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Patrick in Poland


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2023 Jul 14, 7:52pm   15,065 views  154 comments

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I'm in Poland, visiting my grandmother's village of Tuliszków and a lot of relatives I have here. I was last here in college in 1988, 35 years ago.

It's dramatically more prosperous now that it's not communist.

No sign at all of the war. Relatives said they see some Ukrainian refugees, and some are quite rich, not what you think of as refugees.

Any questions you want me to ask my relatives?


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109   gabbar   2023 Jul 20, 12:43am  

Trollhole says

India has the best prospects and is geopolitically sitting pretty sweet.


Why? Help me understand this.
110   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 1:21am  

Patrick says

AmericanKulak says


Patrick

Are there White males in commercials?


I will look.


I watched some TV. The majority are white people including white men, but they frequently include blacks and Turks.
111   mell   2023 Jul 20, 5:18am  

The_Deplorable says


This doesn't make sense because unlike Europe, the US sent all their industrial operations - entire factories, the equipment, including the foundation bolts to China.

Agreed. It's irrelevant as GDP alone is mostly worthless without other measures. I say mostly because countries with a reasonably high GDP tend to do better, but it's meaningless once you reach a certain threshold. China is 2nd largest, but certainly way down in quality of life. Same for the US comparison to northern/Middle European countries. GDP per capital is roughly the same, but quality of life in their cities simply beats 80% of US cities. This is true for Switzerland, Germany and parts of Austria for sure, not necessarily sourther or eastern Europe. Demographics are also not really significant as you can sew with Japan, one of the GDP powerhouses and high standard of living. These graphs alone are meaningless.
112   mell   2023 Jul 20, 5:20am  

Trollhole says


Euro zone economy grew JUST 6% over the past 15 years.

US grew 82%.

This is meaningless, clearly you haven't traveled. It doesn't mean the US isn't a great country, but in terms of avg. quality of life it's behind. GDP alone becomes meaningless at some point. With deficit spending it can go infinite. Doesn't translate into better quality of life.

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings.jsp
113   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 5:32am  

Vienna is about twice as expensive as Krakow.

We had a far higher quality hotel in Krakow for about $120 per night, the Grand Ascot:

https://grandascot.pl/en/
114   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2023 Jul 20, 5:59am  

Patrick says

Poland, Austria, Czecia

No Slovakia? Did you do any hiking, perhaps in the Tatras?
115   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2023 Jul 20, 6:00am  

mell says

Doesn't translate into better quality of life.

Spot on. You can have a rising GDP and a declining quality of life, for sure.
116   zzyzzx   2023 Jul 20, 6:22am  

Patrick says


We had a far higher quality hotel in Krakow for about $120 per night, the Grand Ascot:

https://grandascot.pl/en/


I didn't see any mention of parking on their website.
117   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2023 Jul 20, 6:27am  

mell says


This is meaningless, clearly you haven't traveled. deficit spending it can go infinite.


Seems that someone is smoking the same 'quality of life' rationalization crack pipe that the Europeans have engaged in when faced with this ugly reality.

And deficit spending has nothing to do with it, either. Just another canard thrown out by the economically ignorant.

And let's cut through the 'well travelled snobbery' BS (a virtue signalling tactic typical of the Left) by asking the following question:

Tell me, you live in Europe or in America? In other words, do you live in a high GDP economy or a virtually non-existant GDP one?
118   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 7:44am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

No Slovakia? Did you do any hiking, perhaps in the Tatras?


Went through it on the train. No hiking, this is a pretty urban trip, except for visiting my grandmother's village.
119   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 7:45am  

zzyzzx says

I didn't see any mention of parking on their website.


They do have parking, looks like about 10 spots in the basement.
120   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 7:46am  

We're on the way to Prague now.
121   mell   2023 Jul 20, 8:19am  

Trollhole says

mell says



This is meaningless, clearly you haven't traveled. deficit spending it can go infinite.


Seems that someone is smoking the same 'quality of life' rationalization crack pipe that the Europeans have engaged in when faced with this ugly reality.

And deficit spending has nothing to do with it, either. Just another canard thrown out by the economically ignorant.

And let's cut through the 'well travelled snobbery' BS (a virtue signalling tactic typical of the Left) by asking the following question:

Tell me, you live in Europe or in America? In other words, do you live in a high GDP economy or a virtually non-existant GDP one?

I live in both, neither snobbish nor left. I loathe the EU(rocrats) but some of the northern Euroepan countries, Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, parts of Austria are just ahead of the US when it comes to quality of life for families, regardless of the EU. Nonetheless the US is one of the greatest countries of the world. You can see the best of worlds in both continents.
122   stereotomy   2023 Jul 20, 8:53am  

Patrick says


Al_Sharpton_for_President says


No Slovakia? Did you do any hiking, perhaps in the Tatras?


