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WookieMan
2023 Aug 15, 1:11pm
WookieMan
2023 Aug 15, 1:11pm
Trollhole says
That's retarded. I think you can only fit what, 72 kids on a bus? Many go to one stop in a town/subdivision. Cities they generally walk. Even if it was 72 separate stops, how can you not manage that? I can do 600 addresses with probably 2,500 pieces of mail and parcels. I'm slow, but I'm done by 5:30pm.
In Montana, Big Sky is not Gallitin County. Most of it at least. Full time residents enrolled in public school have to go to Ennis. There's no public through road. They have to ride 1 hour to school. And 1 hour back. And that STILL gets them home by 5-6PM depending on winter weather. There's no legitimate excuse for a kid to be dropped off at 10pm.
No one wants to work, so they're hiring from the bottom of the barrel at this point. Note: I didn't read the article. But my guess is that's ultimately the issue.
AI generated bus routes. We don't need SkyNet...just decision making morons jumping onto the AI hype.
That's retarded. I think you can only fit what, 72 kids on a bus? Many go to one stop in a town/subdivision. Cities they generally walk. Even if it was 72 separate stops, how can you not manage that? I can do 600 addresses with probably 2,500 pieces of mail and parcels. I'm slow, but I'm done by 5:30pm.
In Montana, Big Sky is not Gallitin County. Most of it at least. Full time residents enrolled in public school have to go to Ennis. There's no public through road. They have to ride 1 hour to school. And 1 hour back. And that STILL gets them home by 5-6PM depending on winter weather. There's no legitimate excuse for a kid to be dropped off at 10pm.
No one wants to work, so they're hiring from the bottom of the barrel at this point. Note: I didn't read the article. But my guess is that's ultimately the issue.
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DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Aug 16, 12:11am
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Aug 16, 12:11am
WookieMan says
65,000 students being bussed. That's a lot of permutations to fuck up, actually. The bus drivers warned the school district that the new routes were patently insane. Nobody listened. Some AI firm was paid ~$200k to create these routes w/o any on-the-ground input. It's so bad they are canceling school for two days while they unfuck this mess.
I think the bus drivers got OT at least.
No one wants to work, so they're hiring from the bottom of the barrel at this point. Note: I didn't read the article. But my guess is that's ultimately the issue.
65,000 students being bussed. That's a lot of permutations to fuck up, actually. The bus drivers warned the school district that the new routes were patently insane. Nobody listened. Some AI firm was paid ~$200k to create these routes w/o any on-the-ground input. It's so bad they are canceling school for two days while they unfuck this mess.
I think the bus drivers got OT at least.
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richwicks
2023 Aug 16, 12:45am
richwicks
2023 Aug 16, 12:45am
Trollhole says
AI isn't that bad, programmers are that bad. They sold bullshit. I doubt it was AI, or if it was, a shitty one some incompetents developed, and didn't test.
AI is very good at figuring out routing problems and distance and speed problems. VERY good at it. If I'm ever in your car, and I say "go this way", ignore me, and listen to Google. I'm wrong, I'll be certain I'm right, but I'm wrong. I cannot for the life of me drop this habit. My instinct is the least distance, not the fastest route.
I warn all my friends about this. When I'm playing backseat driver, ignore me.
Anyhow, we don't need fucking AI to do bus routes. We survived without them for, what, 70 years at least? I grew up in a very rural area, if I didn't take the bus, walking home was 3 miles, that's 45 minutes. Other students had it worse, it was 10 miles for them. 2.5 hours for them, allowed them to think. I used to commonly walk to work when it was 4.5 miles away.
New Kentucky school bus routes a 'disaster,' prompts class cancellation as last kids arrive home at 10 pm some soaked in urine.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-kentucky-school-bus-routes-disaster-prompts-class-cancellation-las-rcna99430
AI generated bus routes. We don't need SkyNet...just decision making morons jumping onto the AI hype.
