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To me it all looks like government incompetence and corruption. There's no conspiracy to kill people. But now that the catastrophe occurred, the government is corruptly trying to cover up their own incompetence and corruption.

"What are the odds it would go down just like this?" someone asks. That's not the way to analyze. There are an astronomical number of ways things could go wrong, but each way is astronomically low probability. 1/astronomical x astronomical still gives high probability that one of those myriad scenarios will play out. It's like thinking the lottery is rigged because the odds of a given person winning are practically zero yet someone seems to win almost every time. That's because the number of people "playing" is huge. (Note that certain lotteries, in the past, have been rigged! Also, there's no certainty that the current lotteries are clean.)

SunnyvaleCA says

There's no conspiracy to kill people.

You haven't listened to residents, or watched analysis, this is your speculation. The people on Maui responsible for handling this covered it up from the get-go. Lied about it as it was happening. And that sacred water, pawning it off on native tribes, total bullshit according to residents. But when you turn off the water during a fire, and block the only road out of town, you aren't trying to kill people?

That's too far fetched for me bro.

ad says

If it is planned, then how do they not get exposed ?

Don't rely on government I think is the big lesson here. Not for your warning system, not for your resources, and definitely NOT for your safety. Living in small towns helps, especially because alot of what I just said is easier to do in those places. But I'd also say a willingness to resist being slaughtered, to the point of using deadly force if necessary, is key. Show them we won't turn back into the fire.

Ceffer says

Looking like Chinese satellites in the service of Globalista shared agendas.

So CCP+Soros are culpable but Oprah is cleared of the suspicion?

Oprah is likely a medium level executive who is beguiled that Satan will grant her eternal youth and fame in exchange for servitude to the agendas. She's a Realtor.

Soros is a higher level executive of MI6 and the NWO, but he follows orders as a governmental subversion specialist. I don't think he is into the real estate end of things.

CCP are just glad the West is destroying itself under any banner, and are happy to help in any way they can, especially since they are mad that they have been flooded by HAARPs because of their BRICS apostasy.

NuttBoxer says

SunnyvaleCA says

There's no conspiracy to kill people.

You haven't listened to residents, or watched analysis, this is your speculation. The people on Maui responsible for handling this covered it up from the get-go. Lied about it as it was happening. And that sacred water, pawning it off on native tribes, total bullshit according to residents. But when you turn off the water during a fire, and block the only road out of town, you aren't trying to kill people?

That's too far fetched for me bro.

It seems plausible to me that the people responsible for handling the situation were corrupt and/or incompetent. For example, perhaps they pocketed the resources intended for fire prevention and/or they are so disorganized the prevention work just slipped through the cracks. But it's a huge step to say they purposely took steps (or didn't take steps) with the intention of killing people.

ad says

If it is planned, then how do they not get exposed ?

They get exposed all the time, but because it wasn't on "the news" 70% of people don't believe it.

It's pretty obvious that the Bush administration lied us into the Iraq war and lied about the weapons of mass destruction program. Where's the fallout? Bush was invited on all the major late night talk shows recently. It's pretty obvious that the US overthrew Ukraine that caused this current war. Where's the fallout? Well, it's not "on the news", so, it didn't happen.

The vaccines are entirely ineffective, and are dangerous. Where's the fallout? It's blatantly obvious they have killed people. Where is the fallout? Well, it's not "on the news"...

70% of the human population, isn't actually human. They are meat robots. You can't understand these people ONLY follow.

SunnyvaleCA says

To me it all looks like government incompetence and corruption.

@SunnyvaleCA - it's always designed to look like incompetence and corruption, when the government lies to people. Always. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, "Russian Collusion", the vaccine...

Look, never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, UNLESS it's the government. They always hide behind stupidity, without exception.

"Oh, Epstein somehow oddly committed suicide, and the warden of the jail got a promotion after he 'killed himself'" - OOPS!

These aren't mistakes.

The Chief of Police of Maui is John Pelletier, the same chief of police when the Las Vegas shooting happened. WHAT ARE THE ODDS? About 0. He's a reliable criminal, and he's hiding under a badge, and very well by the way. It was him ultimately responsible for blocking exit routes from the fire.

SunnyvaleCA says

"What are the odds it would go down just like this?" someone asks. That's not the way to analyze.

YES IT IS.

If a company did this, you'd be asking questions.

Water was turned off, we have the emergency system on every fucking cell phone now - they didn't bother with that, they turned off the water, we have an emergency system on television and radio they didn't use, they blocked escape.

You don't understand a conspiracy, most people do not. Cops just followed orders "block the roads" - "OK sir!" They had no idea they were killing people, but that's what they did. You don't have to be aware of the conspiracy to be part of one.

