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2023 Sep 22, 6:23pm
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2023 Sep 22, 6:23pm
Bd6r says
Yep best way to pander to Democrats and Establishment (i.e., bureaucracy, New York Times, etc.) is to co-celebrate Woke cult ideals and people.
So there is a direct or proportional relationship between Woke pandering and securing military and humanitarian aid.
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Ukraine will do anything to get support from the West.
Yep best way to pander to Democrats and Establishment (i.e., bureaucracy, New York Times, etc.) is to co-celebrate Woke cult ideals and people.
So there is a direct or proportional relationship between Woke pandering and securing military and humanitarian aid.
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2023 Sep 22, 6:25pm
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2023 Sep 22, 6:25pm
Big_Johnson says
How much are all these countries giving combined in dollar amount compared to USA and Great Britain ?
I would estimate no more than 10% of what the USA gives.
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Getting attacked by Russia is enough. Poland, Lithuania, Finnland, Hungary, Romania, Czech Republic….all these countries are next to/not far from Russia or Ukrain
How much are all these countries giving combined in dollar amount compared to USA and Great Britain ?
I would estimate no more than 10% of what the USA gives.
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Bd6r
2023 Sep 22, 7:41pm
Bd6r
2023 Sep 22, 7:41pm
Big_Johnson says
I am from those areas of world and actually came back from Poland a week ago
“ With respect to OP, Ukraine will do anything to get support from the West”
Ukraine doesn’t have to do much to get support from the west. Getting attacked by Russia is enough. Poland, Lithuania, Finnland, Hungary, Romania, Czech Republic….all these countries are next to/not far from Russia or Ukraine and have a natural interest in Ukraine kicking Russia’s ass. You would to if you lived there.
I am from those areas of world and actually came back from Poland a week ago
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Bd6r
2023 Sep 22, 8:13pm
Bd6r
2023 Sep 22, 8:13pm
Big_Johnson says
Warszawa and Southwest as well - lower Silesia!!! We might have met each other while hiking in Sudet mountains and close by!
Should have had PATNET meeting there!
“ I am from those areas of world and actually came back from Poland a week ago”
I was in Poland a week ago too!!
Had lots of Perogies and good beer. We started from Goerlitz in Germany, explored the south west area of Poland and even made it to the Czech Republic (castle Frydland).
Where were you and what did you do there?
Warszawa and Southwest as well - lower Silesia!!! We might have met each other while hiking in Sudet mountains and close by!
Should have had PATNET meeting there!
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richwicks
2023 Sep 23, 6:44am
richwicks
2023 Sep 23, 6:44am
Big_Johnson says
First, that graph doesn't even add up to $100 billion, which the US alone has spent.
Second, Ukraine is going to run out of people. The US will just further bankrupt itself until everybody in Ukraine is dead.
It's not just about money at all. Russia has never lost a war to my knowledge, unless you include Afghanistan. The US loses all it's wars, the people running the US don't even seem concerned about winning the wars.
With this type of backing, it’s impossible for Russia to win this war.
First, that graph doesn't even add up to $100 billion, which the US alone has spent.
Second, Ukraine is going to run out of people. The US will just further bankrupt itself until everybody in Ukraine is dead.
It's not just about money at all. Russia has never lost a war to my knowledge, unless you include Afghanistan. The US loses all it's wars, the people running the US don't even seem concerned about winning the wars.
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2023 Sep 23, 7:37am
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2023 Sep 23, 7:37am
ad says
Have they jabbed their kiddies and pregnant women yet?
Yep best way to pander to Democrats and Establishment (i.e., bureaucracy, New York Times, etc.) is to co-celebrate Woke cult ideals and people.
So there is a direct or proportional relationship between Woke pandering and securing military and humanitarian aid.
Have they jabbed their kiddies and pregnant women yet?
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HeadSet
2023 Sep 23, 8:43am
HeadSet
2023 Sep 23, 8:43am
richwicks says
Crimean War, WW1.
Russia has never lost a war to my knowledge, unless you include Afghanistan
Crimean War, WW1.