AI isn't that bad, programmers are that bad. They sold bullshit. I doubt it was AI, or if it was, a shitty one some incompetents developed, and didn't test.
AI is very good at figuring out routing problems and distance and speed problems. VERY good at it. If I'm ever in your car, and I say "go this way", ignore me, and listen to Google. I'm wrong, I'll be certain I'm right, but I'm wrong. I cannot for the life of me drop this habit. My instinct is the least distance, not the fastest route.
I warn all my friends about this. When I'm playing backseat driver, ignore me.
Anyhow, we don't need fucking AI to do bus routes. We survived without them for, what, 70 years at least? I grew up in a very rural area, if I didn't take the bus, walking home was 3 miles, that's 45 minutes. Other students had it worse, it was 10 miles for them. 2.5 hours for them, allowed them to think. I used to commonly walk to work when it was 4.5 miles away.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Aug 16, 6:20am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Aug 16, 6:20am
richwicks says
BULLSHIT!!! You don't' need AI to figure out Bin Packing, or the most efficient use of space, or most efficient routes.
I have been writing such applications ever since Visual Basic 5. I have even done it using Javascript.
There is no such thing as AI, not in the sense they want us to believe. Sure there is some new programming methods and standards, but they have nothing to do with the organic machine learning through Quantum computing that AI was originally sold to us as. They have ditched all of the other fantasy bullshit, that made it sound so mysterious, and are now just shoe horning decades old computing capability as AI.
I'm constantly gobsmacked at the seemingly intelligent people who keep falling for it, or perpetuating the nonsense.
I is very good at figuring out routing problems and distance and speed problems. VERY good at it. If I'm ever in your car, and I say "go this way", ignore me, and listen to Google. I'm wrong, I'll be certain I'm right, but I'm wrong. I cannot for the life of me drop this habit. My instinct is the least distance, not the fastest route.
BULLSHIT!!! You don't' need AI to figure out Bin Packing, or the most efficient use of space, or most efficient routes.
I have been writing such applications ever since Visual Basic 5. I have even done it using Javascript.
There is no such thing as AI, not in the sense they want us to believe. Sure there is some new programming methods and standards, but they have nothing to do with the organic machine learning through Quantum computing that AI was originally sold to us as. They have ditched all of the other fantasy bullshit, that made it sound so mysterious, and are now just shoe horning decades old computing capability as AI.
I'm constantly gobsmacked at the seemingly intelligent people who keep falling for it, or perpetuating the nonsense.
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HeadSet
2023 Aug 16, 6:39am
HeadSet
2023 Aug 16, 6:39am
Tenpoundbass says
You are absolutely correct. Larger taxi companies have routing software that can take an input of hundreds of folks who need to be picked up where and when, and dropped off where and when, and work with constraints such as vehicle capacity and handicap requirements to do efficient routes. A school bus algorithm is much easier since the students are picked up when you say and all go to a single destination. Trapeze is one of many brands of software that have been doing this for decades.
BULLSHIT!!! You don't' need AI to figure out Bin Packing, or the most efficient use of space, or most efficient routes.
I have been writing such applications ever since Visual Basic 5. I have even done it using Javascript.
You are absolutely correct. Larger taxi companies have routing software that can take an input of hundreds of folks who need to be picked up where and when, and dropped off where and when, and work with constraints such as vehicle capacity and handicap requirements to do efficient routes. A school bus algorithm is much easier since the students are picked up when you say and all go to a single destination. Trapeze is one of many brands of software that have been doing this for decades.
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BigSky
2023 Aug 16, 7:08am
WookieMan says
True story, and Gallatin County has a central high school that is much closer to Big Sky, and that Big Sky bus drives by schools in Four Corners half-way on its trip to Ennis. I suspect that you noticed such a detail on your ski vacation since it relates to you as a school board member. You also mentioned "No one wants to work," which relates to a lack of school bus drivers. In places where all grades cannot fit on one bus, they have to stagger the school times so that one bus can get them all. Usually high school starts earliest, and as such the high school kids are up a 5AM to catch the bus. But as you say, despite the challenges of transporting a sparce population over large distances with limited resources, the kids manage to get home by supper.
