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Tenpoundbass says

This whole who was there first is stupid. The people who were affected by the Jews being settled and the formation of Israel are long dead. Or over 96 years old.

What you said would normally be true in any other parts of the world, except in this case: when the Rothschilds financed the founding of the Zionist state, the explicit justification was the Right of Return, and limited to only the "returnees"; instead of setting up an International Free Territory welcoming all-comers fleeing from political/racial persecution, it was explicitly set up to be a state for the "returnees" only and justified it as a "returnees"-only state, driving out non-returnees, in effect excluding even the descendants of Torah Jews and Biblical Jews who stayed and nominally converted to Christianity and Islam while continuing Torah-based local traditions (aka "Palestinians"). Even the Jews who stayed (not "returnees" from Europe) were second class citizens. The population displacement policy is on-going: new settlements are being carved out in West Bank for alleged Jews from Russia (and other parts of the world), being funded by Likud, Natenyahu's party. That's why I don't agree with your analysis of Natenyahu. He is very much a core part of the Deep State, the same Deep State that founded Hamas, destroyed Beirut, and stole the election in 2020, as well as behind 10-7 and 9-11. They are doing the banksters' bidding to kill bank account holders, which means trying to kill a lot of Israelis and Jews in the long run; that's why they are behaving so blatantly to antagonize everyone in the world who is not suffering from the narscisistic superiority complex.

Tenpoundbass says

What Hillary did to Libya and what Obama did to Syria, and George Bush did to Afghanistan and Iraq, is what everyone should be upset about.
They turned them into Gaza.

Agree with you, and add to the list: Lebanon/Beirut, and Gaza itself. Lebanon/Beirut used to be "Paris of the Middleast" with a prosperous mix of adherents of all three religions (while the Christians were in charge of the coastal government and the capital); then chaos was unleashed on the country. Gaza and Palestine also used to be a relatively peaceful with co-existing Jews, Christians and Muslims (all three were mostly descendants of the Torah Jews and Biblical Jews), then the "Right of Return" was invented to displace those who never left, in the name of bringing them a new and modern society. Well, they had a decent modern society in Lebanon and in Palestine before the arrival of the modern equivalent of the Sea People (12th century BC reference) and what was essentially "modern" racism from Nazi Germany (with an appetite for "lebensraum" for the "volks"). Comes to think of it, with the refugees their policies generate, they are turning Paris, Chicago and NYC into Gaza and Beirut!

AmericanKulak says

It's not the extremist viewpoint among the Arabs. There should be no Israel is their viewpoint, and Hebrews should pay the Jizya and be second class citizens IF they are allowed to remain is the vast majority South Syrian Arab viewpoint.

Is Jizya being collected in Syria? Is Jizya being collected in Lebanon? Is Jizya being collected in Egypt? Is Jizya being collected in Iran? None of them are collecting Jizya. There are around 8000 Jews living in Iran now, and they are not facing Jizya. The only states / pseudo-states even tried collecting Jizya in the last half century were Isis and Pakistani Taliban (before Taliban took over Afghan); what do they have in common? Both were/are founded/funded by western intelligence; can you say "controlled-opposition"?

Before the invention of banks creating money out of thin air to fund governments, Jizya was actually a very effective way of ensuring governments protecting (wealthy) religious minorities: because the government's finances depend on the income. Contrasting this with the alternative: slaughtering the wealthy minority (and everyone else with any money) for money (e.g. Mongols and Crusaders), it's actually relatively enlightened. The current modern tragedy seems to be that: while Jizya has been stopped, the business of governments slaughtering people for money (wiping out liabilities on behalf of banks holding the victims' deposits) hasn't.

Reality says

So you are saying you support the building of this world government

No I do not. But it is happening.

Reality says

Hamas, which was originally founded by Israeli intelligence.

Well, blowback is a bitch. But Gaza is still a household of terrorists. I don’t know any terrorists personally. But if I lived it Gaza my neighbors would be terrorists, because the neighborhoods are run by terrorists.

Reality says

according to the scriptures, the (re)building of Israel, the temple in Jerusalem and the world government would signify the end of the world!

No the rebuilding of the temple is a precursor to the return of Christ. It does not signify the end of the world, but rather a new beginning, with the millennial kingdom of Revelation to follow.

Reality says

it's quite outrageous to witness a largely atheistic population of mostly European and North Asian origin (with a splash of Jewish blood) pretend they are entitled to kill and evict a population that had far more and far deeper Jewish ancenstry who had never left their ancestral land.

Like I said, the true Jewish people are the ones seeking to rebuild the temple. Dark hair ain’t got nothing to do with it,

Reality says

Is Jizya being collected in Syria? Is Jizya being collected in Lebanon? Is Jizya being collected in Egypt? Is Jizya being collected in Iran? None of them are collecting Jizya. There are around 8000 Jews living in Iran now, and they are not facing Jizya. The only states / pseudo-states even tried collecting Jizya in the last half century were Isis and Pakistani Taliban (before Taliban took over Afghan); what do they have in common? Both were/are founded/funded by western intelligence; can you say "controlled-opposition"?

