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NuttBoxer says

Not to give anyone a pass who is ok with harming children. That includes you. None of those incidents are ok with me.

This is the world you live in. What are you doing to fix it? My guess is nothing. Not a knock, but likely reality. No one does anything but bitch. They bitch about politicians yet do nothing. They bitch about wars yet do nothing. They bitch about their neighbor and do nothing. Get the trend.

Harsh take. I have kids. Guess what, they're fucked outside of what I can control. People in Gaza CAN move regardless of their bull shit claims. People escape extreme situations all the time. Leave. Let Israelis have it all. They will be judged in time and it will not likely be a pleasant ending. I moved out of Chicago because I knew it wasn't safe to raise my kids there. Adults need to adult from time to time. Fuck religion. My kid isn't dying over it and won't.

I don't think there's a panetter that agrees with anyone dying over this stupid shit on BOTH sides. So I'd be cautious of judging anyone here based on their take. There's no winner on either side at this point. Just get the fuck out and realize that the region will be nuclear glass at some point. No American has a pony in this race if they're not living there. Shut the fuck up and let them duke it out. That should be the stance. And yes, kids will die. More die daily in American urban centers than what's happened in 48-72 hours in Isreal. We need to stop worrying about other people's problems.

This captured Hamas terrorist admits they killed everyone, including children.

Oddly, he also admits that this is against the rules in Islam.

https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1712834788116050411

Cui bono? They are not shy to admit it's them:

socal2 says

AmericanKulak says

stereotomy says

Hello WWIII - we'll all die, as well as our children and grandchildren. All you war mongering motherfuckers will get your wish.

Palestine isn't going to cause WW3.

Alot of Patnet -

"You better let all those Russians and Islamists butcher their way around the world without resistance or you will start WWIII you evil warmongers!!"

I didn't want to name names, but yes, you're one of them.

I hope you really don't mean what you say, because I would personally find it horrifying if my last vision, before my eyes were melted by the nuclear fire, would be that of my family writhing in their immolation, all in the cause of "freedom."

I don't think you have kids, because if you did, you'd be concerned about what type of meat grinder the gub'ment is planning to put them in

What happened to the hippy's of the 60's? Where are the peace lovers? Seems like so many people now days have become deranged for blood lust. They justify the worst atrocities by saying it will prevent something worse. This is literally what tyrants have said throughout history.

Stalin, Mao, Lincoln. This is the company you keep if you don't recognize violence against any civilian of any race is bad, and against children is despicable. Now that you've justified harming children if it's your side, you have joined forces with pedos. Abhorrent and shameful.

Self defense is always justified, nothing beyond that. Shelling Donbass, not self defense. Bombing Gaza, not self defense. Allowing raids over your secure border in order to justify genocide of people you hold captive, not self defense.

The people saying the Maui fire was a setup are mostly people from Maui. Those saying the Saturday attack was a false flag, mostly Jews in Israel.

Find a single independent source that agrees with you, someone who's been reporting the truth for years. Or admit you've been psyoped, and get help before they have you slurping roaches and taking your 27th booster.

NuttBoxer says

What happened to the hippy's of the 60's? Where are the peace lovers? Seems like so many people now days have become deranged for blood lust. They justify the worst atrocities by saying it will prevent something worse. This is literally what tyrants have said throughout history.

Are you not entertained?

NuttBoxer says

What happened to the hippy's of the 60's?

They became bankers, lawyers, lobbyists, bureaucrats, realtors, businessmen/women,…...

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

NuttBoxer says

What happened to the hippy's of the 60's?

They became bankers, lawyers, lobbyists, bureaucrats, realtors, businessmen/women,…...

They experienced the inflation of the 70's, and the failure of their "communes," and the end of "free love" once they got their "main squeeze" pregnant (this was before Roe vs. Wade) and stuck with her. Once the 'Nam was over, what was left to fight over, except ERA, which perished in hellfire during the Great Inflation of the 1970's.

That inflation along with "the pill," more than anything else, changed our society, much like the more traumatic hyperinflation in the Weimar German Republic after WWI. We went from largely single-earner households to dual-earner households. I was fortunate to have a stay-at-home-mom. I remember the public service commercials that would run from 3 pm to 5 pm (when the latchkey kids were home from school but the parents were still at work). Commercials like "We're not Candy," which warned latchkey kids not to play around and grab shit from the medicine shelf because they were simply hungry. Less blatant messages were from Schoolhouse Rock, with "I hanker for a Hunk of Cheese" - this instructed latchkey kids to take crackers and cheese to fill their stomachs until their parents came home to make or order a more satisfying meal.