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Ceffer
2023 Sep 23, 11:21am
Ceffer
2023 Sep 23, 11:21am
Big_Johnson says
A bit of assertion fallacy is great lubrication for a brawl.
Research before you post.
A bit of assertion fallacy is great lubrication for a brawl.
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2023 Sep 23, 11:39am
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2023 Sep 23, 11:39am
richwicks says
True Rich as far as open accounting and what is on record, the US gave $50 billion in 2022 and $50 billion is budgeted for 2023. Birdbrain Biden is asking for $24 billion for 2024. Can only speculate that the 2025 funding request may be less than $24 billion as a way to try to deescalate the military conflict.
And from 2014 to 2019, Ukraine received $1.5 billion in military assistance.
https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/09/25/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/
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First, that graph doesn't even add up to $100 billion, which the US alone has spent.
Second, Ukraine is going to run out of people. The US will just further bankrupt itself until everybody in Ukraine is dead.
It's not just about money at all. Russia has never lost a war to my knowledge, unless you include Afghanistan. The US loses all it's wars, the people running the US don't even seem concerned about winning the wars.
True Rich as far as open accounting and what is on record, the US gave $50 billion in 2022 and $50 billion is budgeted for 2023. Birdbrain Biden is asking for $24 billion for 2024. Can only speculate that the 2025 funding request may be less than $24 billion as a way to try to deescalate the military conflict.
And from 2014 to 2019, Ukraine received $1.5 billion in military assistance.
https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/09/25/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/
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richwicks
2023 Sep 23, 7:22pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 23, 7:22pm
ad says
It's just Vietnam 2.0. We'll be engaged there forever. We already have mercenaries there, it's just a matter of time before US forces go in.
True Rich as far as open accounting and what is on record, the US gave $50 billion in 2022 and $50 billion is budgeted for 2023. Birdbrain Biden is asking for $24 billion for 2024. Can only speculate that the 2025 funding request may be less than $24 billion as a way to try to deescalate the military conflict.
And from 2014 to 2019, Ukraine received $1.5 billion in military assistance.
https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/09/25/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/
It's just Vietnam 2.0. We'll be engaged there forever. We already have mercenaries there, it's just a matter of time before US forces go in.
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2023 Sep 23, 7:47pm
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2023 Sep 23, 7:47pm
richwicks says
I hope not. But even if Biden loses to someone not Trump, I don't see this . The militant support for this war is from the Biden and Obama camp. I don't see Nikkii Haley and DaSantis support that.
It's just Vietnam 2.0. We'll be engaged there forever. We already have mercenaries there, it's just a matter of time before US forces go in.
I hope not. But even if Biden loses to someone not Trump, I don't see this . The militant support for this war is from the Biden and Obama camp. I don't see Nikkii Haley and DaSantis support that.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 23, 7:53pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 23, 7:53pm
ad says
I also hope not, but I know the foreign policy of the United States, it's just keep the wars going on. There's no mission. Our country literally makes war because we have asshole representatives that invest in defense contractors, then feed the defense contractors money, to profit off from that stock. They're total sociopaths.
I don't think Trump will be allowed to run, and even if he does, to win, and EVEN if he does, to be allowed to end the war.
richwicks says
It's just Vietnam 2.0. We'll be engaged there forever. We already have mercenaries there, it's just a matter of time before US forces go in.
I hope not. But even if Biden loses to someone not Trump, I don't see this . The militant support for this war is from the Biden and Obama camp. I don't see Nikkii Haley and DaSantis support that.
I also hope not, but I know the foreign policy of the United States, it's just keep the wars going on. There's no mission. Our country literally makes war because we have asshole representatives that invest in defense contractors, then feed the defense contractors money, to profit off from that stock. They're total sociopaths.
I don't think Trump will be allowed to run, and even if he does, to win, and EVEN if he does, to be allowed to end the war.
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2023 Sep 23, 8:10pm
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2023 Sep 23, 8:10pm
richwicks says
I see Trump dragging his feet and slow rolling and delaying in a passive aggressive way just the same way Birdbrain Biden is handling border security at the southern border.
