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richwicks says

AmericanKulak Really? What document? What page?

Didn't you just make a claim a few posts back that I have yet to see backed by anything about the Moving Company moving the 911 hijackers? Asking chatGPT about it and posting a screenshot where the AI itself quotes "Claims" and "Debunked" ain't a source.

Okay, Pot Kettle Caller, here's your sauce.

Here it is:
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/declasspart4.pdf

Page 8, page 17, page 19. Includes AQ supporters and 911 hijacker aquaintances being financed with monthly subsidies via Bandar and Princes and Spouses.

That took a few seconds to open a tab and use the Brave Search to find it.

Here is ANOTHER document finally unclassified after almost 20 years on the connection between Top Saudi Government Officials and Princes and the Hijackers:

https://vault.fbi.gov/9-11-attacks-investigation-and-related-materials/9-11-material-released-in-response-to-executive-order-14040

And another:
https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/columns/2018/09/10/anderson-did-mueller-mislead-public-about-911/10730144007/

Most of the held-back parts of the original 911 parts and other documents trickled out over the years contain a plethora of Saudi-based support for the Hijackers, of whom 15 of the 19 were Saudi and the rest other Muslims.

The biggest censoring and delayed release the US Government has done re: 911 is mostly around the role of high ranking Saudis in 911.

AmericanKulak says

Didn't you just make a claim a few posts back that I have yet to see backed by anything about the Moving Company moving the 911 hijackers?

Yeah, but that's not the interesting part. What's interesting is that ChatGPT acknowledges there were Israelis recording. NO "news" agency in the United States admits that now. I am surprised it admits to it at all.

AmericanKulak says

Here it is:
https://28pagesdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/declasspart4.pdf

Page 8, page 17, page 19. Includes AQ supporters and 911 hijacker aquaintances being financed with monthly subsidies via Bandar and Princes and Spouses.

You mean page 417? That's what is printed at the bottom as the page number? I see mention of the FIB informant, how is it know this is Robert Mueller?

I know what a piece of shit Robert Mueller is, he was the handler for Whitey Bulger. He sent 4 innocent people to prison to protect Bulger.

https://www.columnblog.com/p/nyt-runs-pro-saudi-op-ed-without

richwicks says

Of course a plane hit the Pentagon. I mean, why would they use a missile when they already had a fucking plane?

There were many, many false reports of hijacking that day. No proof they ever had any of the planes claimed to be used. Just an empty field where for the first and last time in human history, a plane completely disintegrated on impact. Then a wrecked first floor only section of the Pentagon with no visible damage from the steel jet engines that hit it...

richwicks says

You mean page 417? That's what is printed at the bottom as the page number? I see mention of the FIB informant, how is it know this is Robert Mueller?

According to the PDF pagination, at least when I open it in Brave. You can do a find for "Asset" which will give most of the same results.

richwicks says

I know what a piece of shit Robert Mueller is, he was the handler for Whitey Bulger. He sent 4 innocent people to prison to protect Bulger.

Of course. And he was a handler for high ranking Princes in the KSA.

richwicks says

Yeah, but that's not the interesting part. What's interesting is that ChatGPT acknowledges there were Israelis recording. NO "news" agency in the United States admits that now. I am surprised it admits to it at all.

Yes, like millions of other people in NYC that day who recorded and took pictures. One of them had brought a camera in one of those Time Store Electronics shops, as a young guy, he had booked a ticket for India.

AmericanKulak says

"The Horsing Around Israelis were kept in immigation detention for weeks and interrogated daily by multiple intel agencies, not just the FBI. before being deported several weeks after 9/11."

If memory serves, they were flown out of the USA within hours of their arrest.

Forget ‘blame game’ and ‘blame exoneration’ crap for ‘my team’, consider how these things are likely planned. My fragile theory is that these are business ventures attracting shareholders from many camps.

BIS operates as a war investment and financial clearinghouse for all manner of psychopathic world ventures. They organized Hitler’s shareholders in WWII. Like Goldman Sachs is to IPO’s, BIS is to world psychopaths for their war and false flag business ventures.

