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Bd6r says

Unfortunately they have this info in image form.

Picture of video? Photoshop is easy to use.

richwicks says

Bd6r says

Unfortunately they have this info in image form.

Picture of video? Photoshop is easy to use.

No

The text about Utkin is in image form

Ceffer says

Wonder what Priggy's funeral will be like. That usually indicates his official status by all the particulars of flags and symbologies. As to the particulars of perpology, we will never find that out except as gossip.

Symbology here is that his coup was on June 23-24 and he was whacked exactly 2 months later

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Bd6r says

Unfortunately they have this info in image form.

Picture of video? Photoshop is easy to use.

No

The text about Utkin is in image form

You missed that part.

I'm just pointing out that in the era of bullshit, it's so simple to produce propaganda and our nation does it ALL THE TIME. CIA is the largest funder of "news" that exists.

I just dismiss any picture I see as "proof" and it's getting that way with video too. They spare no expense in lying to us.

Remember, the Smith-Mundt Act was "revised". The very first lie they put out after that is "The revision on the Smith Mundt Act doesn't make it legal for the government to spread propaganda to American citizens". Yes it does, not that it matters, is just makes it "legal". It's been defacto legal all my life.

Hillary likes cheap suicide. Putin favorite is plane or chopper.

The picture in Russian publication has nothing to do with what you wrote above. It is simply text in picture format which makes it difficult to run it through translation. Nothing else, no CIA FSB KGB FBI conspiracies.

REpro says

Hillary likes cheap suicide. Putin favorite is plane or chopper.

Po is another one of his favorites

fuck some of you guys are retarded, check incentives. world runs in incentives.

he was overthrowing africa from colonialism on behalf of Russia. slave owners never give up slave colonies without a fight. all incentive there for cia to take him out. russia had no incentive to murder him, it only screwed them. the narrative that putin killed him is for retards who still think russia blew up their own pipeline, and masks save lives. same narrative playbook from cia, because same people write it for same audiences…

could have bam a crash too, shit does happen

Bd6r says

The picture in Russian publication has nothing to do with what you wrote above. It is simply text in picture format which makes it difficult to run it through translation. Nothing else, no CIA FSB KGB FBI conspiracies.

I'm pointing out that Photoshop is fucking easy to use. A picture doesn't prove anything now. I have no idea what the reliability of the site is, I don't care if he is a fucking Nazi or not, it doesn't matter - Propaganda doesn't matter, which is why I hate it so fucking much - it just constantly misinforms people. It's an appeal to emotion.

Russia has around 140 million people, Ukraine 41 million people, pretty obvious what the outcome will be. It's a war of attrition.

Supposedly, if I can believe it, 40,000 Ukrainians were killed in the last week during their surge - IF I can believe that. Who knows, who cares? Can't stop it, Americans are mostly mindless animals, they will never protest the war, they will in fact support it, it will go on for years until Ukraine really is fighting to the last man.

Ukraine isn't going to run out of ammo, they aren't going to run out of weapons, or money, they are going to run out of men. Russia is just sitting back and shelling the fuck out of them, slowly killing them off, they aren't trying to capture land, they don't care about the population they are there supposedly attempting to save, the US doesn't care about the Ukrainian population either.

When this is done, the West will own western Ukraine, and Russia will own eastern Ukraine. Each side will completely take over the resources of their 1/2. Poland might even end up owning parts of Ukraine. A new stupid cold war will now be full blown and we'll waste even more fuckingmoney on our worthless military. Europe will lose access to Russian energy - at least direct access to it, the US will be shipping LNG to Europe if they can build the ports for it. It's all pretty predictable.

Not particularly concerned if some asshole is actually a Nazi or not. Who gives a shit? It won't change the outcome. Plenty of Nazis on the Ukrainian side.

What about the possibility that the CIA did it because he took the CIA's money but failed to carry out the coup he promised?

Patrick says

What about the possibility that the CIA did it because he took the CIA's money but failed to carry out the coup he promised?