In Montana, Big Sky is not Gallitin County. Most of it at least. Full time residents enrolled in public school have to go to Ennis.
True story, and Gallatin County has a central high school that is much closer to Big Sky, and that Big Sky bus drives by schools in Four Corners half-way on its trip to Ennis. I suspect that you noticed such a detail on your ski vacation since it relates to you as a school board member. You also mentioned "No one wants to work," which relates to a lack of school bus drivers. In places where all grades cannot fit on one bus, they have to stagger the school times so that one bus can get them all. Usually high school starts earliest, and as such the high school kids are up a 5AM to catch the bus. But as you say, despite the challenges of transporting a sparce population over large distances with limited resources, the kids manage to get home by supper.
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RWSGFY
2023 Aug 16, 8:00am
RWSGFY
2023 Aug 16, 8:00am
Why would anyone want to drive a school bus when UPS driver gets $170,000?
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HeadSet
2023 Aug 16, 8:19am
HeadSet
2023 Aug 16, 8:19am
RWSGFY says
Because around here, a convicted pedophile can drive a school bus, but not drive a taxi or other commercial vehicle.
Semi-joke aside, there must be a long waiting list for a $170k unskilled job.
Why would anyone want to drive a school bus when UPS driver gets $170,000?
Because around here, a convicted pedophile can drive a school bus, but not drive a taxi or other commercial vehicle.
Semi-joke aside, there must be a long waiting list for a $170k unskilled job.
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DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Aug 16, 6:06pm
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Aug 16, 6:06pm
HeadSet says
I think you need a Class C license (?).
Semi-joke aside, there must be a long waiting list for a $170k unskilled job.
I think you need a Class C license (?).
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Patrick
2023 Aug 17, 11:10pm
Patrick
2023 Aug 17, 11:10pm
Trollhole says
I think that was $100K salary and $70K benefits. But still.
HeadSet says
Semi-joke aside, there must be a long waiting list for a $170k unskilled job.
I think you need a Class C license (?).
I think that was $100K salary and $70K benefits. But still.
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RWSGFY
2023 Aug 17, 11:53pm
RWSGFY
2023 Aug 17, 11:53pm
Patrick says
$40K in benefits.
Trollhole says
HeadSet says
Semi-joke aside, there must be a long waiting list for a $170k unskilled job.
I think you need a Class C license (?).
I think that was $100K salary and $70K benefits. But still.
$40K in benefits.
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richwicks
2023 Aug 17, 11:57pm
richwicks
2023 Aug 17, 11:57pm
Tenpoundbass says
You absolutely AI to do chip and board routing, not really AI, it's evolutionary algorithms called simulated annealing. It's just one of the methods.
It's not like you have a couple hundred or thousand things to connection, you nave millions. Timing can be a problem.
Tenpoundbass says
30 years ago, I was of the mindset "I'm a meat computer, isn't that interesting? It will only be a matter of time before we make a thinking cognizant machine, and when we make one smart enough to understand itself, that will be amazing!!!"
Nothing I've seen approaches something I'd consider living. They are clever, but they aren't motivated except for the one problem they are asked to solve, they can't think, they're not curious. Maybe consciousness isn't just a function of mechanics. I'd be screaming heretic at myself at 20, I'd be accusing myself as being a religious idiot at 20, just for saying this. We have made no progress in making a thinking machine. What we've made are not lifeforms at all.