SunnyvaleCA says

But it's a huge step to say they purposely took steps (or didn't take steps) with the intention of killing people.

I'm not taking the step, the evidence did it all for me. Most of it comes from easily verifiable GOVERNMENT sources. The accounts I listen to are from residents who live there. It's only a huge step for you because you haven't done the research, or aren't willing to face a reality that fucks up your worldview too much.

I let that ego trip go years ago, time to face the music...

Instead of 'I want to believe' it's 'I refuse to believe'. Don't be a co-conspirator with the evil.

Patrick says

It's interesting - that pic is reminiscent of the Boston "Escape" album cover, while one of @Ceffer's epic memes showed Auqua Teen Hunger Force's Last Stand in the style of Meatloaf's "Bat out of Hell" album cover.

Memes are experiencing something akin to that which occurred during the Renaissance, where art progressed from cartoons to full realism and perspective.

I repeat intentionally murdered:
https://youtu.be/CoIF_7eSkyY

NuttBoxer says

I repeat intentionally murdered:
https://youtu.be/CoIF_7eSkyY

If that's you posting that, don't post on YouTube alone. Post elsewhere. YouTube, FaceBook, and Twitter all are absolutely infested with intelligence agents. I but that doesn't stay up for more than few days and even if it is, it won't be discoverable FROM YouTube.

Here's the thing. Why so secretive and non-standard about all of it? The best way to keep people from speculating is tell the truth and be transparent. So why won't they just do that? Simplest explanation, they don't want us to know. Because we wouldn't like what they'd say, and it would hurt them and their interests.

All you apologists saying this is just an accident, you're the conspiracy theorists. To believe that you have to ignore so many facts, it borders on religious fanaticism. But it's not religion it's government.

You have a lot in common with the Covidites and the Ukrainian warhawks.

NuttBoxer says

All you apologists saying this is just an accident

I never said that but I'm pretty sure I'm on your list. I merely poo poo'd the idea it's DEWs and said the fire started with downed powerlines from high winds which is correct.

Definitely not an accident but rather criminal negligence among other things...

That first lady is hysterical. I don't have time right now to watch it all.

just_passing_through says

NuttBoxer says

All you apologists saying this is just an accident

I never said that but I'm pretty sure I'm on your list. I merely poo poo'd the idea it's DEWs and said the fire started with downed powerlines from high winds which is correct.

Definitely not an accident but rather criminal negligence among other things...

That first lady is hysterical. I don't have time right now to watch it all.

Everybody in the video are reaffirming the fact of police blocking roads and exits to freeway. I don't think that particular thing was ever questioned here. But there is nothing there proving it was done intentionally to kill Lahaina peeps (and take their land presumably), especially taking into accout the testimony of one person on the video saying that police allowed vehicles from OUTSIDE of Lahaina to enter it.

The parallel with that East Palestine covfefe is obvious: the derailing is a fact, the clumsiness of cleanup and mitigation effort is a fact, but the jump to THEY CIA DERAILED IT INTENTIONALLY TO KILL ALL THE CHICKENS is a leap into the loony bin until any kind of evidence is provided. Which I don't expect to see because everybody who was supposed to get to the bottom of it has jumped on the next current thing.

Blue pills and soothing white pills. You can't make the willfully blind see. Or, the agenda pushers stop pushing.

The power company itself said the power lines were off for at least six hours before the fire started. That in and of itself is irrefutable and is an absolute index weighing events. The longer it takes for their narrative, just like the longer it takes to count votes, means they are finessing their fraud and destroying and rearranging 'evidence', as they habitually do with arrogance and contempt of the observers.

Dirt worshippers prevent power company from cutting back dry brush. Dirt Worshippers wrap utility company in endless red tape to do maintenance or spend funds.

just_passing_through says

I never said that but I'm pretty sure I'm on your list. I merely poo poo'd the idea it's DEWs and said the fire started with downed powerlines from high winds which is correct.

Definitely not an accident but rather criminal negligence among other things...

That first lady is hysterical. I don't have time right now to watch it all.

It's only about 16 minutes, and that first lady gets repeated, can skip like first two minutes of it. If you watch the whole thing, a lot of the residents are on the list. With them it makes more sense, they're so close it, and the admission will mean way more for them than us.

DEW may not be the cause, but something un-natural was, and I believe the electric department that their downed lines were without power, especially after watching that video. Heard wind direction was not off the ocean as it typical, not natural.

Criminal negligence is alot more realistic than accident.

RWSGFY says

But there is nothing there proving it was done intentionally to kill Lahaina peeps (and take their land presumably), especially taking into accout the testimony of one person on the video saying that police allowed vehicles from OUTSIDE of Lahaina to enter it.

You heard people keep saying it was a death trap right, over and over. That people who went past the blockades found no downed power lines. And as you said, if you can enter on the road, then it's safe enough to leave on.