If Trump wins there is not much they can do as they already tried impeaching him twice.
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I don't think Trump will be allowed to run, and even if he does, to win, and EVEN if he does, to be allowed to end the war.
I see Trump dragging his feet and slow rolling and delaying in a passive aggressive way just the same way Birdbrain Biden is handling border security at the southern border.
If Trump wins there is not much they can do as they already tried impeaching him twice.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 23, 8:29pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 23, 8:29pm
ad says
I would expect that congress would start doing over-rides on any veto. Really, I think Trump is full of hot air about ending this particular war. They went after him after all for trying to end the Syrian and Afghanistan war, and they were pissed he was trying to end the technical war between North and South Korea.
Seems like the game is to amp up fear constantly, and make up boogeymen, and of course, to start wars.
I seriously knew a person that was afraid of "terrorists invading her kid's school" back in the mid naughts. I've given up, there's no reasoning with these people. They are controlled by fear and propaganda.
If Trump wins there is not much they can do as they already tried impeaching him twice.
I would expect that congress would start doing over-rides on any veto. Really, I think Trump is full of hot air about ending this particular war. They went after him after all for trying to end the Syrian and Afghanistan war, and they were pissed he was trying to end the technical war between North and South Korea.
Seems like the game is to amp up fear constantly, and make up boogeymen, and of course, to start wars.
I seriously knew a person that was afraid of "terrorists invading her kid's school" back in the mid naughts. I've given up, there's no reasoning with these people. They are controlled by fear and propaganda.
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2023 Sep 23, 11:42pm
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2023 Sep 23, 11:42pm
richwicks says
I understand as there are financial conflicts of interests with the military industry (bases, arms manufacturers, shipyards, etc) all over the USA. It makes up a large segment of manufacturing.
Right now military spending is about 3.5% of GDP. I think the minimum requirement for NATO countries is that they spend 2% of GDP on their military.
But essentially NATO is the US military followed by Great Britain. BTW, track Lockheed stock price since the late 1990s.
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Seems like the game is to amp up fear constantly
I understand as there are financial conflicts of interests with the military industry (bases, arms manufacturers, shipyards, etc) all over the USA. It makes up a large segment of manufacturing.
Right now military spending is about 3.5% of GDP. I think the minimum requirement for NATO countries is that they spend 2% of GDP on their military.
But essentially NATO is the US military followed by Great Britain. BTW, track Lockheed stock price since the late 1990s.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 23, 11:51pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 23, 11:51pm
ad says
Why do you believe this?
All the government does is lie. You know this.
I need to find it, I once measured the national debt in terms of what an ounce of gold cost, and what silver cost. I should do the same for oil, sugar, and other commodities. Also had it for terms of what the DJIA was.
GDP means nothing at all. It's just how much money changes hands, it's proportional to the amount of debt people and corporations are in.
Can you show me the raw numbers of military expenditures, and I'll graph it as a percentage of the national debt and national deficit?
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Why do you believe this?
All the government does is lie. You know this.
I need to find it, I once measured the national debt in terms of what an ounce of gold cost, and what silver cost. I should do the same for oil, sugar, and other commodities. Also had it for terms of what the DJIA was.
GDP means nothing at all. It's just how much money changes hands, it's proportional to the amount of debt people and corporations are in.
Can you show me the raw numbers of military expenditures, and I'll graph it as a percentage of the national debt and national deficit?
The Kyiv Post on Thursday tweeted that Sarah Ashton-Cirillo "has become one of the speakers for the Defense Forces," and her work for Ukraine was soon praised in statements from Ukraine's Ministry of Defense and Hanna Mailar, a Ukrainian deputy minister of defense.
"Having been in Ukraine for almost 520 days, in a variety of both civilian and military capacities, more than anything I've come to appreciate the strength and resilience of the Ukrainian people," Ashton-Cirillo told Newsweek in an email.
"Over the last month, as my role has evolved from a zero line infantry soldier to one of the public voices of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, I've become ever more grateful for that strength," she said.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-military-has-new-transgender-spokesperson-1817334