Tenpoundbass says
We thought that we were meat machines. We use a SMALL portion of our brain for consciousness. We're digital, did you know that, either a neuron fires or doesn't fire. We understand how this works, we can make massive neural networks now. They are using SD Cards to do multiplication, if you know how data is stored in NAND flash memory, you can use V=IR to do multiplication, because the charge you put into a cell, that's proportional to R. You can change the current, and get analog multiplication which is "good enough". Generally R (the charge on the gate) it's 0 or 1, or was when it was the first NAND flash memories, now there's.... I don't know how many levels. We're not getting more cells, we're getting more levels of resistance. Well, this can be made to do analog math. We have ENORMOUS neural networks now using basically off the shelf parts.
Most "smart people" (educated people) who are telling you "we'll be making a thinking machine soon", are lying to you. Few believe it. We might get expert systems that can do incredibly well in planning. We actually probably have AI that is safer to drive a car than a typical human being now. We've had a handful of fatal accidents. We have them all the time with people. What's the percentage?
I think it's possible our general assumption of what constitutes consciousness and awareness, is fundamentally wrong - but I don't know. My computer has more storage, literally, than my brain does. It should be able to think, if the entire HDD could be used for data storage, and the computer chip for simulating neurons one at a time. If somebody could code it of course. We can't seem to do this.
I think some people ARE machines now BTW. I'm going the other way. Some people, they are just puppets. I don't hate them, I won't kill them because of it, I have a difficult time taking advantage of them because my moral programming prevents it, but they're literally machines more than they are people. System destroyed them. ALL the time, I hear people repeating what I recognize to be propaganda, marketing phrases, and they are totally unaware of it. Remember "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup?" I heard that over and over and over again, and I have no idea what was even being marketed, and I never want to know. I bet most people repeating it didn't know. I've heard "weapons of mass destruction" and "Putin attacked Ukraine for no reason at all" and "Qaddafi is about to cause a humanitarian crisis! We HAVE to intervene!!" without a hint that they spent even a second thinking about what they are saying. Robots, meat machines.
Whether we are machines or not, I don't know, but I can tell you that the people at the top think we are, and I doubt they think THEY are.
BULLSHIT!!! You don't' need AI to figure out Bin Packing, or the most efficient use of space, or most efficient routes.
I have been writing such applications ever since Visual Basic 5. I have even done it using Javascript.
You absolutely AI to do chip and board routing, not really AI, it's evolutionary algorithms called simulated annealing. It's just one of the methods.
It's not like you have a couple hundred or thousand things to connection, you nave millions. Timing can be a problem.
Tenpoundbass says
There is no such thing as AI, not in the sense they want us to believe. Sure there is some new programming methods and standards, but they have nothing to do with the organic machine learning through Quantum computing that AI was originally sold to us as.
30 years ago, I was of the mindset "I'm a meat computer, isn't that interesting? It will only be a matter of time before we make a thinking cognizant machine, and when we make one smart enough to understand itself, that will be amazing!!!"
Nothing I've seen approaches something I'd consider living. They are clever, but they aren't motivated except for the one problem they are asked to solve, they can't think, they're not curious. Maybe consciousness isn't just a function of mechanics. I'd be screaming heretic at myself at 20, I'd be accusing myself as being a religious idiot at 20, just for saying this. We have made no progress in making a thinking machine. What we've made are not lifeforms at all.
Tenpoundbass says
I'm constantly gobsmacked at the seemingly intelligent people who keep falling for it, or perpetuating the nonsense.
We thought that we were meat machines. We use a SMALL portion of our brain for consciousness. We're digital, did you know that, either a neuron fires or doesn't fire. We understand how this works, we can make massive neural networks now. They are using SD Cards to do multiplication, if you know how data is stored in NAND flash memory, you can use V=IR to do multiplication, because the charge you put into a cell, that's proportional to R. You can change the current, and get analog multiplication which is "good enough". Generally R (the charge on the gate) it's 0 or 1, or was when it was the first NAND flash memories, now there's.... I don't know how many levels. We're not getting more cells, we're getting more levels of resistance. Well, this can be made to do analog math. We have ENORMOUS neural networks now using basically off the shelf parts.