The ‘odd bedfellows’ phenomenon arises when a particular psychopath with ambitions will in certain circumstances ally themselves to the stock offering of a possibly adverse psychopath. The investments can be non-denominational, with each psychopathic entity evaluating the merits of the shareholding scheme for themselves. They probably have ‘pitch artists’ with laser pointers, graphs, profit projections, resource thievery etc. and powerpoint presentations for various false flags scenarios pending. BIS et alia probably have all kinds of generic blueprints with projected financing and participation opportunities for various war and false flag scenarios

The multifarious groups, even if they were to seem at cross polarities with each other, were given an opportunity to invest in the 9/11 enterprise for whatever purposes they deemed fit. Each investor also had to provide resources and cover stories to the caper to the extent they were able. MIC would invest enthusiastically because it would profit massively.

It was an Illuminati LLC investment opportunity, with the parties all believing they had something to gain from the investment. The schemes, as long as they were deemed profitable, would get the top down organizational imprimaturs of the Swiss Octagon. Each investing party would turn the event to their own purposes.

Lots of elites and investing Intel agencies already knew 9/11 would occur ahead of time. It wasn’t a secret. Shit, it was predicted by William Cooper and the X-files at 'civilian level' for holy fuck’s sake, and even illustrated in a card from the Illuminati Card Game. The date is one of their gematria/astrology holy dates for Satanic execution. It was executed with the audacious, in your face contempt of the public that we have come to know and love from our plotting world murderers.

The CCP, for instance, are happy with various shape shifting alliances, renting themselves out, and wearing different, short term, expiring alliance hats, like implementing Covid fraud and leasing their DEW satellites to the Globalists to reduce Lahaina to cinders. We can see CCP also enthusiastically exploited Covid Fraud for their own doubling down of tyranny and social control.

If the heat gets too strong, the investors will all start playing a game of musical chairs blame, pointing the finger at each other while shrugging their shoulders in innocent disbelief that anybody would question their integrity.

I think it is safe to say that the Pentagon was not hit by a plane, but by a missile.

Here's why:

The most secure building on earth, with dozens of security cameras pointing everywhere, somehow just malfunctioned on that fateful day. (Interesting how those darn cameras seem to always fail when you need them most).

Trained, experienced airlines pilots are on record stating that NO PILOT could have manually flown a jet airliner into the Pentagon. One of the main reasons is that a plane requires much higher altitude in order to have sufficient lift needed to maneuver the plane. The plane simply wasn't capable for such a maneuver, let alone while being flown by student pilots that were trained using a prop trainer.

The hole in the Pentagon was too small for an airliner, and the two titanium jet engines on each wing would have made huge holes in the building. Also, after the attack, light poles in the supposed flight pattern were still standing. How did the massive airliner avoid hitting these poles?

It was a cruise missile, and not an airliner that hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

RayAmerica says

It was a cruise missile, and not an airliner that hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

Like the missile hole in PA, where the plane remnants didn't survive, but jihadi ID and clean boxcutters (scattered in after the fact) remained miraculously unscathed.

Ceffer says

Like the missile hole in PA, where the plane remnants didn't survive, but jihadi ID and clean boxcutters (scattered in after the fact) remained miraculously unscathed.

I'm not sure, but I think this is an official forensic photo of the flight 93 debris field.

RayAmerica says

I'm not sure, but I think this is an official forensic photo of the flight 93 debris field.

Oops. My bad. How could I dare question the official narrative?

I'm glad I could help out. Now off with that Tin Foil Hat for good and no more of this conspiracy nonsense.

RayAmerica says

I'm glad I could help out. Now off with that Tin Foil Hat for good and no more of this conspiracy nonsense.

Yes, I'm back to the regular nonsense now.

RayAmerica says

Trained, experienced airlines pilots are on record stating that NO PILOT could have manually flown a jet airliner into the Pentagon. at altitude.

Why not? That is not much different than doing a visual approach and landing on a runway. In both cases the pilot has an aimpoint. Of course, I am talking about a trained pilot proficient in landings, which I hear those hijackers never practiced landings.

RayAmerica says

One of the main reasons is that a plane requires much higher altitude in order to have sufficient lift needed to maneuver the plane.