Again, I'll ask you to really think about this. If you see a fire coming, and you won't let anyone leave, what's your intent? If I start a fire(doesn't matter if it's by accident or not), and I lock the door so you can't go out that way, and you burn to death before reaching a window, what's the verdict in court?

NuttBoxer says

I believe the electric department that their downed lines were without power

You might be right about that. All the many powerlines, line those that fell on someone renting my vacation rental trying to escape. If you scroll way up you'll see the fallen over powerlines causing a fire in the morning.

Apparently the put out the fire in the morning and didn't leave anyone behind to make sure it didn't flare back up. Hours later sure. Which makes the cops stopping people due to downed powerlines even more sus.

State forensics lab has a bunch of refrigerated semi's outside their building, of course fenced off. Rumor is 3,800 bodies. Fact is about 1,000 kids are still unaccounted for, according to state school records.

These people love to plan, test, and plan and test again. In the past year they've successfully engineered two disasters that have killed thousands, and will kill thousands more. They have brayed out depopulation for decades. They started the great sickening in the mid 90's. This looks like logical progression to me as they find it harder to kill us via wars, and we're successfully pushing back against their medical and industrial food scams. Of course you can read this progression for yourself in some of their released documents. Right now they're gauging how brazen these attacks can be without provoking a response that would endanger them. Seems like a good angle so far, we've reacted to be a bunch of fucking spineless apologists who will put up with anything.

just_passing_through says

Apparently the put out the fire in the morning and didn't leave anyone behind to make sure it didn't flare back up.

Watch that video from Ryan Cristian and the chick who lives over there. They include a video from a resident's surveillance cam that shows a very bright flash, not from electric company equipment. Towards the end of that video.

Local police don't want anyone approaching the station anymore. They may be getting a hint of what's coming. Good defensive position up on a hill, but it won't save them.

https://www.facebook.com/maui247/videos/981084959675831/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C&ref=sharing&mibextid=NnVzG8

You don't have to log in to watch.

Some pictures of downed powerlines too that you definitely cannot drive across.

just_passing_through says

https://www.facebook.com/maui247/videos/981084959675831/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C&ref=sharing&mibextid=NnVzG8

You don't have to log in to watch.

Some pictures of downed powerlines too that you definitely cannot drive across.

CGI! CGI!! C! G!! I!!!

Pfizer. Now 'DEW safe'!

just_passing_through says

https://www.facebook.com/maui247/videos/981084959675831/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C&ref=sharing&mibextid=NnVzG8

You don't have to log in to watch.

Some pictures of downed powerlines too that you definitely cannot drive across.

This guy is the only one with this version so far. Every other account I've listened to, from people who where there, says police unnecessarily blocked roads. These people drove around the blockades safely in every instance, or even walked around them.

Something else to consider, if you look at this guys older videos, he seems to push the scamdemic narrative. Doesn't mean he's definitely wrong here, but does call into question his judgement on what's safe. Finally, and most importantly, why was he holding onto this information? Why wait? That more than anything seems sketchy.

Also, the video is just of him talking in his car, no video or pictures of what he's saying. I don't that part matters so much, but title seems to indicate they are there, and people who don't watch it and just want to push the governments narrative might latch onto that...

Local investors on board with snuffing the obstructionist native population, kidnapping the kids, and burning down the annoying traditional town and disguising the crime scene? All power to the Illuminati/Masonic kill switch and the sky weapons. Für die Investitionen uber alles!

Longer video, about 20 minutes in, and pretty solid so far. Again several eye-witness accounts of police intentionally forcing everyone to Front Street where they were trapped. Especially disconcerting is the bizarre refusal by the Mayor to address the missing children in any meaningful way.

Remember the Maui Murdered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhaZUGxgv5Y

Plow the earth with their ashes and boiled marrow, drink the blood of their children, and let the 15 minute slave cities and beach skyscraper condos for the elites blossom on Moloch's sacrifice!

One thing that surprised me in that video. The hard hitting questions being asked in that first press conference, I think the dude was from CNN, definitely some major network. Mainstream press is mostly dead, but not completely. Good people can be found almost anywhere.

What's next? Ewa Beach? Nankuli just around the corner from Disey? It can be done ANYWHERE.

Maui finally getting some help, from a non-profit called SmartAID founded in Israel, and affiliated with the UN. The companies statement on their Maui assistance is fucking weird, I'm betting it won't take patnetters long to spot it.

https://www.smartaid.org/projects/smartaid-respond-to-the-maui-wildfire-crisis

I don't know. Aid from Israel usually winds up with something being blown up. Maybe plinking the stragglers for the UN.

In a desperate bid to get some aid, residents of Maui start flying Israeli flags..