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2023 Aug 15, 12:55pm   1,330 views  24 comments

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1   UkraineIsFucked   2023 Aug 15, 12:56pm  

New Kentucky school bus routes a 'disaster,' prompts class cancellation as last kids arrive home at 10 pm some soaked in urine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-kentucky-school-bus-routes-disaster-prompts-class-cancellation-las-rcna99430

AI generated bus routes. We don't need SkyNet...just decision making morons jumping onto the AI hype.
2   WookieMan   2023 Aug 15, 1:11pm  

Trollhole says

AI generated bus routes. We don't need SkyNet...just decision making morons jumping onto the AI hype.

That's retarded. I think you can only fit what, 72 kids on a bus? Many go to one stop in a town/subdivision. Cities they generally walk. Even if it was 72 separate stops, how can you not manage that? I can do 600 addresses with probably 2,500 pieces of mail and parcels. I'm slow, but I'm done by 5:30pm.

In Montana, Big Sky is not Gallitin County. Most of it at least. Full time residents enrolled in public school have to go to Ennis. There's no public through road. They have to ride 1 hour to school. And 1 hour back. And that STILL gets them home by 5-6PM depending on winter weather. There's no legitimate excuse for a kid to be dropped off at 10pm.

No one wants to work, so they're hiring from the bottom of the barrel at this point. Note: I didn't read the article. But my guess is that's ultimately the issue.
3   UkraineIsFucked   2023 Aug 16, 12:11am  

WookieMan says


No one wants to work, so they're hiring from the bottom of the barrel at this point. Note: I didn't read the article. But my guess is that's ultimately the issue.


65,000 students being bussed. That's a lot of permutations to fuck up, actually. The bus drivers warned the school district that the new routes were patently insane. Nobody listened. Some AI firm was paid ~$200k to create these routes w/o any on-the-ground input. It's so bad they are canceling school for two days while they unfuck this mess.

I think the bus drivers got OT at least.
4   richwicks   2023 Aug 16, 12:45am  

Trollhole says


New Kentucky school bus routes a 'disaster,' prompts class cancellation as last kids arrive home at 10 pm some soaked in urine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-kentucky-school-bus-routes-disaster-prompts-class-cancellation-las-rcna99430

AI generated bus routes. We don't need SkyNet...just decision making morons jumping onto the AI hype.


AI isn't that bad, programmers are that bad. They sold bullshit. I doubt it was AI, or if it was, a shitty one some incompetents developed, and didn't test.

AI is very good at figuring out routing problems and distance and speed problems. VERY good at it. If I'm ever in your car, and I say "go this way", ignore me, and listen to Google. I'm wrong, I'll be certain I'm right, but I'm wrong. I cannot for the life of me drop this habit. My instinct is the least distance, not the fastest route.

I warn all my friends about this. When I'm playing backseat driver, ignore me.

Anyhow, we don't need fucking AI to do bus routes. We survived without them for, what, 70 years at least? I grew up in a very rural area, if I didn't take the bus, walking home was 3 miles, that's 45 minutes. Other students had it worse, it was 10 miles for them. 2.5 hours for them, allowed them to think. I used to commonly walk to work when it was 4.5 miles away.
5   Tenpoundbass   2023 Aug 16, 6:20am  

richwicks says

I is very good at figuring out routing problems and distance and speed problems. VERY good at it. If I'm ever in your car, and I say "go this way", ignore me, and listen to Google. I'm wrong, I'll be certain I'm right, but I'm wrong. I cannot for the life of me drop this habit. My instinct is the least distance, not the fastest route.


BULLSHIT!!! You don't' need AI to figure out Bin Packing, or the most efficient use of space, or most efficient routes.
I have been writing such applications ever since Visual Basic 5. I have even done it using Javascript.

There is no such thing as AI, not in the sense they want us to believe. Sure there is some new programming methods and standards, but they have nothing to do with the organic machine learning through Quantum computing that AI was originally sold to us as. They have ditched all of the other fantasy bullshit, that made it sound so mysterious, and are now just shoe horning decades old computing capability as AI.