That makes no sense, as lift actually decreases with altitude due to less dense air. This is why the takeoff run is longer. at higher elevation airports.

Making Pancakes

HeadSet says

I am talking about a trained pilot proficient in landings, which I hear those hijackers never practiced landings.

They weren't even proficient in flying their propeller driven trainer plane. Do you have any idea what it would take to fly a jet airliner of that size MANUALLY? If experienced airline pilots say that THEY couldn't accomplish what an amateur flight student did, don't you think that is a red flag?

HeadSet says

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RayAmerica said:
One of the main reasons is that a plane requires much higher altitude in order to have sufficient lift needed to maneuver the plane.

That makes no sense, as lift actually decreases with altitude due to less dense air. This is why the takeoff run is longer. at higher elevation airports.

Do some research. You simply cannot fly a jet airliner at say 500' off the ground. It needs thrust, lift and speed to maintain elevation. Flying close to the ground eliminates all of that.

The_Deplorable says

If memory serves, they were flown out of the USA within hours of their arrest.

Didn't happen. They were kept in the US for 71 days, this source says 2 months, and repeatedly interrogated, then finally turned over for deportation. Note this source is very much pro-Pali, anti-Zionist as well as anti-Ukraine and anti-neocons (see their latest stories on the right margin) so they're arguing against the site's own bias/interest.

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/09/11/dancing-israelis-9-11-plotters-spies-scam-artists/

It was the Saudis, including Princes and their spouses who supported AQ symps and hijackers, that were whisked out on the only non-military flight allowed immediately after 911. Which "Facten Cheka" say "No Commercial Flights" as a misleading half-truth. Yep, it wasn't commerical, it was diplomatic/government.

RayAmerica says

Do you have any idea what it would take to fly a jet airliner of that size MANUALLY?

If it is anything like the KC-135, I know that personally.

RayAmerica says

Do some research. You simply cannot fly a jet airliner at say 500' off the ground. It needs thrust, lift and speed to maintain elevation. Flying close to the ground eliminates all of that.

Absolutely false. My buddies flying B-52s used to fly much lower than 500 ft for hours at a time on practice missions. I also personally flew a KC-135 at about 500 ft AGL over Norway for about 100 miles during a route from England to Bodo so we could check out the scenery (ATC cleared us for that since there was virtually no traffic in that area). Another neat trick often done is to fly the plane down the 2 mile long runway while keeping the wheels about 20 ft above the pavement. In this case, being that close to the ground actually increases lift, through something known a "ground effect."

NuttBoxer says

Just an empty field where for the first and last time in human history, a plane completely disintegrated on impact.

You "know" this because the propaganda box told you this is the case.

We have LONG ago been beyond the point we can trust anything from the "legacy media".

Our news media, works very hard, to sell us bullshit, not to be accurate, not to educate. It's VERY easy to tell the truth, but instead they constantly lie. That's their purpose, to sow confusion and discord.

Onvacation says

Making Pancakes

The Champlain Tower dispelled the notion that the only way a building would accelerate is by placed explosions.

Here's the thing, if Bad Guys working in our government, in conjunction with other bad state actors from other countries, to plan to have guys fly a plane into the TWC, and it brought the building down. Then why all of the extra drama? If the facts weren't murky and cloudy by all of the arm chair physicists, making hay about what must have happened, and the sinister theories that are just over the top. It just gets in the way from any real meaningful investigations. It's why the Congressional hearings were upended and railroaded. They could never get to the facts, that certain agencies benefited from the collapse. Even if they weren't to blame, a thorough investigation should have ensnared those coincidental crimes, regardless who and how the towers came down.

But if you make it into a Flat Earth UFO discussion, then fhe facts gets lost on stupidity and retardation.

We need to fly a fully loaded jet into a Concrete bunker as thick as the Pentagon and see if the wings collapse and fold in, and makes a bore hole like happened, or will it make a slit, like people expect to see. Will those wings hit with the same force and inertia as the fuselage?

Also we have to fly a plane into a steel and glass tower and see what happens.

People say, "Well they have computer models!" To which I say "The Models were Wrong" is not an uncommon phrase. Models behave according to the physics as the developer understands it, makes those models. They are not an analog of Nature, they are an analog of the creators thought process, and his personal oppions, based on his best educated guess .