Most "smart people" (educated people) who are telling you "we'll be making a thinking machine soon", are lying to you. Few believe it. We might get expert systems that can do incredibly well in planning. We actually probably have AI that is safer to drive a car than a typical human being now. We've had a handful of fatal accidents. We have them all the time with people. What's the percentage?
I think it's possible our general assumption of what constitutes consciousness and awareness, is fundamentally wrong - but I don't know. My computer has more storage, literally, than my brain does. It should be able to think, if the entire HDD could be used for data storage, and the computer chip for simulating neurons one at a time. If somebody could code it of course. We can't seem to do this.
I think some people ARE machines now BTW. I'm going the other way. Some people, they are just puppets. I don't hate them, I won't kill them because of it, I have a difficult time taking advantage of them because my moral programming prevents it, but they're literally machines more than they are people. System destroyed them. ALL the time, I hear people repeating what I recognize to be propaganda, marketing phrases, and they are totally unaware of it. Remember "Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup?" I heard that over and over and over again, and I have no idea what was even being marketed, and I never want to know. I bet most people repeating it didn't know. I've heard "weapons of mass destruction" and "Putin attacked Ukraine for no reason at all" and "Qaddafi is about to cause a humanitarian crisis! We HAVE to intervene!!" without a hint that they spent even a second thinking about what they are saying. Robots, meat machines.
Whether we are machines or not, I don't know, but I can tell you that the people at the top think we are, and I doubt they think THEY are.
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DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Sep 20, 4:20pm
https://unherd.com/thepost/americas-sanctuary-cities-are-falling-apart/
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Sep 20, 4:20pm
Border chaos is now sparking a war among Democrats, with some, like New York Mayor Eric Adams, suggesting the migrant wave may “destroy” the city. His critique has been repeated by much of the border state Arizona Democratic delegation, as well as Independent Senator Kristen Sinema. But if sensible Democrats know the game is up and want to stop the flow, others, like Chicago’s ultra-progressive Mayor Brandon Johnson and Leftist members of the New York City Council, denounce Adams and others as xenophobic acolytes who are mouthing “repugnant Maga garbage”.
https://unherd.com/thepost/americas-sanctuary-cities-are-falling-apart/
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DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Oct 9, 2:58am
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Oct 9, 2:58am
The Great EV/Renewable Clusterfuck
https://youtu.be/5stPFdegJpg?si=aLnAAzuaZ0y_f7hA
If you don't want to watch all of it, just watch the first presentation by Simon Michaux.
Michaux is like the James O'Keef of greentard bullshit. He is not popular with the greentard grifting crowd.
https://youtu.be/5stPFdegJpg?si=aLnAAzuaZ0y_f7hA
If you don't want to watch all of it, just watch the first presentation by Simon Michaux.
Michaux is like the James O'Keef of greentard bullshit. He is not popular with the greentard grifting crowd.
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DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Oct 13, 1:56am
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Oct 13, 1:56am
Well, looks like Twitter is calming down and getting back to the normal stuff:
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komputodo
2023 Nov 5, 6:45pm
komputodo
2023 Nov 5, 6:45pm
PumpingRedheads says
They need Patrick to chart out the route like he does for grocery stores.
New Kentucky school bus routes a 'disaster,' prompts class cancellation as last kids arrive home at 10 pm some soaked in urine.
They need Patrick to chart out the route like he does for grocery stores.
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HeadSet
2023 Nov 6, 6:25am
HeadSet
2023 Nov 6, 6:25am
Odd, since routing algorithms are a mature technology and several companies rent product out by the month, cheap. Must be something like a severe driver shortage combined with a large area district. Or the route was done by a Buttigieg style hire.
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DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Nov 26, 5:19pm
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2023 Nov 26, 5:19pm
And in Frozen 4, it will be revealed that they are trans. Just a guess.
