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Patrick in Poland


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2023 Jul 14, 7:52pm   15,181 views  154 comments

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I'm in Poland, visiting my grandmother's village of Tuliszków and a lot of relatives I have here. I was last here in college in 1988, 35 years ago.

It's dramatically more prosperous now that it's not communist.

No sign at all of the war. Relatives said they see some Ukrainian refugees, and some are quite rich, not what you think of as refugees.

Any questions you want me to ask my relatives?


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55   GNL   2023 Jul 16, 12:46pm  

I bet they have great Sauerkraut.
56   komputodo   2023 Jul 16, 12:46pm  

Tenpoundbass says

Could you assemble the village together and have them demonstrate their lightbulb changing method.

GREATEST COMMENT OF THE YEAR! YOU BROKE THE INTERNET!!
57   komputodo   2023 Jul 16, 12:49pm  

Can they answer the question that has the usa dumbfounded...WHAT IS A WOMAN?
58   komputodo   2023 Jul 16, 12:49pm  

GNL says

I bet they have great Sauerkraut.

sauerkraut and kielbasa...hell yeah
59   REpro   2023 Jul 16, 1:04pm  

Patrick says

We are driving to Krakow now. There are a lot of fields of rye. I thought it was wheat but they assure me it's rye. There are also some cornfields. Lots of birch and pine forests.

I asked about tolls vs EU funding, and they said it's both. The EU funded highways have no tolls. Also, the government is removing tolls, but only because elections are coming up in October.

Maybe you already notice, but Polish bread is made from rye flour also rye is used for vodka production.
The is tendency to get rid from tolls on highways. Eastern part of Poland where highways were built later, don't have tolls.
60   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 1:28pm  

Trollhole says






I have to admit that there are tons of really hot Polish women, far more than I expected. Much better than the US.
61   BayArea   2023 Jul 16, 1:54pm  

Patrick says

Trollhole says







I have to admit that there are tons of really hot Polish women, far more than I expected. Much better than the US.


In a European country full of white people, why did you expect less?
62   komputodo   2023 Jul 16, 2:34pm  

Patrick says

I have to admit that there are tons of really hot Polish women, far more than I expected. Much better than the US.

You have to admit that the usa has set the bar pretty low lately
63   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Jul 16, 4:10pm  

komputodo says

Patrick says


I have to admit that there are tons of really hot Polish women, far more than I expected. Much better than the US.

You have to admit that the usa has set the bar pretty low lately


we struggling with what is a woman ever since that idiotic scotus decision to include gender identity as civil right.
64   The_Deplorable   2023 Jul 16, 4:33pm  

Two Minutes Of Truth, Of Bitter Truth

A great speech by Polish Member of the European Parliament Professor Ryszard Leautko addressing the EU Parliament last November. We need more leaders like Ryszard Leautko. Poland should be proud!

"Two minutes of truth, of bitter truth. And the bitter truth is that the European Parliament has done a lot of damage in Europe (Applause). It has been sending a false message it represents the European demos. There isn't and there won't be any European demos.

The parliament infected Europe with shameless partisanship and the infection became so contagious that it spread to other institutions such as the European Commission. The Parliament has abandoned the basic function of representing people. Instead, it has become a machine to implement the so-called European project, thus alienating millions of voters (Applause).

The Parliament has become a political vehicle of the left to impose their monopoly with their fierce intolerance towards any dissenting view. No matter how many times you repeat the word 'diversity.' Diversity is becoming an extinct species in the European Union and particularly in this chamber (Applause).

The Parliament is a quasi-parliament because it rejects the essential principle of parliamentarism, namely accountability. The deputy - let me remind you - is elected by the voters and must be accountable to the voters that elected him. Not so in the European Union. The idea that say, Spanish, German, French etc, deputies accountable to their own national electorates can dictate something to shall we say, Hungarian society or any other society to which they cannot beheld accountable and which cannot take them to task is simply preposterous (Applause).

Call it what you will, but democracy, it is not. To sum up the Parliament represents the demos that does not exist,
works for the project that ignores reality and law, shuns accountability, turns its back on millions of people and serves the interest of one political orientation. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Having said that, ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case (Applause).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-CSrNUWMr0
65   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2023 Jul 16, 6:59pm  

mell says


That's not true. Standard of living in many German, Swiss or Austrian cities is magnitudes better than in the US.


Sorry pal.

But, these countries are all in the beginning throes of acute demographic collapse. And they are all export model economies, which is going bye-bye because of de-globalization even w/o the acute demographic collapse that is going to kill them anyway.