Tenpoundbass says

Then why all of the extra drama? If the facts weren't murky and cloudy by all of the arm chair physicists, making hay about what must have happened, and the sinister theories that are just over the top. It just gets in the way from any real meaningful investigations.

That's the point of doing it. To muddy the waters. That's the entire point.

If I say 'I think the government had a hand in 9/11 to start 20 years of useless war", to a random person, I have to spend an hour after that explaining "no, they planes weren't holograms, no I don't believe in nano-thermite whatever the fuck that is, no don't believe directed energy weapons were involved, NO I don't think a missile hit the Pentagon" etc etc etc etc.

The reason all this CRAZY BULLSHIT is promoted is to prevent reasonable discussion.

You want to quickly determine what is bullshit:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=directed+energy+weapons+9%2F11

If you can find it on YouTube, it's bullshit. You can tell the most crazy bullshit on YouTube, but if you tell the truth, your video becomes "misinformation". It's easy to know what is true by finding out what is false. You cannot tell the truth about a controversial subject on YouTube, Twitter, or Facebook.

Now having said that, you can lie your ass off on BitChute, Rumble, and GAB, but you cannot be correct on the Big 3. You can see what is bullshit by seeing what is allowed to be seen on the Big 3.

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HeadSet says

Absolutely false.

So apparently you believe that flunky students that were trained on little propeller driven trainers were able to fly commercial jet airliners MANUALLY. Got it.

RayAmerica says

HeadSet says

Absolutely false.

So apparently you believe that flunky students that were trained on little propeller driven trainers were able to fly commercial jet airliners MANUALLY. Got it.

Talk to a pilot. Once you learn to fly one plane, they are all basically equivalent. It's like moving from a pinto to a bus. Sure, it's not identical, but you can handle it.

RayAmerica says

HeadSet says

Absolutely false.

So apparently you believe that flunky students that were trained on little propeller driven trainers were able to fly commercial jet airliners MANUALLY. Got it.

No, you are deflecting. I said "Why not? That is not much different than doing a visual approach and landing on a runway. In both cases the pilot has an aimpoint. Of course, I am talking about a trained pilot proficient in landings, which I hear those hijackers never practiced landings."

I was pointing out that your statement "You simply cannot fly a jet airliner at say 500' off the ground. It needs thrust, lift and speed to maintain elevation. Flying close to the ground eliminates all of that" is totally out to lunch.

richwicks says

You "know" this because the propaganda box told you this is the case.

We have LONG ago been beyond the point we can trust anything from the "legacy media".

Our news media, works very hard, to sell us bullshit, not to be accurate, not to educate. It's VERY easy to tell the truth, but instead they constantly lie. That's their purpose, to sow confusion and discord.

Conspiracy researchers go through facts and details before saying something is a lie. Conspiracy theorists just throw shit on the wall. Provide some rationale to justify your statement, or stop throwing shit. Not that the media would lie, we all know that. But WHY they would lie in such a terrible fashion as to instantly draw attention to the lie by how badly it's told.

I mean if you can stand down all air defense in the US to achieve your goal, how hard would it have been to stage a real plane crash in a field, rather than that bullshit.

richwicks says

Talk to a pilot. Once you learn to fly one plane, they are all basically equivalent. It's like moving from a pinto to a bus. Sure, it's not identical, but you can handle it.

If a person learns to drive in a Toyota Corolla and is able to back into a driveway, do you think that person can just step into a Kenworth and back the 50-foot trailer into a tight loading dock at Walmart? Just wondering.

richwicks says

Talk to a pilot. Once you learn to fly one plane, they are all basically equivalent. It's like moving from a pinto to a bus. Sure, it's not identical, but you can handle it.

We already are, and sounds like @HeadSet disagrees.

You're whole take here is a contradiction of itself. You say the media report of the disintegrated plane crash in the field is fake, but the media report of the hijackers who stunk at flying single prop performing highly skilled maneuvers is legit. Your source is derided, or applauded as it's suits your opinion.

Watch Corbett, or do some real research, and stop detracting with half-cocked theories.