Remember all the child abduction horror stories (Etan Patz, Adam Walsh) and the terrors about poisoned Tylenol and homemade Halloween Candy? This was designed to terrorize the boomers and shut in their kids. I remember as the last generation, Gen X, to be set loose upon the neighborhood - we had the freedom of the streets - we could walk or ride our bikes as far as we wanted; just get back for lunch and dinner (in the summer). We would run in packs like wild dogs, and we always knew the way home.
 
I don't think boomer parents have really levelled with their kids about what they sacrificed in terms of family and the raising of their own children to deal with the massive 70's inflation. They will probably never admit the guilt they felt for failing in the most elementary way - do you remember your child's first few years of life? No, they don't, but grandparents, babysitters, and other childcare workers do.

stereotomy says

I don't think you have kids, because if you did, you'd be concerned about what type of meat grinder the gub'ment is planning to put them in

I have kids, one is nearing draft age. I have lots of friends and work colleagues that are currently serving or have served in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 20 years.

I married into a wonderful Jewish family (I'm Catholic) - so I am not down with Islamists, Commies and Anti-Semites. I recall how shocked I was several years ago when I first took my kids to the JCC pre-school and seeing all of the sophisticated fences and security guards around the school. So sad Jews have to live this way even in America because of Islamists and Western anti-Semite conspiracy assholes.

Have lots of Jewish friends and acquaintances that were able to get out of Russia and Iran in the last 3 decades - so I don't suffer from the retarded revisionist history the Putin and Islamist boosters are pitching here at Patnet.

The USSR and the KGB are responsible for turning this tiny border dispute into armageddon (and the advent of modern Islamic terrorism) by their propaganda and support of the Palestinians as a way to try and form a divide in the West.

And lots of folks here at Patnet are eager to be lead by the nose by Russia and Islamists to muddy the waters, just as they are being lead by the nose by US Democrats and our corrupt Media to go all MAGA and lose a winnable election.

^^^^ This is a much more expansive answer - I've tried to properly quote but it seems the quoting feature is screwed up.

I too have a son that is a few years from draft age. I've interacted and dated Jews myself. Ultimately, I chose a wife who shared the faith I was raised in. We are both non-practicing as far as attending services, but I always remember Jesus' advice, "When any two are gathered in my name, I am among them."

Humanity, in the absence of a full-on nuclear "exchange," will abide. So will the Earth. I am slowly learning to detach from agitprop. All we can do is teach our children to learn from our mistakes, and try, by example, to learn how to get past them and perhaps even rectify them.

Peace, brother.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

NuttBoxer says

What happened to the hippy's of the 60's?

They became bankers, lawyers, lobbyists, bureaucrats, realtors, businessmen/women,…...

This ^^

NuttBoxer says

What happened to the hippy's of the 60's? Where are the peace lovers? Seems like so many people now days have become deranged for blood lust.

Oh, they were for peace when their government was shoving them into the meat grinder.

Once they were no longer subject to having the government send them off to be killed in a pointless war, they lost their zeal for "peace".

I give the boomer generation a lot of shit, and this is the exact reason why. They didn't have principles at all. They never supported peace, they support their self preservation and they don't care about the younger generations a bit, not at all.

socal2 says

I have kids, one is nearing draft age. I have lots of friends and work colleagues that are currently serving or have served in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 20 years.

I fucking dare you to ask them why those wars were for, and how fighting them advantaged the United States.

They are glorified thugs. Murderers for hire.

I was raised by my Mom most of my life, she didn't work outside the house until high school. My daughters have all been raised by their mother. And we've taught them all better than we were taught. Wars are bullshit, hatred is self-sabotaging. Governments are mostly evil.

"If someone takes your cloak, give him your tunic as well. If he forces you to walk a mile with him, walk two. Love those who hate you, pray for those who persecute you."

- Jesus

NuttBoxer says

What happened to the hippy's of the 60's? Where are the peace lovers

They went to get grad degrees in the 70s and early 80s, read Foucault, Fanon, and Marcuse, and became Post-Modern Academics who churned out Wokies.

They became the Yuppies of the 80's and sold everyone out they could. They helped the Neocons create Globalization.

The ones that didn't turn into Yuppies, grew up and had families and toiled to make a living. The Yuppies of Yesteryear, are professors mind fucking the kids into blaming their parents as the bad Boomers.

And the one's that never did grow up, peaked at 16, and are still kids trapped in a 70 to 80 year old's body and have been discarded by society. Most are homeless or the ward of a family member or the state.

Israel's commitment to indiscriminate bombing fucked them over with the hospital. I've avoided watching most of this, but saw a little last night. Don't want to see anymore. Just want it to end.

Peace for Israeli people, peace for Palestinian's, death to tyrannical governments.

Tenpoundbass says

mind fucking the kids into blaming their parents as the bad Boomers

That explains it, more divide and conquer.

NuttBoxer says

Israel's commitment to indiscriminate bombing fucked them over with the hospital.