It's not above the CIA to kill people just for propaganda purposes.

Let's say the CIA paid off Prigozhin to carry off a coup, and it failed. What value does he have to the CIA alive? Some value if he's dead. It could piss of Wagner members, makes Putin look bad, creates propaganda opportunity for the West.

But it's just as possible the FSB or something similar killed him. Maybe somebody in the military killed him, he DID shoot down some planes during his little stunt.

Patrick says

What about the possibility that the CIA did it because he took the CIA's money but failed to carry out the coup he promised?

Does CIA operate S-300 anti aircraft defense systems in Central Russia? If they do they are more competent than I thought

Look at videos of his plane downing on Wagner channels which I linked above. Streaks from missiles are well visible

Bd6r says

Patrick says

What about the possibility that the CIA did it because he took the CIA's money but failed to carry out the coup he promised?

Does CIA operate S-300 anti aircraft defense systems in Central Russia? If they do they are more competent than I thought

We magically know what missiles were used already. It's like we knew binLaden did 9/11 on the same day. Like we know that the FSB poisoned the Skripals on the day it happened and not only that, we knew what super secret NERVE AGENT was used. Like we knew Qaddafi was handing out Viagra to his soldiers for more rape.

When we "know" on the same day what happened, that just means our government is making shit up, or they did it.

Never trust that administration.

Just ask Poland’s government :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smolensk_air_disaster

richwicks says

Bd6r says

Patrick says

What about the possibility that the CIA did it because he took the CIA's money but failed to carry out the coup he promised?

Does CIA operate S-300 anti aircraft defense systems in Central Russia? If they do they are more competent than I thought

We magically know what missiles were used already. It's like we knew binLaden did 9/11 on the same day. Like we know that the FSB poisoned the Skripals on the day it happened and not only that, we knew what super secret NERVE AGENT was used. Like we knew Qaddafi was handing out Viagra to his soldiers for more rape.

When we "know" on the same day what happened, that just means our government is making shit up, or they did it.

Yup. We "knew" saddams army was ripping preemies out of the incubators. Tonight we "know" putler is killing and raping and pillaging worse than Hitler, saddam and qaddafi combined, just waiting to take Poland and Germany as well. The amount of bullshit the American and European populace is told is staggering. But there's method to this bullshit, the more you are told, the harder it is to not only figure out but also to care for the truth. All you know is to believe noone amd carry on ;)

Bd6r says

Look at videos of his plane downing on Wagner channels which I linked above. Streaks from missiles are well visible

the videos online don’t show anything missile. when did everyone here suddenly become missile experts?

mell says

But there's method to this bullshit, the more you are told, the harder it is to not only figure out but also to care for the truth. All you know is to believe noone and carry on ;)

I believe this is counter productive at this point. The more they lie, they less credibility they have. In 2016 it was POSSIBLE to think reporters were just making serial errors and mistakes. By 2020 it wasn't. Depends on how far you were along in 2016 in knowing how much bullshit came out of the MSM.

We have a writers' strike. There's not been a late night television show for over 100 days now. Nobody cares - why do you think that is? No films are being promoted, no television shows, actors aren't showing up to plug films. 1/2 the country doesn't even notice.

Corporate media is openly mocked now, I see it all the time. Go to Rachael Maddow's posts on youtube, you know who posts there? Bots do. Try to have a conversation with anybody. It's all generic stuff like "I love you Rachael Maddow!" or "I'm happy you inform the public so well Rachael, you are a blessing to the country!"

Try to elicit a response. If you get one, you're not going to get one from somebody defending her, you will get it from somebody like me. Try to get a response from anybody, saying anything.

It's all illusion. You're convinced that a significant number of people listen to and read legacy media because "otherwise, how could they stay in business?" Good question. How does the government stay in business when it sucks?