I'm constantly gobsmacked at the seemingly intelligent people who keep falling for it, or perpetuating the nonsense.
6   HeadSet   2023 Aug 16, 6:39am  

Tenpoundbass says


BULLSHIT!!! You don't' need AI to figure out Bin Packing, or the most efficient use of space, or most efficient routes.
I have been writing such applications ever since Visual Basic 5. I have even done it using Javascript.

You are absolutely correct. Larger taxi companies have routing software that can take an input of hundreds of folks who need to be picked up where and when, and dropped off where and when, and work with constraints such as vehicle capacity and handicap requirements to do efficient routes. A school bus algorithm is much easier since the students are picked up when you say and all go to a single destination. Trapeze is one of many brands of software that have been doing this for decades.
7   BigSky   2023 Aug 16, 7:08am  

WookieMan says

In Montana, Big Sky is not Gallitin County. Most of it at least. Full time residents enrolled in public school have to go to Ennis.

True story, and Gallatin County has a central high school that is much closer to Big Sky, and that Big Sky bus drives by schools in Four Corners half-way on its trip to Ennis. I suspect that you noticed such a detail on your ski vacation since it relates to you as a school board member. You also mentioned "No one wants to work," which relates to a lack of school bus drivers. In places where all grades cannot fit on one bus, they have to stagger the school times so that one bus can get them all. Usually high school starts earliest, and as such the high school kids are up a 5AM to catch the bus. But as you say, despite the challenges of transporting a sparce population over large distances with limited resources, the kids manage to get home by supper.
8   RWSGFY   2023 Aug 16, 8:00am  

Why would anyone want to drive a school bus when UPS driver gets $170,000?
9   HeadSet   2023 Aug 16, 8:19am  

RWSGFY says


Why would anyone want to drive a school bus when UPS driver gets $170,000?

Because around here, a convicted pedophile can drive a school bus, but not drive a taxi or other commercial vehicle.

Semi-joke aside, there must be a long waiting list for a $170k unskilled job.
10   UkraineIsFucked   2023 Aug 16, 6:06pm  

HeadSet says

Semi-joke aside, there must be a long waiting list for a $170k unskilled job.


I think you need a Class C license (?).
11   Patrick   2023 Aug 17, 11:10pm  

Trollhole says

HeadSet says


Semi-joke aside, there must be a long waiting list for a $170k unskilled job.


I think you need a Class C license (?).


I think that was $100K salary and $70K benefits. But still.
12   RWSGFY   2023 Aug 17, 11:53pm  

Patrick says

Trollhole says


HeadSet says



Semi-joke aside, there must be a long waiting list for a $170k unskilled job.


I think you need a Class C license (?).



I think that was $100K salary and $70K benefits. But still.


$40K in benefits.
13   richwicks   2023 Aug 17, 11:57pm  

Tenpoundbass says


BULLSHIT!!! You don't' need AI to figure out Bin Packing, or the most efficient use of space, or most efficient routes.
I have been writing such applications ever since Visual Basic 5. I have even done it using Javascript.


You absolutely AI to do chip and board routing, not really AI, it's evolutionary algorithms called simulated annealing. It's just one of the methods.

It's not like you have a couple hundred or thousand things to connection, you nave millions. Timing can be a problem.

Tenpoundbass says


There is no such thing as AI, not in the sense they want us to believe. Sure there is some new programming methods and standards, but they have nothing to do with the organic machine learning through Quantum computing that AI was originally sold to us as.


30 years ago, I was of the mindset "I'm a meat computer, isn't that interesting? It will only be a matter of time before we make a thinking cognizant machine, and when we make one smart enough to understand itself, that will be amazing!!!"

Nothing I've seen approaches something I'd consider living. They are clever, but they aren't motivated except for the one problem they are asked to solve, they can't think, they're not curious. Maybe consciousness isn't just a function of mechanics. I'd be screaming heretic at myself at 20, I'd be accusing myself as being a religious idiot at 20, just for saying this. We have made no progress in making a thinking machine. What we've made are not lifeforms at all.