US is not facing demographic collapse. Demographic hardship, yes. For about 15 years.
After that, the Boomers die off and the Millennials enter their peak earning years. Europe and Asia do not have anything like the Millennials demographically.

North America is also secure and can be energy independent. Europe and Asia can not.

Doesn't matter what you think of their cities. In less than 10 years from now, they will be like Detroit & Baltimore..or California at best, in the good parts.
66   GNL   2023 Jul 16, 9:14pm  

Patrick says

I have to admit that there are tons of really hot Polish women

You lucky bastard. Send some nudes.
67   AmericanKulak   2023 Jul 16, 9:30pm  

mell says

Poland is doing quite well, btw., so is eastern Germany. Hungary, you name it. The US hasn't lost yet, but the next one or two elections will be crucial. There's still time.

Agreed.

I get a deep sense of "Exhaustion" from Woke BS.

I also think COVID really reset everybody's brains about health, and people are more skeptical of "Shoot it up, pop the pill in mouth, and go back to sitting and shoveling in the food" healthcare.
68   Ceffer   2023 Jul 16, 10:18pm  

Thanks Patrick for 'boots on the ground', very interesting.
69   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 10:27pm  

More thoughts from Poland:

Krakow is a really beautiful city, well worth visiting. Yesterday we saw the Wawel, which is the castle and former capital of Poland before the merger with Lithuania, when they moved the capital to Warsaw. Then we had dinner in the town square, which is the nicest town square I've seen anywhere in Europe or the world.

Now I'm finally seeing foreigners like Indians, Arabs (in full garb), and some blacks, but I think they are all tourists. Our cab driver was Polish, unlike in America, where every cab driver seems to be foreign.

I asked the more about Ukraine. They are definitely on the side of Ukraine, but think that America is trying to get Ukrainian gas and oil. This never occurred to me. I said I thought the war was promoted by US weapons makers because most of US "aid" to Ukraine is really payments to Raytheon, Lockheed, etc. They had not thought of that.

They pointed out several big new SUV's with Ukrainian license plates. Who are these "refugees" with $50,000 cars?

There was a Ukrainian demonstration in the town square:


70   AmericanKulak   2023 Jul 16, 10:36pm  

Patrick says

They pointed out several big new SUV's with Ukrainian license plates. Who are these "refugees" with $50,000 cars?

IT outsourcing chiefs and people who made warbucks and intelbucks, I would guess. I bet they're very patriotic away from the warzone.
71   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 10:47pm  

BayArea says

Patrick: Tell us about communication.

I found that in the bigger cities, English is common.

What about the small village where your grandmother is from?

I’m fluent and can communicate in either language but think in English.


Yes, English is everywhere now, where it was completely absent 35 years ago.

In my grandmother's village, people try to speak English to me, but not many are fluent.

It's kind of funny how I've had people just start talking to me in Polish, assuming I am Polish, but others spoke English assuming I'm a tourist. I heard one group of tourists speaking American English and asked where they are from. South Carolina. They asked about me and I said I was from Chicago, but visiting relatives I have here. Then I heard one of them say to another, "That one grew up in Chicago!" Lol.
72   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 10:55pm  

steverbeaver says


I need recipe for exemplary (good) Polish dish that I can make here, and advisement on best Polish beer that I may find stateside. Have a nice trip!


@steverbeaver The classic dish (which my grandmother also made) is Gołąbki (sounds like golompki):



I've had it twice already, and just been here 3 days.

My cousin's husband says the best exported beer is Żywiec:


73   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 11:03pm  

WookieMan says

I know Eastern Europeans in general liked to drink, didn't realize that they might have it at breakfast. Hard stuff too? That's insane.


That was 35 years ago, and I suspect it was intended to reduce the hangover the assumed I must have had from my welcome party the night before.
74   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 11:06pm  

Booger says

Patrick says


some graffiti,


What % of the graffiti is in English?


@Booger I saw just a few instances of graffiti in English. One was "Fuck Putin".
75   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 11:07pm  

Booger says

Patrick says


It's pretty hot, in the 90s.

Any air conditioning?


Yes, my cousin had it in her house, and they have it in the hotel I'm in now.

The tour of the Wawel did not have it, so that was pretty hard, being about 92 degrees with high humidity.
76   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 11:08pm  

BayArea says

I hope you have time to visit Gdańsk and Krokow (check out the salt mines as they are out of this world).


We are going to see the salt mines today.
77   mell   2023 Jul 17, 5:53am  

Trollhole says


US is not facing demographic collapse. Demographic hardship, yes. For about 15 years.
After that, the Boomers die off and the Millennials enter their peak earning years. Europe and Asia do not have anything like the Millennials demographically.

