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GNL says

Does the phone number of a business matter?

Phone numbers are just numbers.

Domain name is actually an online name and location.

Read the story about the 1-800-flowers guy. I read a story where he attributed almost all of his success on a phone number.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestreptalks/2017/11/06/how-jim-mccann-built-1-800-flowers-into-a-1-billion-business-and-why-he-thinks-alexa-is-the-future/?sh=3a4cb9567428

GNL says

Read the story about the 1-800-flowers guy. I read a story where he attributed almost all of his success on a phone number.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestreptalks/2017/11/06/how-jim-mccann-built-1-800-flowers-into-a-1-billion-business-and-why-he-thinks-alexa-is-the-future/?sh=3a4cb9567428

Yes it’s a really good business name that he has with the phone number.

Your brand name has everything to do with marketing and sales.

Branding is the first step in marketing and sales.

That’s what wookieman doesn’t get.

He says many names are unrelated to the business but they are many examples of names that clearly describe the business.

1) Facebook
2) YouTube
3) 1-800 Flowers
4) CarGurus.com
5) TrueCars.com
6) PureLeaf.com
7) Footlocker.com
8) Cars.com

All I need to do is search engine optimize CarsByOwner.com to reach page 1 on the search term “cars by owner” and come out with mobile apps for Apple and android.

I just need to hire a SEO agency to rank number 1 on the keyword “cars by owner”

The world is full of naysayers. Especially when someone is climbing. Sad. You do you Robber Baron. Business can be exciting. Lots of ups and downs.

Robber Baron Elite Scum says

I just need to hire a SEO agency to rank number 1 on the keyword “cars by owner”

There ya go. You literally just proved my point in one sentence. The name doesn't matter and you know that. So that's good.

Robber Baron Elite Scum says

Branding is the first step in marketing and sales.

That’s what wookieman doesn’t get.

Unequivocally false on so many levels. The product/service is #1 10,000% of the time. Then it's sales. From there you can use marketing and names to attract business, but if you're failing in the first two your business is toast. Hence why one shouldn't get worked up over a name or domain name.

Go check out the fortune 500 business names. Walmart? Best Buy? That just screams electronic and tech sales.... Amazon, totally would be known as an online retailer by the name.... said no one.

GNL says

I was just making some observations.

Wookie tried to shit on the OP's idea of a business. That's not a shitty/personal thing to do? And he always acts like his word is gold. I'm calling bullshit on all his bullshit.

You didn't make any observations. The guy came to this forum for feedback on a business idea. I gave that. The OP was about a business name/domain and no focus on what the actual business is besides it will somehow sell cars magically because of a domain name. I can think of thousands of domain names and business names. My kids could and they're middle schoolers. Could they run and operate a business, no.

I don't get what is so hard to comprehend here. He's got the domain, AND? Nothing. I could own NBAbetting.com but that doesn't mean I immediately have a online gambling website for the NBA. If you looked at a pie chart of businesses, name/domain is the sliver you can barely even see as far as what makes a successful business. My efforts and work have grossed over $50M in sales over 15 years, but what do I know. I know the value of my advice. Take it or leave it I don't care. If you want the OP to fail, then that's what you're pushing. Hope on a name.

Business isn't a game of feelings. He came to a public forum about something. If he doesn't like the feedback either leave or understand that your approach is massively flawed. I've never once said it couldn't succeed. I'm pointing out that a name is the least of his worries in a massively competitive market for used car sales. Just a name ain't gonna do it.

I'm the great wookie blah blah blah. Just call it WookiesDildos.com because it "literally" doesn't matter. You've done nothing but project. Literally NO ONE SAID a name is all you need.

Robber Baron Elite Scum says

Is it a billion dollar name? Google “Cars By owner” and all the top car companies are
Advertising on that term

Dude, THIS is in the OP. Reading skills are a thing man. There is no actual mention of HOW the business will be run and generate revenue. I'm responding to the post. Nothing I've said is projecting anything. This is a post about a domain name and that's the topic. I'm stating that it doesn't matter, as there's no clear business plan, just a silly name. So no, it's not a billion dollar name or even a $5 name. There's no business to speak of.

I really don't get why you're taking offense to this. It's a simple domain name question and the fact is it doesn't even matter. There's no site. No business plan. Work on that shit first before you even think of a name. You run a business, if you want him to succeed you'd be saying the same things I am. Fact is wookiesdildos.com would probably get more traffic than his site because I'd have a business plan and know how to run it. You're missing the point. And never have I said I'm great or a know it all. I distributing information that has done me well over the years. At no point have I been negative to you or the OP.

You need help. I stuck to his original question. You said a name doesn't matter at all. That is total bullshit. Online isn't the only place a company gets attention. Turn this into a Wookie school of "I know how to run a business and you don't" if you want. Asking if it's a billion dollar name isn't the same as saying the name is all that matters.