Tenpoundbass says


I'm constantly gobsmacked at the seemingly intelligent people who keep falling for it, or perpetuating the nonsense.


We thought that we were meat machines. We use a SMALL portion of our brain for consciousness. We're digital, did you know that, either a neuron fires or doesn't fire. We understand how this works, we can make massive neural networks now. They are using SD Cards to do multiplication, if you know how data is stored in NAND flash memory, you can use V=IR to do multiplication, because the charge you put into a cell, that's proportional to R. You can change the current, and get analog multiplication which is "good enough". Generally R (the charge on the gate) it's 0 or 1, or was when it was the first NAND flash memories, now there's.... I don't know how many levels. We're not getting more cells, we're getting more levels of resistance. Well, this can be made to do analog math. We have ENORMOUS neural networks now using basically off the shelf parts.

Most "smart people" (educated people) who are telling you "we'll be making a thinking machine soon", are lying to you. Few believe it. We might get expert systems that can do incredibly well in planning. We actually probably have AI that is safer to drive a car than a typical human being now. We've had a handful of fatal accidents. We have them all the time with people. What's the percentage?

I think it's possible our general assumption of what constitutes consciousness and awareness, is fundamentally wrong - but I don't know. My computer has more storage, literally, than my brain does. It should be able to think, if the entire HDD could be used for data storage, and the computer chip for simulating neurons one at a time. If somebody could code it of course. We can't seem to do this.

I think some people ARE machines now BTW. I'm going the other way. Some people, they are just puppets. I don't hate them, I won't kill them because of it, I have a difficult time taking advantage of them because my moral programming prevents it, but they're literally machines more than they are people. System destroyed them. ALL the time, I hear people repeating what I recognize to be propaganda, marketing phrases, and they are totally unaware of it. Remember "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup?" I heard that over and over and over again, and I have no idea what was even being marketed, and I never want to know. I bet most people repeating it didn't know. I've heard "weapons of mass destruction" and "Putin attacked Ukraine for no reason at all" and "Qaddafi is about to cause a humanitarian crisis! We HAVE to intervene!!" without a hint that they spent even a second thinking about what they are saying. Robots, meat machines.

Whether we are machines or not, I don't know, but I can tell you that the people at the top think we are, and I doubt they think THEY are.
16   UkraineIsFucked   2023 Sep 20, 4:20pm  

Border chaos is now sparking a war among Democrats, with some, like New York Mayor Eric Adams, suggesting the migrant wave may “destroy” the city. His critique has been repeated by much of the border state Arizona Democratic delegation, as well as Independent Senator Kristen Sinema. But if sensible Democrats know the game is up and want to stop the flow, others, like Chicago’s ultra-progressive Mayor Brandon Johnson and Leftist members of the New York City Council, denounce Adams and others as xenophobic acolytes who are mouthing “repugnant Maga garbage”.


https://unherd.com/thepost/americas-sanctuary-cities-are-falling-apart/
17   UkraineIsFucked   2023 Oct 9, 2:58am  

The Great EV/Renewable Clusterfuck

https://youtu.be/5stPFdegJpg?si=aLnAAzuaZ0y_f7hA

If you don't want to watch all of it, just watch the first presentation by Simon Michaux.

Michaux is like the James O'Keef of greentard bullshit. He is not popular with the greentard grifting crowd.
18   UkraineIsFucked   2023 Oct 13, 1:56am  

Well, looks like Twitter is calming down and getting back to the normal stuff:


20   komputodo   2023 Nov 5, 6:45pm  

PumpingRedheads says

New Kentucky school bus routes a 'disaster,' prompts class cancellation as last kids arrive home at 10 pm some soaked in urine.

They need Patrick to chart out the route like he does for grocery stores.
21   HeadSet   2023 Nov 6, 6:25am  

Odd, since routing algorithms are a mature technology and several companies rent product out by the month, cheap. Must be something like a severe driver shortage combined with a large area district. Or the route was done by a Buttigieg style hire.
24   UkraineIsFucked   2023 Nov 26, 5:19pm  

And in Frozen 4, it will be revealed that they are trans. Just a guess.


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