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Tenpoundbass
2024 Jul 6, 8:13am
Tenpoundbass
2024 Jul 6, 8:13am
richwicks says
A good programmer would never try to sell you their better algorithm as "Artificial" or "Intelligent".
AI is not here to help nor is the 20,000 person troll farm that curates and censors the content.
AI isn't that bad, programmers are that bad.
A good programmer would never try to sell you their better algorithm as "Artificial" or "Intelligent".
AI is not here to help nor is the 20,000 person troll farm that curates and censors the content.
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WookieMan
2024 Aug 3, 3:37am
WookieMan
2024 Aug 3, 3:37am
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says
I used to never lock my manual car. I knew no one could drive it... lol. The people that "could" steal/drive it weren't the type to steal cars. Lets put it that way.
I used to never lock my manual car. I knew no one could drive it... lol. The people that "could" steal/drive it weren't the type to steal cars. Lets put it that way.
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DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2024 Aug 3, 11:43am
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2024 Aug 3, 11:43am
WookieMan says
5 years ago the 'claim' that she was a mechanic wouldn't hold water with me either.
Now that we have DEI, however...
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5 years ago the 'claim' that she was a mechanic wouldn't hold water with me either.
Now that we have DEI, however...
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stereotomy
2024 Aug 3, 11:57am
stereotomy
2024 Aug 3, 11:57am
I always tell people who are concerned that their popular car might be a target, "The greatest antitheft device for vehicles is the manual transmission."
That doesn't help hybrid, EV, AT, CVT.
That doesn't help hybrid, EV, AT, CVT.
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WookieMan
2024 Aug 22, 7:20am
WookieMan
2024 Aug 22, 7:20am
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says
Holy fuck! I've been bitching about this FOREVER. Not here necessarily. Talking about work is not work. You have a job, do your fucking job. You should know what to do and not talk about it with other people that can't do your job. If you suck, you get fired.
Fine maybe a 15min Monday chat, but hour or two long meetings multiple times a week is absolute bullshit. My wife generally works from home. She puts her meetings on speaker. I want to take her phone and dropkick it into a pond. It takes away time from her generating sales. The idiots on the other end of the phone I want to punch their throat so they can't talk because they're so dumb. They can't do her job and they just talk about her job. They don't even have a fucking job without her.
It's why I could never do a corporate job. I'd just skip the meetings and probably get fired. Just keep it to quarterly meetings that are longer and stick to short meeting to "check in" at the beginning of the week and let people work.
Holy fuck! I've been bitching about this FOREVER. Not here necessarily. Talking about work is not work. You have a job, do your fucking job. You should know what to do and not talk about it with other people that can't do your job. If you suck, you get fired.
Fine maybe a 15min Monday chat, but hour or two long meetings multiple times a week is absolute bullshit. My wife generally works from home. She puts her meetings on speaker. I want to take her phone and dropkick it into a pond. It takes away time from her generating sales. The idiots on the other end of the phone I want to punch their throat so they can't talk because they're so dumb. They can't do her job and they just talk about her job. They don't even have a fucking job without her.
It's why I could never do a corporate job. I'd just skip the meetings and probably get fired. Just keep it to quarterly meetings that are longer and stick to short meeting to "check in" at the beginning of the week and let people work.
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Ceffer
2024 Aug 22, 6:27pm
Ceffer
2024 Aug 22, 6:27pm
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says
I bet she was really miffed when the 'fidget stick' ejaculated all the way back to her.
I bet she was really miffed when the 'fidget stick' ejaculated all the way back to her.
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DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2024 Aug 28, 10:41pm
DemocratsAreTotallyFucked
2024 Aug 28, 10:41pm
Just how Heinlein described in Starship Troopers ( the book)
Colorado #Libtards voted for this shit:
Colorado #Libtards voted for this shit:
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