Legacy exists to convince you that "dumb people listen to this garbage" - no they don't. All of Warner Brothers is a 30 billion dollar company, yet, they can't get CNN a million viewers during any hour of the day. How does that math work out? That's a $1,000 per viewer. Let's say they get 24 million viewers throughout the course of the day. Let's say ever viewer spends $100 a year because of the commercials they say (in profit for the companies advertising there) per year. 100*24 million - 2.4 billion dollars. It's obvious they are taking government money somewhere.

Yeah it is likely counterproductive at this point, but it still obfuscates and makes people tired of caring about the truth. All they know is what/whom not to believe

mell says

Yeah it is likely counterproductive at this point, but it still obfuscates and makes people tired of caring about the truth. All they know is what/whom not to believe

They know who NOT to believe.

You know what keeps a country from falling apart? Faith. If nobody believes their media or government, you can't keep it together by force alone. The country ends up divided between what people recognize as oppressed and oppressor.

This is why propaganda (and there is always propaganda) has to be done with competent people. Not the ass-clowns that apparently got their jobs through nepotism. We have Mika Brzezinski on the propaganda box now, she's the daughter of Zbigniew Brzezinski, you know the OTHER Dr. Kissinger?

Don Lemon was hired because he was 1) gay 2) black 3) relatively photogenic. Chris Cumo was hired because he was the son of Mario Cuomo and brother of the governor, and relatively photogenic. They are all hired for stupid reasons and they aren't smart people.

richwicks says

Bd6r says

Patrick says

What about the possibility that the CIA did it because he took the CIA's money but failed to carry out the coup he promised?

Does CIA operate S-300 anti aircraft defense systems in Central Russia? If they do they are more competent than I thought

We magically know what missiles were used already. It's like we knew binLaden did 9/11 on the same day. Like we know that the FSB poisoned the Skripals on the day it happened and not only that, we knew what super secret NERVE AGENT was used. Like we knew Qaddafi was handing out Viagra to his soldiers for more rape.

When we "know" on the same day what happened, that just means our government is making shit up, or they did it.

Don’t be lazy, read Wagner telegram channels. They have videos of crash, eyewitnesses, and so on. It is not “we” who figure this out, it is Prigozhin’s troops and supporters.

But likely you will not look any of that up, you’ll just keep writing pages and pages of irrelevant stuff.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

Bd6r says

Look at videos of his plane downing on Wagner channels which I linked above. Streaks from missiles are well visible

the videos online don’t show anything missile. when did everyone here suddenly become missile experts?

There are missile propulsion streaks on videos on Wagner channels, and characteristic holes on wings of downed aircraft which very likely originate from missiles.

Bd6r says

But likely you will not look any of that up, you’ll just keep writing pages and pages of irrelevant stuff.

Thank God for the First Amendment. The friend of blather.

Was Yevgeny Prigozhin just murdered?

Yes. Duh.

Bd6r says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

Bd6r says

Look at videos of his plane downing on Wagner channels which I linked above. Streaks from missiles are well visible

the videos online don’t show anything missile. when did everyone here suddenly become missile experts?

There are missile propulsion streaks on videos on Wagner channels, and characteristic holes on wings of downed aircraft which very likely originate from missiles.

channel you quoted is some random, has nothing to do with wagner. don’t rely on that for source if truth or something, internet is full of shit and confusion.

NO! IT CAN"T BE!!! HE MADE A DEAL WITH OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER!!!!

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

channel you quoted is some random, has nothing to do with wagner. don’t rely on that for source if truth or something, internet is full of shit and confusion.

Do you know Russian so you can judge what is on https://t.me/s/grey_zone and https://t.me/s/apwagner . The perceived randomness may be because they have posts about Africa and Ukraine where Wagner operates.

They are mouthpieces of the Wagner group and their recruitment partially went through those channels.

Also, who are those people and what do they have in common with Prigozhin? Hopefully Patnet Russia/Ukraine specialists know about them.

Моторола
Мозговой
Беднов
Дрёмов
Гиви
Захарченко
Стремоусов
Дугина
Татарский

This is an interesting article by Chechen Al Nusra who do not like both Russia and West, and usually do not lie:

https://kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2023/08/24/121807/demonstrativnoe-ubijstvo-prigozhina-pokazyvaet-miru-chto-v-rossii-pravit-banda-ugolovnikov.shtml

Демонстративное убийство Пригожина и его окружения ставит окончательную точку в этом споре.