Went through it on the train. No hiking, this is a pretty urban trip, except for visiting my grandmother's village.


You'll like Prague, except for that really ugly brutalist reinforced concrete train tunnel that traverses the valley where the city is. They might have removed it, but it really was a big eyesore.

The old city is cool from a demographical standpoint - all the medieval structures have doorways designed for people no more than 5 ft tall. Make sure you visit the castle on the outskirts, where IIRC it was the seat of Charles IV. The Glockenspiel in the center of town is pretty cool as well.

See if you can find some old Commie money - it was really funny with the gear and the bough of wheat, etc.
123   KgK one   2023 Jul 20, 12:02pm  

No one wanted jews , wow. Curious as why so much hate towards them.
https://youtube.com/shorts/zSmcAKS1sy4?feature=share

Curious if this is real?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digvijaysinhji_Ranjitsinhji_Jadeja

"Good Maharaja's Square" in Warsaw, Poland, was named after Digvijaysinhji Ranjitsinhji in recognition of his help to Polish refugees during World War II
124   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2023 Jul 20, 5:35pm  

KgK one says

No one wanted jews , wow. Curious as why so much hate towards them.
https://youtube.com/shorts/zSmcAKS1sy4?feature=share


They hate the Romi (gypsies), too.
125   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2023 Jul 20, 11:52pm  

The Russian economy outperforming Germany's

https://unherd.com/thepost/russias-economy-is-outperforming-germanys/

But hey! Germain cities are probably soooo much better!
126   Patrick   2023 Jul 21, 2:53am  

Prague old city is well worth visiting. Really beautiful.

Noticed a cute young woman, then I noticed the thick dark hair on her legs :


127   HeadSet   2023 Jul 21, 8:38am  

Patrick says

Noticed a cute young woman, then I noticed the thick dark hair on her legs :

Likely in the armpits, too.
128   RC2006   2023 Jul 21, 8:44am  

HeadSet says

Patrick says


Noticed a cute young woman, then I noticed the thick dark hair on her legs :

Likely in the armpits, too.


Must have a monster bush.
129   AmericanKulak   2023 Jul 21, 8:48am  

Makes me feel like Tarzan in the jungle... whaaa ahha ahha!

Will take a little leg hair over a bull nose ring and purple hair any day of the week. Hippy is safer than Wokie.
130   RWSGFY   2023 Jul 21, 10:08am  

Patrick says

Prague old city is well worth visiting. Really beautiful.

Noticed a cute young woman, then I noticed the thick dark hair on her legs :





On her VERY SHORT legs.
131   RWSGFY   2023 Jul 21, 10:11am  

Trollhole says

The Russian economy outperforming Germany's

https://unherd.com/thepost/russias-economy-is-outperforming-germanys/

But hey! Germain cities are probably soooo much better!


GDP? Yawn. All that spending on re-starting shell production and refurbishing of T-54s and LADAs for the wives of dead cannon fodder and they are still down 2%? Some economic paradise right there!
132   Ceffer   2023 Jul 21, 11:24am  

Patrick says

then I noticed the thick dark hair on her legs :

Have to go spelunking to get past her pelt. Aromatics must cause a swoon.
133   Patrick   2023 Jul 22, 2:12am  

Weather is pleasant, high of 77 today in Prague.

Prague is a party town, lots of drinking, people stay up late. Quite a lot of vomit on the sidewalks in the morning, ugh.

Train station is a little sketchy with obvious gypsies hanging out in front and looking for targets to pickpocket I suppose, but the rest of Prague seems very safe.

Bathrooms are almost all for-pay only, about 1 Euro.

Change is hard to get, both coins and bills. ATM gave us 100 Euro notes in Vienna, but everyone wants smaller bills, and no one wants to break the 100 for you. You can do it at a bank though.

The lack of change has been a problem in Poland, Austria, and Czechia. In Poland, we wanted to store our luggage, but the boxes require coins, and none of the shops in the station will give you coins, not even if you buy something. Well, we checked 3 or 4 shops, and they all said no.
134   mell   2023 Jul 22, 3:01am  

AmericanKulak says

Makes me feel like Tarzan in the jungle... whaaa ahha ahha!

Will take a little leg hair over a bull nose ring and purple hair any day of the week. Hippy is safer than Wokie.