Anyway, who cares? This is a deadend.

GNL says

You need help. I stuck to his original question. You said a name doesn't matter at all. That is total bullshit. Online isn't the only place a company gets attention. Turn this into a Wookie school of "I know how to run a business and you don't" if you want.

You read the OP. Please explain how he plans to generate revenue? Be profitable in a highly competitive industry? A domain name? You are living on a different planet. I don't need any help. I'm actually trying to help and not have someone blindly lead down a path to failure. The domain name is the LEAST of the dudes concerns. I think you know that, but just want to argue for some silly reason.

Did he ask you about how to run, start or write a business plan? If I understood correctly, he's in the business. If so, you think he just might know a thing or 2? Just maybe?

Why did diamonds.com sell for 7,000,000? Why did the flower guy hit it big after he got the phone number 1-800-flowers? But but but, you know more than them. Nevermind.

GNL says

Why did diamonds.com sell for 7,000,000? Why did the flower guy hit it big after he got the phone number 1-890-flowers? But but but, you know more than them. Nevermind.

Not because of the name. They provided a service. my pillow is another example. Simple, obvious domain name. He HAD to provide a product people were willing to buy. There are 100's if not 1,000's of used car sources online. THIS name is somehow special and will be the big one? NO. He needs to be able to market and sell cars, quick and for the highest price. The name doesn't matter. You and him are the only ones hung up on this and don't understand.

He at least understands SEO is going to be a big part of it. But if the site can't handle the traffic, if the sales don't happen and negative reviews start rolling in, the name doesn't matter at all. I get a name can be a launching point for an idea, but there doesn't seem to be an actual idea besides a name. You can sell cars on Facebook just as easy. There's no value proposition for anyone to give him a cut of the deal just because of a average domain name. Not sure how much clearer I can be.

It couldn't be more clear that you don't understand some things. Diamonds.com was not a business when it was sold for 7 mmillion. Someone was sitting on it. That brings up another point, if names don't matter why are people sitting on domains?

Why have even successful companies gone through name and logo changes if it doesn't matter? LMAO

GNL says

That brings up another point, if names don't matter why are people sitting on domains?

I'm sitting on at least a dozen. I get your point. BUT, I have zero expectation of them making money for me based off the name alone and I have some good ones. That's what the OP is all about. Domain real estate that's just going to the moon because of the name. That's not how it works and it's not a name that would ever come close to demanding 7 figures without a solid business behind it.

GNL says

Why have even successful companies gone through name and logo changes if it doesn't matter? LMAO

LMAO is right. You ever hear of bad publicity? Think of Monsanto, again another company name that has nothing to do with the product they're selling. What are they called now? Logo changes are 99% nepotism giving family members a trivial task to do. Look at the Walmart logo. A retard on acid could have made that up. Walmart * That's a fucking logo and name. You think that's what made them???

Comparing cars.com to carsbyowner.com is a vastly different game. Until there's a business behind it, it's essentially worthless. Maybe can get another sucker to drop 4-5 figures on it I suppose, but someone can just come up with a better domain. Carvana.com? Yeah, it has car in it, but it doesn't matter. They created a business with a goofy site name. Diamonds.com is a unique, individual word. Carsbyowner is clunky and multiple words. Individual word domains will ALWAYS collect a premium because they're all taken. This domain name is not unique and has nothing backing it.

I'm not sure why you're arguing this so much. With zero evidence you have a valid point and getting into the weeds with personal comments. Maybe take a break. I'm 100% not wrong. The OP needs to rethink his idea if he thinks he has a valuable domain name. It's not without a producing business and even then the name itself is likely worth less than a car. This isn't some game changing domain.

I stopped listening. Until you admit you are wrong by saying "the name literally doesn't matter" you look foolish.

I know of 2 companies that changed their name. No, they didn't do it because of bad publicity. They outgrew the original name.

I had a friend who owned a print shop. Very successful btw. The biz started to go down because the competition caught on to his success. The name of the biz had to change, imo of course, if he was going to right the ship. Why? Because the name was too specific to the competitive advantage he NO LONGER HAD. I stopped lending him money (at 20% interest over 6 months. I did this 4 times with him. Large amounts.) when it became clear he was not going to change the name. He went out of biz 6 months later.

You said you're a business creator. You said you would make wookiesdildos.com a pounding success, correct? With that name, I assume you're going to sell cars or your favorite dildos?

You are right about one thing. I am doing all of this for personal reasons. I believe you are a narcissist. There's only one thing I detest more than a narcissist and that's a pedophile. Narcissists carry almost all of the worst human traits.