Do you suppose the same garbage Media that totally fucked up the Gaza hospital story instantly blaming it on the Jews might (just might?) have fucked up alot of other Palestinian sob stories over the course of the decades - leading you to believe that Israel does "indiscriminate bombing"?

For a dude that seem super skeptical about all Western government's claims, you seem to chug down our Media's anti-Israel biased reporting without much skepticism.

socal2 says

Do you suppose the same garbage Media that totally fucked up the Gaza hospital story instantly blaming it on the Jews might (just might?) have fucked up alot of other Palestinian sob stories over the course of the decades - leading you to believe that Israel does "indiscriminate bombing"?

Do you know why the Hamas incursion was being called the "Al-Aqsa Flood"?it's because several HUNDRED Jewish Rabbis entered the Al-Aqsa Mosque just to piss off the Palestinians

Hear that anywhere in our pro Palestinian news? You'd think they would report on the provocation that started this, but they only kept the name of the operation.

richwicks says

Do you know why the Hamas incursion was being called the "Al-Aqsa Flood"?it's because several HUNDRED Jewish Rabbis entered the Al-Aqsa Mosque just to piss off the Palestinians

Yes some radical Muslims and radical Jews were fighting over access to a holy site. It was big news with the mainstream media including showing edited video of IDF beating back radical Muslims on loop.

And Hamas decided to butcher 1,400 human beings in cold blood in response.

Totally proportional!

socal2 says

Yes some radical Muslims and radical Jews were fighting over access to a holy site. It was big news with the mainstream media including showing edited video of IDF beating back radical Muslims on loop.

The Mosque is regularly used by Muslims. It's no more used by Jews than they use a Christian church.

It would be like if a Christian Church was overrun by Muslims

That was the spark that started this fire.

If our media wanted to support the Palestinians in this, all they need to do is report the truth. When I was a young adult I remember our media claimed settlements were bulwarks to protect Israel against Palestinians. Of course they NEVER showed a map of where settlements exactly were, because they were lying about it

Does our news media ever mention only Jews are allowed in settlements? That there are roads ONLY Jews can drive on?

No.

Our media is fucking garbage, and the only reason people know anything about the situation is the internet.

I'm glad they lied about COVID for years. Fucking trash whores. They ONLY produce government approved propaganda. Our shit media only does this, and you laughable believe they are biased for the Palestinians? Just, laughably stupid

Patrick says

Oddly, he also admits that this is against the rules in Islam.

Its mandatory in Islam to lie, deceive, steal and if possible kill Kafirs as per their book Islamic hadith.

Blue says

Patrick says

Oddly, he also admits that this is against the rules in Islam.

Its mandatory in Islam to lie, deceive, steal and if possible kill Kafirs as per their book Islamic hadith.

its a cult mindset , just more brutal than Scientology with its "jihad" strategy

so yes, its "by any means necessary" and "the ends justify the means"

but you notice the Muslim militants don't dare take on the more brutal Chicoms

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https://www.euphoricrecall.net/p/the-real-misinformation-merchants?r=6gdz

By now you’ve probably heard that there was an explosion Tuesday night at the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza. Hamas immediately claimed that it was the result of an Israeli airstrike, and that some 500 people had been killed.

Right away there were many reasons why any journalist should be skeptical. It is well known that Israel doesn’t target hospitals—so well known, in fact, that Hamas literally has its headquarters at a hospital. And it would obviously be extremely unwise for Israel to drop a bomb on a hospital — especially on the eve of President Biden’s visit — considering the monumental public relations victory it would hand Hamas during a time when many people around the globe aren’t exactly on the side of the Jewish state.

Moreover, Hamas has a long record of lying1 about munitions aimed at Israel that misfire and end up landing within Gaza. The terrorist organization fires a wide variety of rockets and mortar bombs, with some produced domestically that are effectively “homemade” from old water pipes. Unsurprisingly, the failure and malfunction rate of such ordnance is high. Back in the summer of 2022, Hamas tempers flared at Islamic Jihad over rocket attacks that killed Palestinian civilians. A year earlier, in 2021, Human Rights Watch investigated a barrage of rockets landing on both sides of the border and concluded that, “Munitions apparently directed toward Israel that misfired and fell short killed and injured an undetermined number of Palestinians in Gaza.”

It's like the Hebrews - don't charge interest except to goyim. Similar, but more extreme, with muslims - don't rape, kill, or enslave your fellow muslim or his family, but any infidel, well then . . .

ad says

but you notice the Muslim militants don't dare take on the more brutal Chicoms

There is one good thing about Chicoms is that they are brutal and far ahead of their game. They are also able to control both West, Middle-East "media". That is why they do not talk about it.

Here's the dilemma:

If you are part of a tight group in which each member can safely trust all the others, there is no limit to the possible accomplishments of that group, because people helping each other are exponentially more effective than individuals.