Headset,

I don't wish to drone on and one about this, but I'm curious to hear your take on this.

Do you believe that students that have been trained to fly in a prop driven trainer could successfully MANUALLY fly a commercial jet airliner? More specifically, conduct the maneuver that was required at the Pentagon?

Again, and this can't be emphasized enough, a maneuver that experienced commercial pilots said could not be done.

If experienced commercial pilots could not perform this manual maneuver, how were the hijackers able to?

Headset,

Just out of curiosity, what do you think happened at the 47 story Building 7 for it to suddenly collapse into its own footprint?

I think that there were enough reliable witnesses in DC that day, that saw the plane fly over the city that we can can say a jumbo jet hit the Pentagon.

Misc says

I think that there were enough reliable witnesses in DC that day, that saw the plane fly over the city that we can can say a jumbo jet hit the Pentagon.

Any clue as to why all the security cameras that day just somehow malfunctioned?

Misc says

I think that there were enough reliable witnesses in DC that day, that saw the plane fly over the city that we can can say a jumbo jet hit the Pentagon.

the problem with your statement is that we have all learned that if you are a witness that supports the narrative, your statement will be published...however if your statement doesn't support the narrative, it will be covered up.

To me amazing is that government can sell to people some unbelievable stories, without any proof. Things which are against logic, math, chemistry, physics, people with professional experience and many people just unconditionally believe in that. Now if we take in account how many residents in US and around the world have so called college degree, that question the value of all that education. This gives confidence to government, CIA, FBI, that only they are smart and everybody else just plain stupid.

RayAmerica says

Do you believe that students that have been trained to fly in a prop driven trainer could successfully MANUALLY fly a commercial jet airliner?

I have a problem believing the hijackers were that lightly trained. How did they navigate to their targets? That takes detailed knowledge of how to use aircraft navigation systems. Two of the flights took off from Boston and were hijacked enroute to California, but somehow the hijackers were able to take the plane from a spot in mid-state NY and fly directly to the WTC? The hijackers also knew how to turn off the transponder (Mode C) to prevent Air Traffic Control from following them.

>RayAmerica says

Again, and this can't be emphasized enough, a maneuver that experienced commercial pilots said could not be done.

I would put those commercial pilots into the same category as those medical doctors who said that if you get the vaxx, you will not get Covid. If you have an object in sight, you can fly into it. All you need to do is keep the object in the center area of the canopy screen where the object no longer moves across the screen and just grows (the opposite of collision avoidance, where if one sees and object growing but not moving, take action). But like I said, I think the hijackers were more trained that we were told.

RayAmerica says

Headset,

Just out of curiosity, what do you think happened at the 47 story Building 7 for it to suddenly collapse into its own footprint?

I have no idea. I was talking about flying.

NuttBoxer says

Conspiracy researchers go through facts and details before saying something is a lie. Conspiracy theorists just throw shit on the wall. Provide some rationale to justify your statement, or stop throwing shit.

I am not going to waste a SINGLE moment even considering the possibility that was is reported on either the propaganda box, or print legacy media is even worth paying attention to.

You can spend an entire lifetime proving they lie constantly. I am not going to waste any effort trying to convince you they are a completely unreliable source of information. If you cannot see the obvious by now, after 4 years of "Russia hacked our elections", what can I say?

I simply don't care AT ALL what our government, or our propaganda systems said about 9/11. If we had a REAL media, there's plenty of stories of the century to report, but we don't have a real media. We KNOW who did 9/11. It was US, Israeli and Saudi intelligence. We arrested people, caught people, traced the money, unredacted documents. What's the point in doing this? After you're done doing it, nobody will believe you anyhow. You have to unwind all that bullshit in their mind given to them from 20 years of propaganda.

HeadSet says

If a person learns to drive in a Toyota Corolla and is able to back into a driveway, do you think that person can just step into a Kenworth and back the 50-foot trailer into a tight loading dock at Walmart? Just wondering.

Why are you making this comparison?

I can drive any size truck forward, no problem. I might be sloppy at it, I might be dangerous, doesn't matter when I'm just aiming to hit a wall with it, does it?