GNL says

I know of 2 companies that changed their name. No, they didn't do it because of bad publicity. They outgrew the original name.

Nope. Growth stopped and they didn't know what to do. Business 101 mistake. They didn't fix their problems. That name wasn't what was holding them back.

GNL says

I had a friend who owned a print shop. Very successful btw. The biz started to go down because the competition caught on to his success. The name of the biz had to change, imo of course, if he was going to right the ship. Why? Because the name was too specific to the competitive advantage he NO LONGER HAD. I stopped lending him money (at %20 interest over 6 months. I did this 4 times with him. Large amounts.) when it became clear he was not going to change the name. He went out of biz 6 months later.

This is a failure on your end. You lended money to a losing proposition and you even admit it. I'm not sure why anyone would trust your business acumen at this point in this thread. I don't care what interest rate you got, you threw bad money at a bad business and knew it. You basically screwed a friend over instead of just being honest. Kind of shady. Maybe you're a nice guy, but that's my point in this thread. I'm not going to sugar coat something that someone thinks will be this big lotto ticket in life. It's not.

No business I've assisted in/with has ever failed. Not even remotely even with complete dip shits running them. You profited off a friend while watching them fail. I don't know, that's pretty low, but it ain't my life. I don't have to wake up in the morning with that on my mind. I call shit as I see it. CarByOwner.com is not a winner at this point. I wish him luck, but you've shown your true colors by screwing friends out of money knowing they would lose it with damn near fraudulent interest rates... for a friend. Lol. This keeps getting more hysterical. I'll wait for the next comment... 3.2.1

@wookieman
“cars by owner” is not clunky.

In fact I clearly showed you google trend screenshots that showed it’s what people are searching for.

All the top major companies are advertising under the term “cars by owner”

1800flowers is multiple words and digits.

Toys R Us is Multiple words.

Cars.com compared to CarsByOwner.com is comparable because you clearly claimed that a business name should not describe itself clearly and what business it is in.

Other examples of successful businesses using my name in a similar fashion is RentByOwner.com

And VRBO.com ( Vacation Rentals By Owner)

What about them wookieman? Have no answer, right?

Because you are just a jealous hater who can’t stand someone from this forum is on a billion dollar idea.

GNL clearly described you correctly as a nay sayer.

GNL says

You are right about one thing. I am doing all of this for personal reasons. I believe you are a narcissist. There's only one thing I detest more than a narcissist and that's a pedophile. Narcissists carry almost all of the worst human traits.

CarsByOwner.com will finance pedophiles being brutally beaten up by prison gangs.

I am serious. I also hate pedophiles with a passion.

They deserve having their skull cracked open.

What better way than to pay off prison gang members beating up a pedophile.

RentByOwner.io is listed for over $10k for sale.

RentByOwner.com is one successful listing site.

Explain that wookieman ?

Also VRBO.com is a big company.

I don’t see them as being clunky.

CarsByOwner.com is a winner in my book and many others here agree!

Robber Baron Elite Scum says

RentByOwner.io is listed for over $10k for sale.

$10k??? If that's what you're looking for have fun. I just got 6x's the in my bank account last week. I have no ill will with you RBES, but I'm being realistic and honest with you. Take it or leave it, I don't really care that much, but I'm not a fan of seeing people fail regardless of how you think I'm coming across. I'm not jealous at all. It's your life, I'm telling you the hard truths. Until there's an actual revenue producing business with that name, no one is going to buy the domain for much more than you bought it for. Factor in inflation and you'll likely lose money you could have made instead of a domain name pipe dream.

Again, look up the fortune 500. 90% of domains have nothing to do with the business they're in or keyword search terms. Does it help "potentially" yes. If the business sucks or is non-existent, it doesn't remotely matter. That's been my point. GNL cons friends and loans money to them at 20% knowing the business would fail. I'd be cautious taking advice from someone like that. And then proceeds to say the company failed because of the name. Nope. It failed because they sucked at business and GNL sucked them dry near the end. That's not good people or someone I'd take advice from.

StillsearchingforagoodName says

GNL says

I had a friend who owned a print shop. Very successful btw. The biz started to go down because the competition caught on to his success. The name of the biz had to change, imo of course, if he was going to right the ship. Why? Because the name was too specific to the competitive advantage he NO LONGER HAD. I stopped lending him money (at 20% interest over 6 months. I did this 4 times with him. Large amounts.) when it became clear he was not going to change the name. He went out of biz 6 months later.

Lending to a friend at 20% for 6months? Holy shit, I hope I’ll never have “friends” like you.

'Large amounts' might be a key phrase here.

1337irr says

'Large amounts' might be a key phrase here.

Amounts don't matter. The word friend and large amounts at 20% interest rates is the alarming part. Have the balls to tell your "friend" the ship is sinking, not put more holes in it.