Non-Muslims are Dhimmis, second class citizens, often refused service in the military, have extra taxes, and need permission to build or repair holy sites. ISIS, Hamas, the Taliban, and others collect the formal Jizya; modern Arab states like Egypt have other methods. Almost every single Arab Muslim country bans conversion FROM Islam. For example, Muslims cannot become Christians in Egypt by law:
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/a-timeless-struggle-copts-in-egypt/

Lebanon is very complex but if you're a Christian, as a huge minority is, good luck ever getting a leadership position in the military thanks to Hezbollah. Christians are persecuted heavily in Lebanon, in fact, the Lebanese Civil War began when the PLO, then forced into Lebanon by Arab Muslim political parties, began harassing Christian Churches.
https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/05/25/the-persecution-of-christians-in-lebanon/

The famous Damour Massacre by the PLO of Christians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damour_massacre

Fatah, Hezbollah are devoted to the extirpation of Christianity in Lebanon and the full restoration of total Dhimmitude there.
https://civilsociety-centre.org/sir/clashes-between-plo-and-kataeb-near-tal-el-zaatar-and-dekwaneh

The Western Press refuses to publicize the fact that the Lebanese Civil War began because the PLO tilted the scale towards Arab Supremacy and Militancy against Christians there.

Reality says

There are around 8000 Jews living in Iran now, and they are not facing Jizya.

Go see how many were living in Iraq and Algeria. WERE.

Rebuilding the temple is not promoting a global government. The globalists hate fundamentalist believers such as those that want to rebuild the temple. But the satanists will take the opportunity to embarrass the Jewish people and destroy the temple after it is rebuilt. Then Jesus will return and save the survivors who repent and turn to Him as their Savior. The rebuilding of the the temple is not Satanic. But Satan will take advantage of the opportunity to declare himself god. It’s going to be the most ugly time to be alive. But you don’t have to be here to witness it. All believers will be rescued before that time arrives. You can be a part of the rescue. https://patrick.net/post/1378973/2023-04-02-the-rapture-thread?start=54

Reality says

So you are saying you support the building of this world government (and the temple in Jerusalem) because you think it is a trap for ensnaring all the satanists?

What city is the Antichrist's headquarters? It's not Jerusalem.

Reality says

As for Balfour Declaration,

https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/israel-zionism/2017/06/the-forgotten-truth-about-the-balfour-declaration.

Great Britain moved its occupation out and left control of the land of Israel/Palestine to a new government. The new government took control in 1947-48. That government exists today, it is the Israeli government, the only legitimate government in Palestine/Israel. Palestine is not a government it is a territory. The government is Israel. But don’t take my word for it, take the UN’s word and the many many nations who recognized it in 1948. And now even Saudi Arabia and the other Arab nations are making nice with Israel. It’s the Gaza terrorists who want to stop the peace negotiations, because they won’t stop fighting until Israel is no more. But they will fail because Israel will not be defeated, God will rescue them in miraculous fashion.

What part of Iranian-Syrian-Russian propaganda don't you believe?

For example, I notice alot of MintPress or MintPress-by-Proxy (Dawson) readers whinging about Houthis, who raided into Saudi Arabia and are Iranian backed. That's what started the current fight down there.

Alot of people repeat bullshit about the Shah, who was America's best friend in the Middle East and a modernizer and Iran was never richer or more powerful than under his rule. The Ayatollahs murdered thousands of kids in the late 80s that were children of opposition groups - by killed I mean not by bombing, but by taking them out of their houses and killing them, killed almost 200k teenagers sending them unarmed but for sticks into iraqi minefields, etc.

Hezbollah was formed to crush Christian power in Lebanon, Israel focus came after. Hezbollah's creation was inspired by the Iranian Revolution and the power to toss out "Westernization" which in Lebanon were the Christians.

All the MintPress readers can tell you (correctly) that Hamas was formed (in an attempt to weaken Fatah/PLO) by Israel. Most of them aren't told by their Irano-Syriac-Russian propaganda machines why Hezbollah was formed.

There are so many Tudeh/Shi'a Radicals/CAIR types being allowed into this country and operate unmolested. It's no coincidence that the Two Lovebirds, Strzok and Page, either were raised in Teheran (Strzok) or are children of Iranians (Page) and both speak Fluent Farsi.

Once you see the Iranian-CAIR influence, you can't unsee it. Esp. in the Obama's 3rd term.

Reality says

Natenyahu. He is very much a core part of the Deep State,

On this we agree. But the “religion of peace” is the reason there will never be peace in the Middle East until Christ returns. If Gaza wanted peace they would not be firing rockets or attacking Israel.

PeopleUnited says

Great Britain moved its occupation out and left control of the land of Israel/Palestine to a new government. The new government took control in 1947-48. That government exists today, it is the Israeli government, the only legitimate government in Palestine/Israel.

Sorry @PeopleUnited.

The British left all their heavy weapons with the Kingdom of Jordan and left the country without settling anything, figuring the Arabs would drive the Jews to the sea (the "River to Sea" genocide phrase comes from that era).