But if you are part of such a group, you are also probably going to piss off everyone else and they're going to try to kill you. Similar story with the Armenians.

Some exceptions: the Parsis and the Amish. See https://patrick.net/post/1346373/2022-06-26-optimal-antisemitism

ad says

but you notice the Muslim militants don't dare take on the more brutal Chicoms

Most Americans don't really understand the mindset that exists.

Sunnis don't care about the Shia. They're both "Muslim" but 99% of them would say the other isn't Muslim.

Patrick says

It is well known that Israel doesn’t target hospitals—so well known, in fact, that Hamas literally has its headquarters at a hospital.

I call BS on this. What hospital, what floor?

IDF attempted to nasay this by posting a video claiming to show rockets came from Gaza, but timestamp was 40 minutes after the bombing. They've walked back or deleted everything they put out trying to blame Palestine. Or watch the NY Times article title morph to fit US Zionist agenda. I will provide links if people are genuinely having trouble finding info, but I prefer you do your own research.

richwicks says

I call BS on this. What hospital, what floor?

https://www.opindia.com/2023/10/how-hamas-hides-behind-civilians-gaza-biggest-hospital-al-shifa-also-served-as-hq-for-terrorists/

The Al Shifa Hospital has been the headquarters for Hamas terrorists. The Washington Post in 2014 reported that Al Shifa Hopital had become the “de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders who can be seen in the hallways and offices”.

For example.

Patrick says

https://www.opindia.com/2023/10/how-hamas-hides-behind-civilians-gaza-biggest-hospital-al-shifa-also-served-as-hq-for-terrorists/

So I started tracing sources. Here's one:

https://www.opindia.com/2023/10/how-hamas-hides-behind-civilians-gaza-biggest-hospital-al-shifa-also-served-as-hq-for-terrorists/

The Israelis are so sure about the location of the Hamas bunker, however, not because they are trying to score propaganda points, or because it has been repeatedly mentioned in passing by Western reporters—but because they built it. Back in 1983, when Israel still ruled Gaza, they built a secure underground operating room and tunnel network beneath Shifa hospital—which is one among several reasons why Israeli security sources are so sure that there is a main Hamas command bunker in or around the large cement basement beneath the area of Building 2 of the Hospital, which reporters are obviously prohibited from entering.

Tell me, you ever get the feeling that our "leaders" don't work for the interest of the United States and actively work against the interests of the public, using foreign enemies like the Soviet Union, China, "terrorists", Russia - whatever, to keep people obedient?

I don't think any nation is any different.

According to source articles, Israel built it, Israel has the plans for it, and Israel knows precisely where it is. So... Why do they do nothing about it? We know that Hamas was funded by Israel...

Jews definitely charge interest to each other.

Also, Maddoff's victims were overwhelmingly and disproportionately Jewish like himself. Most scammers rip off their own; Ponzi's largest group of rubes were Italians, at least at first.

So far over a thousand children(mostly Palestinian) have died as a result of this false flag.

NuttBoxer says

So far over a thousand children(mostly Palestinian) have died as a result of this false flag.

Do we really know if it was a false flag?

IF I am to believe what I'm hearing, more than a dozen places in the fence were open for over 7 hours, and the IDF was ordered to stand down. This is according to somebody that CLAIMS to be an Israeli that monitored the fence in the 1990s.

https://twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1712765108907135217

It's all speculation, and who do you trust?

IF I am to believe what I'm hearing, many people in Israeli suspect this attack was purposely allowed to happen, but it's so easy to be misinformed about what the public thinks during a conflict.

richwicks says

NuttBoxer says

So far over a thousand children(mostly Palestinian) have died as a result of this false flag.

Do we really know if it was a false flag?

Do we really know a 1000 Pali children have really died?

Eric Holder says

Do we really know a 1000 Pali children have really died?

No, we don't.

A common tactic ALWAYS used in an Israeli / Palestinian conflict is to put out false information that is first blamed on Israel, and then is later said to be a result of the Palestinians. The hospital is one example in this conflict. There's always atrocity propaganda as well, that's the "40 beheaded babies".

If you question something that the Israel says the Palestinians did, you're called anti-Semite and said to support the Palestinians, if you believe the Palestinians, you're called a fool and a terrorist sympathizer. It's always a no win situation.

There is always TONS of false information produced, and I don't know which sides do it, but I know that Israel has a much more sophisticated propaganda operation than the Palestinians do. I have learned to trust nothing when it's ongoing, and to evaluate it afterward. We'll know the body count in a few months, and I expect it might be staggering, but time will tell.

The true score of the calamity will only be known when things settle down, and that might be quite a while in this case. If water and food are really cut off to Gaza, there's going to be chaos, murder, possibly even cannibalism. Water is the main problem I would think, but again, time will tell.