The name didn't sink his friends business. He did. I'd tread lightly with any advice from this one. Literally admits he financed a failure for his own gain and calls the person a friend.... Jesus, I hope to god this is a joke.

StillsearchingforagoodName says

RBES
On your website carsbyowner.com which directs you to https://carsbyowner.io/ you don’t have a single car listed yet.

How are you making money when people start listing their cars on your website? Is it fee based?

You know about the various established websites/apps like Facebook market place, offer up, eBay etc. How are you planning to gain market share and compete against them? What advantage does someone have to list with you versus established sites that have millions of users?

I make money on the instant offer button.

My name “cars by owner” will be search engine optimized to hit page 1 on google on the term “cars by owner”.

People will naturally flock to my website based on search engine results and the name “cars by owner”

CCCP_trollbot says

GNL says

I had a friend who owned a print shop. Very successful btw. The biz started to go down because the competition caught on to his success. The name of the biz had to change, imo of course, if he was going to right the ship. Why? Because the name was too specific to the competitive advantage he NO LONGER HAD. I stopped lending him money (at 20% interest over 6 months. I did this 4 times with him. Large amounts.) when it became clear he was not going to change the name. He went out of biz 6 months later.

Lending to a friend at 20% for 6months? Holy shit, I hope I’ll never have “friends” like you.

He couldn't go to a bank and he accepted the terms. Risk has costs. He also put up collateral of a $100,000 classic car. If I was the only one willing to help him, doesn't that make me a pretty good friend? I gave him advice consolidating and other business practices. I know the printing industry. My father owned a printing machine dealership for many years. I'm talking large multi million $$ machines.

@Wookieman, You're a very sad person wookie wookie. Go sell your favorite dildos unless you're keeping them for yourself.

WookieMan says

This is a failure on your end. You lended money to a losing proposition

You simply are not a smart person in the least. I made money, helped a friend who swore he would recover. This is just more proof of your dishonest nature. I give you 1 or 2 pieces of information and you think you know everything. You're making a complete fool of yourself. I'd pity you but you simply keep doubling and tripling down on stupid. It's an amazing thing to watch someone willing to look foolish over and over again.

Just because all of your endeavors ended as failures doesn't mean everyone else's can't recover from a rough patch. It's called sticktoitiveness. This one just didn't work out. Some have it and others go from one failure to another. Sad sad sad. So sad.

This is the fucking twilight zone. You loaned money at an outrageous interest rate to a “friend” supposedly. A industry you supposedly know and skimmed money off the guy and let his business fail when you supposedly know the business.

Look in the mirror bro. You literally just admitted to crashing a friends business so you could profit yet knew how to run it. Your solution was to change a name because his million dollar printers didn’t work??? lol. This is a joke at this point. You admittedly screwed someone over. Do you not read what you write?

But hey, keep with the personal attacks. Nothing I’ve touched has failed and I certainly don’t screw friends over. You’ve shown your true colors here with this thread. I would never do business with you.

WookieMan says

You loaned money at an outrageous interest rate to a “friend” supposedly. A industry you supposedly know and skimmed money off the guy and let his business fail when you supposedly know the business.

Again you're saying things by projection. Business is business but I don't really expect you to understand that. Help comes in many forms. Not all works out.

WookieMan says

You literally just admitted to crashing a friends business so you could profit yet knew how to run it. Your solution was to change a name because his million dollar printers didn’t work??? lol. This is a joke at this point. You admittedly screwed someone over. Do you not read what you write?

More projection. Btw, projection is a form of lying. Sad sad wookie wookie.

CCCP_trollbot says

Lending to a friend at 20% for 6months? Holy shit, I hope I’ll never have “friends” like you.

You'll know if they're a friend or not by whether they hold a gun to your head or not. If no one else is offering anything better AND you accept it, is it bad? Like I said business is business. But people who don't do business wouldn't understand.

But you'd have no problem charging $3,000/ rent for a home you owned free and clear, correct? What's the return on that? You're a hypocrite.

When I buy a used car, I don’t want to deal with used car dealers.

I would prefer a site that caters to that (private party sales only)

BayArea says

When I buy a used car, I don’t want to deal with used car dealers.

I would prefer a site that caters to that (private party sales only)

I'd love to see an entrepreneur start up an on-site finance office(?) for private sellers and buyers. There's tons of people who still like to deal face to face in the real world vs the internet. But we should probably ask the great wookie wookie first @wookieman because he keeps telling me he knows everything there is to know in the entire universe.

This coming from someone who changes their name every time they change their diapers or has an emotional breakdown. I stand by everything I've said to you...well, everything I've said to at least one of your multiple personalities that is.

You didn't answer my question trollbot.

GNL says

You didn't answer my question trollbot.