Путин убил Пригожина по всем классическим правилам уголовного мира – показательно, чтобы никто не сомневался, что это акт мести за то, что «поднял хвост на пахана».

The demonstrative murder of Prigozhin and his entourage puts an end to this dispute.

Putin killed Prigozhin according to all the classic rules of the criminal world - it is significant that no one doubts that this is an act of revenge for "disrespecting the godfather."

Also, if it was CIA who killed Prigozhin, then why Putin arrested the Wagner commanders who survived the crash?

Мне написали почему нет заявления от совета командиров ЧВК "Вагнер". Часть командиров задержаны. Некоторых сняли прямо со второго борта, который приземлился в Москве. Видимо принято решение полностью зачистить структуру под ноль. Грубо говоря, никакого совета командиров ЧВК "Вагнер" уже нет.

Theyasked me why there is no statement from the council of commanders of the Wagner PMC. Some of the commanders have been detained. Some were removed directly from the second airplane, which landed in Moscow. Apparently, a decision was made to completely destroy the structure. Council of Wagner PMC commanders does not exist any more.

https://t.me/apwagner/11792

Prigozhin was a stupid cunt:

1) everybody knows that Pukin has a special hate for traitors and he labeled Prig as such in his speech on the day of the mutiny;

2) everybody knows Pukin (and Soviets in general) never abide to any agreements;

2+2=4, duh

I suppose Prigozhin thought he is invincible because he belonged to kooperativ Ozero.

Agreed he was more likely killed by Putins orders. Strange though that he didn't take any more precautions

All jokes aside: what info did Prig have on Hillary?

zzyzzx says

Was Yevgeny Prigozhin just murdered?

Yes. Duh.

I think that falls in the category of FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT

RWSGFY says

Prigozhin was a stupid cunt:

1) everybody knows that Pukin has a special hate for traitors and he labeled Prig as such in his speech on the day of the mutiny;

2) everybody knows Pukin (and Soviets in general) never abide to any agreements;

2+2=4, duh

OH LOOKIE...that's so cute..he made up a funny name for Putin. He's so clever.

komputodo says

zzyzzx says

Was Yevgeny Prigozhin just murdered?

Yes. Duh.

I think that falls in the category of FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT

It falls in the category LEARN YOUR FUCKING ROMAN HISTORY.

zzyzzx says

Was Yevgeny Prigozhin just murdered?

Yes. Duh.

why do patnet readers care? thousands of people get murdered everyday.

Eric Holder says

komputodo says

zzyzzx says

Was Yevgeny Prigozhin just murdered?

Yes. Duh.

I think that falls in the category of FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT

It falls in the category LEARN YOUR FUCKING ROMAN HISTORY.

I admittingly don't know much about roman history and to be truthful, I don't care about it either...But I do understand FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT.

komputodo says

zzyzzx says

Was Yevgeny Prigozhin just murdered?

Yes. Duh.

why do patnet readers care? thousands of people get murdered everyday.

What else should we care about? Kardashians?

https://notthebee.com/article/shocking-video-shows-the-plane-of-wagner-mercenary-chief-yevgeny-prigozhin-falling-from-the-sky--prigozhin-was-listed-as-onboard

A Russian "conspiracy" site:

https://www.rucriminal.info/ru/material/gibel-prigojina-xronika

Очевидец подтвердил ВЧК-ОГПУ, что перед падением самолета Пригожина в небе прозвучали два взрыва, похожие на ракетную стрельбу.

An eyewitness confirmed to the Cheka-OGPU that before the crash of Prigozhin's plane, two explosions were heard in the sky, similar to rocket fire.

All jokes aside, killig Prigozhin very likely made Putin position stronger. A serious and popular rival was removed. This is of course assuming that Prigozhin was in the plane...