European countries actually started putting the brakes on mass immigration because a nation of young troublemakers is worse than a shrinking one. Many millenials and immigrants in the US (not all) are a net burden. Go to Luzern, Vienna, Zurich, or most German cities and you know what advanced standard of living for families is (UK, France, Spain etc. not so much). The US has very nice pockets, potentially nicer if you are wealthy, but on avg. it has fallen behind. Only a change in politics can reverse that. Even Japan as the eternally "dying nation" is doing remarkably well (standard of living among the highest) cause it's close to impossible to immigrate and woke is not existent.
78   RWSGFY   2023 Jul 17, 6:13am  

Soo, Pat, if your country was invaded by genocidal fucks, would you send your wife across the border in the $50K car you had at the moment or you'd stop at some lot to exchange it for a beat-up 30 y.o. Corolla? I mean, only poor people can flee the invading hordes, so one must pretend to be poor, right?Or what exactly thar car comment was implying?
79   Patrick   2023 Jul 17, 6:59am  

I mean that the refugees here do not seem particularly desperate.

Btw, one reason Krakow has so many beautiful young women is that there are many universities here. I didn't know that earlier.

Polish people also seem to use a lot more perfume and cologne than Americans.
80   RWSGFY   2023 Jul 17, 7:16am  

Patrick says

I mean that the refugees here do not seem particularly desperate.



You are used to
seeing economical migrants here in the US claiming they are "refugees". If people are not economical migrants but are fleeing an actual hot war, why should they all seem to be desperate? Some surely are, but affluent people flee from wars too. It's not like Soviet bombs can tell rich from poor and spare the former...
81   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jul 17, 8:25am  

War is always used as an opportunity to go after people who were not with the ones in power. Wouldn't be surprised if the anti-Zelensky faction left early. But really anyone with money who wasn't in on the grift.
82   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jul 17, 8:26am  

What's the primary style of beer in Poland? Or the most popular?
83   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 12:33am  

It seems like lagers are very popular.

But I've been here on only a few days so I don't really know.
84   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 12:35am  

GNL says

Patrick says


I have to admit that there are tons of really hot Polish women

You lucky bastard. Send some nudes.


A lot of them do not wear bras. It's hard not to look, but I'm with my wife so I try not to.
85   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 12:38am  

Booger says


Patrick says


Everyone who could challenge Nazi power was systematically killed


Everyone who could challenge Communist power was systematically killed.



You are right. Them too.

Everyone here is aware that the Russians killed all the officers in the Polish army, the massacre at Katyn. 25,000 people.

And no one was ever held to account.
86   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 2:40am  

Traffic is horrible in Krakow, even in the middle of the day. Don't bother trying to drive anywhere.

Nowhere to park either.
87   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 3:00am  

I just saw a gay flag, first one.
88   richwicks   2023 Jul 18, 4:33am  

Patrick says

You are right. Them too.

Everyone here is aware that the Russians killed all the officers in the Polish army, the massacre at Katyn. 25,000 people.

And no one was ever held to account.


Every country engages in war crimes.

How many people killed in Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Neither city had any military value.
89   gabbar   2023 Jul 18, 4:50am  

My family oriented aunt is Polish. She is married to my uncle, who is a surgeon and an asshole with regard to how he treats his family members. Tell your relatives that we are proud of their immigration officials.
90   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 5:50am  

I just saw someone wearing a mask.

Just one person, no one else among all the people in Krakow.
91   BayArea   2023 Jul 18, 6:02am  

From my experience, lager would be the most common beer type.

12oz portions are also laughable there.
92   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jul 18, 7:48am  

It could be seasonal though. Lagers are great summer beers. Winter I'd bet on something stronger and darker.
93   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2023 Jul 19, 10:13am  

mell says

That's not true. Standard of living in many German, Swiss or Austrian cities is magnitudes better than in the US. These are not exceptions, they are becoming the norm. Asia is not far behind and will overtake the US if its stays on the given path. I agree that esp. European nations do aid to their own downfall with unfettered mass immigration etc, but the US is currently declining faster under xiden, no doubt about it, esp. since leftoids have taken a foothold in most big cities and the still nice touristy rural areas. If you are single maybe the US still wins out, but if you're raising a family it's far behind already.


Meanwhile, on Planet Reality:

Euro zone economy grew JUST 6% over the past 15 years.

US grew 82%.

By 2035, the gap between the US and EU will be as large as that between Japan and Ecuador is today.

But hey! I am sure Ecuador has some nice cities too.


94   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Jul 19, 11:51am  

That will happen when you attempt to print your way out of a recession... But the Euro is doing no better, as in Europe the bailouts are by country, not bank..

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