100% agreed. I found hippies mostly pleasant and good in the sack even if not aligned everywhere
135   Patrick   2023 Jul 22, 4:41am  

More thoughts about Prague:

Do not go in the summer. It's wall-to-wall tourists, ourselves included. Pretty maddening after a while that you can never walk in a straight line because there are always people in the way.

Avoid the Chinese shops. There are little convenience stores run by Chinese, but the prices are crazy. A Magnum ice cream bar is $1.50 in a mainstream grocery store here, but $5 or $6 in a Chinese shop.

It used to be shitty under the communists, but you can see that things are far nicer now, lots of recent renovations.

There used to be a massive statue of Stalin on the castle side of the river, on a hill with a great view of the city. Now it's a "beer garden" but that's just a few stands selling beer and a lot of tatted people smoking (including weed) and hanging out. Lots of graffiti up there, but OK, that's the place to be cool.

Saw maybe 10 gay flags, way more than Poland or Austria.

Saw just one woman wearing a mask. She looked like an idiot, which she clearly is if she's still afraid.

Pilsner Urquell is everywhere, and it's distinctly better than the version we get in bottles in the US.

Lots of Spanish tourists.
136   Patrick   2023 Jul 22, 6:16am  

Patrick says

Now it's a "beer garden" but that's just a few stands selling beer and a lot of tatted people smoking (including weed) hanging out


Ah, my wife says there's a better beer garden up on that hill, but we somehow didn't see it.
137   Patrick   2023 Jul 22, 6:17am  

I really like Hotel Hastal in Prague, a small hotel in the center. https://www.hotelhastalprague.com/en/ Very traditional, actual key to door. Was kind of surprised that the maids seem to be young Czech women. In America, hotel maids always seem to be Latina.

If you stay here, get room 22 if you can. Bigger than other rooms, and has a balcony.
138   Patrick   2023 Jul 22, 10:32am  

Graffiti in Krakow:


139   Patrick   2023 Jul 22, 10:34am  

Vienna and Prague have public mist sprayers, which are really nice on a hot day. I thought of a good joke about them:

Q: What is this thing called?
A: It's a mistery!


140   stereotomy   2023 Jul 22, 10:53am  

Patrick says

Pilsner Urquell is everywhere, and it's distinctly better than the version we get in bottles in the US.

Pilsner Urquell, along with Budvar (the original Budweiser) were founded in the city of Pils (Czech) or Pilsen (German) (hence the type of beer). True fact, after the fall of the iron curtain, Budvar wanted to sell internationally, but Budweiser US (which was founded by Budvar back in the day) sued to block them because their name infringed on their trademark.

See, even 30 years ago Budweiser was run by assholes.
141   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jul 22, 5:05pm  

HeadSet says

Patrick says


Noticed a cute young woman, then I noticed the thick dark hair on her legs :

Likely in the armpits, too.


Fuck, cameras that low, and facing lawn areas!?
142   BayArea   2023 Jul 22, 8:58pm  

Very interesting, keep the observations coming
143   WookieMan   2023 Jul 22, 9:46pm  

All this does is make me hate Europe more. I don't care if I'm 3 generations removed from that part of the world. It sounds miserable. My SIL has lived in Germany, Italy, Austria and the UK. They all sound awful from her perspective. Sure there's scenery, but the historic type stuff is just bad in my opinion. Most everything Europe has done over centuries, causes wars.

I suppose a German going to Nebraska might be like WTF is this. But it's at least going to be nicer than Europe.
144   AmericanKulak   2023 Jul 23, 1:16am  

RWSGFY says

On her VERY SHORT legs.

Yeah, now that I look at it, Unless it's a trick of the angle, she is mostly torso. Nice hourglass though.
145   B.A.C.A.H.   2023 Jul 23, 6:44am  

Patrick says

Noticed a cute young woman, then I noticed the thick dark hair on her legs

Patrick says

Saw maybe 10 gay flags, way more than Poland or Austria.

You sure it was a woman?
146   SoTex   2023 Jul 23, 10:46am  

AmericanKulak says

RWSGFY says

On her VERY SHORT legs.

Yeah, now that I look at it, Unless it's a trick of the angle, she is mostly torso. Nice hourglass though.


Looks like she's wearing a potato sack.
147   Patrick   2023 Jul 24, 4:21am  

B.A.C.A.H. says

You sure it was a woman?


Yes, quite cute too. OK, her legs are a bit short and hairy, but she can shave and I don't mind short legs.

just_passing_through says

Looks like she's wearing a potato sack.


But it was also nice and thin and looks like it could just fall off of her.
148   Patrick   2023 Oct 15, 4:37pm  




Hey, that's the Krakow town square. I was just there in July.

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