The UN recognized Israel, then multiple Arab armies attacked, each seeking to add Fakestine to their territory. The Israelis pulled off a miracle and fought off 5 Arab Armies that outnumbered them in planes, tanks, etc. in both quantity and quality (a dozen old BF-109s against dozens of new Spitfires; no tanks at all against Cromwells and upgunned Shermans; a few stolen Enfields against hundreds of Sterling SMGs and Bren Guns).

East Palestine, aka Jordan, WAS created by the British from 2/3rd of the Mandate, for Arabs only - Jews were explicitly banned from living there, in 1922. The Jordanians seized Judea and Samaria ("West Bank" if you're King Hussein sitting in Amman) with their Arab Legion led by British volunteers kinda-sorta-not-but really working for the British Government that didn't want an Israel. Syria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia all tried to take a piece.

So before 1947, the Arab Muslims already got exclusive ~77% of Palestine just for Arab Muslims, no Jews allowed east of the Dan River.

At war end Gaza was controlled by the Egyptians and flew the Egyptian flag and never revolted against Egypt, since it's not about Arab Palestinians, but Arab Supremacy not allowing non-Muslim Arabs to rule anywhere in the Middle East(like in Lebanon), and Jordan controlled Judea-Samaria.

Israel TRIED to give Gaza back to Egypt but the Egyptians don't want it as the Gazans help ISIS in the Sinai and terror attacks in Egypt, so it gives them an excuse to have a 3-layer wall with Gaza.

Propaganda Repeaters aren't told that Gaza shares a non-Israeli border with Egypt, so why is it never open but locked shut? Because the Egyptians don't want Palestinians entering Egypt and attacking tourists at the Pyramids or Red Sea Resorts with their Hamas Islamicist Terror.

When Arabs say Israel "occupies" Gaza and West Bank, they lie. Gaza and West Bank were taken from Egypt and Jordan, not from a "Palestinian State".

And in fact, the 1964 KGB-sponsored PLO constitution says that Gaza and West Bank BELONG to Egypt and Jordan. So when Palestinians say just those, they are lying. They want the whole thing.

Israel offered to only keep Tel Aviv and a few miles around, not even Jerusalem, and that was refused by Arabs, too back in the 1940s.

Kidnaped kid for convicted terrorist. Aka "Prisoner Exchange"



And of course since the adult on the right was "18", she'll be referred to in Leftist and Irano-Syrian Propaganda Mouthpiece as "Israel imprisons teenagers"

AmericanKulak says

The British left all their heavy weapons with the Kingdom of Jordan and left the country without settling anything, figuring the Arabs would drive the Jews to the sea (the "River to Sea" genocide phrase comes from that era).

The UN recognized Israel, then multiple Arab armies attacked, each seeking to add Fakestine to their territory. The Israelis pulled off a miracle and fought off 5 Arab Armies that outnumbered them in planes, tanks, etc. in both quantity and quality (a dozen old BF-109s against dozens of new Spitfires;

During the First World War, long before 1947, Britain signaled that they were going to leave the land known as Palestine (which is part of Israel that God told the children of Israel was theirs to occupy indefinitely). So when they left off occupation of Palestine it left a void in government/control of the region. The government that stepped in to that void exists today. It is called Israel. Yes the size/ borders of Israel have changed just like the borders of the United States and other nations have changed over time, the result of wars (started by Arabs primarily) new settlements just like manifest destiny in the USA, and treaties/unwritten agreements between nations and other powers that be. It is miraculous that a nation so hated by its neighbors and so outmatched in numbers, and armaments could fight off multiple enemies. Only by divine intervention could they achieve statehood and defend their state from such vicious attacks. But they did and will continue to do so until Christ returns.

Chances are decent that people alive today will someday miraculously see Israel expand its current footprint to occupy the full extent of the land known as “the promised land”. God specifically promised this land to Abraham’s descendants, and this promise was passed on through Jacob (aka Israel) and the children of Israel. Genesis 15:18 (From the Nile to the Euphrates. Probably includes all of Jordan and part of Syria all the way up to Turkey with parts of Iraq, Saudi Arabia and of course Egypt. But this might not happen until Jesus returns.

PeopleUnited says

During the First World War, long before 1947, Britain signaled that they were going to leave the land known as Palestine (which is part of Israel that God told the children of Israel was theirs to occupy indefinitely)

Yep, but the Mandate was a custodial responsibility: The British already took it upon themselves to give 3/4 of it to the Arabs as Jordan. They refused to divide the remaining quarter and just quit - leaving their heavy equipment deliberately in the hands of Jordan, who owed them for their creation.

And I'm an Anglophile.

Compare this with Malaya(sia), where the British refused to quit the country until the Communist Insurgency had been eliminated in the 1950s.

AmericanKulak says

The British already took it upon themselves to give 3/4 of it to the Arabs as Jordan.

Well the British didn’t see the value in keeping their occupation going and they wisely extricated themselves from the region. But, as we know the only recognized and defensible right any government has to claim control of a territory is political/military might.

Israel exists today as a testament to the political/military might of its people, and their God. Stay tuned because the final act in the story that began in Genesis and ends in Revelation is about to happen!