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In Nazi times, Jews denied being a distinct race. 23andme proves that Jews are actually much closer genetically than any race is.


               
2023 Aug 13, 1:04pm   719 views  8 comments

by Patrick   follow (60)  

I'm a quarter Jewish by ethnicity (maternal grandfather) but almost all of my "relatives" on 23andme are Jewish. How can this be?

The answer is that Ashkenazi (European) Jews are all descended from a fairly small group of Jewish merchants (about 300 people) who moved north from Italy to Germany in about 900 AD, and later into Eastern Europe. The numbers and dates are not certain, but it's something like that. They married some European women at first, but closed things off after that. You can see evidence of these European women in mitochondrial DNA of modern Jews.

Those 300 people have literally millions of descendants now, and most of them are close to 100% descended from that initial group, which made a point of intermarrying only among themselves. You can see this in that almost every Ashkenazi Jew on 23and me is classified as almost 100% Jewish.

Before and during WWII, and even now, Jews were anxious to say that they are not a particular race:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-racism


The Nazis tried to use science to prove their racial theories. They recruited doctors and other scientists to help them. These officials tried to categorize people into races. They measured and described people’s physical features, like noses, skulls, eyes, and hair.

These attempts at categorization failed to prove Nazi racial theories. In fact, their efforts revealed that human beings could not be scientifically categorized into races. Humankind is simply too naturally diverse.


23andme proves that the above claim is definitely false, even though it's still being repeated on sites like that one. Jews are actually even closer genetically to each other than any race is, and race is also definitely real and provable genetically. To call Jews a "race" is to understate the extremely close genetic relation among Jews. Traditionally, Jews even recognized this relationship with a saying in Yiddish: "Alle yiden seyn mishpochim." Meaning "All Jews are family." That was not a metaphor and everyone knew it.

The Nazis could have very easily proved who was and who wasn't a Jew with 23andme. They just didn't have the technology at the time, and that's a good thing.

Since it is so overwhelmingly obvious that all Ashkenazi Jews are related at a level even smaller than a race, 23andme treats Jews differently:

https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/212170958-DNA-Relatives-Detecting-Relatives-and-Predicting-Relationships


Are you categorizing cousins differently for people with Ashkenazi ancestry?

Yes, we are making relationship predictions that take into account the higher than average DNA sharing found in people with Ashkenazi ancestry. In many of these cases, this results in a "distant" cousin prediction.


None of this is to say anything bad about Ashkenazi Jews, only that they are all clearly relatives to each other with a very small gene pool. We should not deny the truth just because it is politically incorrect.

PS The idea that Jews are descendants of the Khazars is also proven wrong by the same data. Khazars are Turkic, Jews are not.

PPS Sephardic (Spanish) and Mizrahi (Middle-eastern) Jews are yet something else. They are probably related to that group of 300 way back, but they definitely not Ashkenazi.


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1   Patrick   2023 Aug 13, 1:35pm  

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0034267


Although a few hundred single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) suffice to infer close familial relationships, high density genome-wide SNP data make possible the inference of more distant relationships such as 2nd to 9th cousinships. In order to characterize the relationship between genetic similarity and degree of kinship given a timeframe of 100–300 years, we analyzed the sharing of DNA inferred to be identical by descent (IBD) in a subset of individuals from the 23andMe customer database (n = 22,757) and from the Human Genome Diversity Panel (HGDP-CEPH, n = 952). With data from 121 populations, we show that the average amount of DNA shared IBD in most ethnolinguistically-defined populations, for example Native American groups, Finns and Ashkenazi Jews, differs from continentally-defined populations by several orders of magnitude.


Summary: ethnolinguistically-defined populations are races or sub-races, very distinct and easily identified genetically.

People who say race does not exist are lying.
2   GNL   2023 Aug 13, 8:02pm  

Who's the girl?
3   Patrick   2023 Aug 19, 3:34pm  

@GNL Member of the Israeli army.

She definitely looks ready to serve.
5   RWSGFY   2023 Aug 19, 6:02pm  

And now Jews ARE Nazis (according to the Soviet MFA).
6   richwicks   2023 Aug 19, 9:01pm  

RWSGFY says

And now Jews ARE Nazis (according to the Soviet MFA).


Why do you repeat such nonsense. When I read what you write, it might as well be coming from Nina Jankowicz. Don't you have any feeling of shame just repeating this propaganda nonsense all the damned time?
7   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2023 Aug 20, 10:30am  

Patrick says

People who say race does not exist are lying.


It's really just where you want to draw the line. You can do the same with nuclear families. My mito haplogroup is African (and also Iranian and Irish) but I'm white/pink haha..
8   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2023 Oct 25, 8:27pm  

Patrick says

PS The idea that Jews are descendants of the Khazars is also proven wrong by the same data. Khazars are Turkic, Jews are not.

Yep, the Khazarian Mafia thing is such a favorite term, but Eastern European Jews have less Turkic/Central Asian blood than the average Slav, which isn't very much either.

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