good even in small towns now. Lots of building going on. My cousin's husband has a construction company and is doing very well. They have a big beautiful house.
27   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 12:45am  

They don't see any downside to the EU and are happy that they don't need a passport to travel in Europe.

Tuliszków is almost entirety Polish, with just a few foreigners, like the guy who has a kebab shop. Bigger cities have more foreigners, especially Belarusians who come to make money. Some Kazakhs too.

You would not know about the war at all. No trace of it that I can tell, and they don't seem concerned.

Children out of wedlock may not be able to get baptized, but they say there is no particular shame in it since the parents would both be together anyway. Single mothers are apparently not a thing.
28   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 12:53am  

They are for Ukrainian independence, but not eager to fight on their behalf, though some Polish men have gone there to fight on their own.

They are a bit worried that if Poland got involved it could cause a nuclear war.

Gas seems to be about $6 per gallon.

You can feel that it is a country on the upswing. One downside is inflation of 10%.

The highways seem to all be toll roads. Not sure how that happened with EU highway subsidies.

They have pretty much the same stuff as the rest of Europe now. US fast food, Spotify, Mercedes, Tabasco. Salaries are catching up and Poles are moving back to Poland from abroad.

They don't like that foreign Poles get to vote even though they don't live here anymore.
29   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 12:58am  

They have good beer and even micro breweries.

Restaurant prices are similar to in the US, just slightly cheaper.

Smoking and drinking are much less than when I was here 35 years ago. No one offered me vodka yet, unlike last time when it was even served at breakfast.

Food quality is high now.
30   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 12:59am  

komputodo says

Is Rob Reiner: Michael 'Meathead' Stivic famous over there?


No. But they are proud of Polish athletes abroad that I never heard of. A tennis player, a basketball player, soccer players.
31   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 1:00am  

Booger says

Ask if they will annex the rest of East Prussia after Russia loses the war and they are forced to return to Russia proper.


They are happy with current borders and don't want any trouble over them.
32   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 1:04am  

Ceffer says

Do they blindly hate Russia and Putin against all reason? It seems they have as much reason to hate Germany from history.
Do they think they will be annexing a portion of Ukraine eventually?


They definitely don't like Putin, Russia, or Germany. We just visited a WWII prison in Lodz where the Nazis burned it down with >1000 Polish prisoners inside one day before the Russians arrived.

History is much more real here. Some relatives were killed by the Nazis.
33   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 1:06am  

steverbeaver says

I need recipe for exemplary (good) Polish dish that I can make here, and advisement on best Polish beer that I may find stateside. Have a nice trip!


I will try to remember to ask.
34   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 1:09am  

They think Victor Orban is a dictator who controls Hungary via money.

They are certain that NATO would win a conventional war.

Oddly, they think NATO is independent of the US.

They seem unaware that the US is declining in power and economically.
35   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 1:10am  

richwicks says

Are they aware the US overthrew Ukraine in 2014?


No, they had no idea that the US was involved.
36   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 1:18am  

Weed is not a thing. Didn't smell it at all even in Lodz, which is a pretty big city.

No homeless.

No litter, though there are weeds and some graffiti, mostly about rival soccer teams.

They are very pro American and everyone knows someone in Chicago. Many people have been to Chicago.
37   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 1:31am  

We are driving to Krakow now. There are a lot of fields of rye. I thought it was wheat but they assure me it's rye. There are also some cornfields. Lots of birch and pine forests.

I asked about tolls vs EU funding, and they said it's both. The EU funded highways have no tolls. Also, the government is removing tolls, but only because elections are coming up in October.
38   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 1:38am  

They think that the American system of two parties is bad because then policies oscillate. Their own system seems to be proportional representation, so more consistent.

Poland is more traditional and conservative than the US, so the conservative party is dominant, but they do have liberals.

Everyone who could challenge Nazi power was systematically killed during WWII and I think that has ramifications down to the present day. Basically, all intellectuals were eliminated, leaving a more rural and conservative population.
39   Booger   2023 Jul 16, 4:14am  

Patrick says

It's pretty hot, in the 90s.

Any air conditioning?
40   Booger   2023 Jul 16, 4:16am  

Patrick says

Everyone who could challenge Nazi power was systematically killed


Everyone who could challenge Communist power was systematically killed.

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