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NuttBoxer says

So your logic Israeli government builds this giant fucking wall, installs sensors, monitor the shit out of everything, then leaves for six hours? I'm guessing you're also fine with the complete stand down of the Air Force on 9/11...

Most of the Gaza "Wall" is just a very hair chain link fence and barbed wire, about 90km of it. Only the road entrance points are the concrete walls with the towers.

There was a draftee who did her service last year saying the systems were constantly in need of repair and it took days to repair them and they never caught up with the maintenance.

Also, it was a weekend and a Holiday morning - equivalent of Easter Sunday, and Hamas launched thousands of rockets in the early morning. The skeleton crew keeping an eye was probably exhausted at that point and I bet the handful of soldiers on duty were busy policing up rocket parts and checking for damage, way early on that holiday morning, which is why it took so long to get them back to base and concentrated to deploy out.

This happened before in 1973 but with an entire army. No intel service is perfect.

ad says

I have no idea what you are trying to state in your post.

I am saying it was set up to be weak. I think they got lazy and/or incompetent or just too complacent and let their guard down in those kibbutz near Gaza.

Can I simplify? Ok, you build this giant super secure vault to store your money in. It's got timers, 15 key alpha-numeric code, the works. You hire a big ass security guard, and build a super secure wall around it, sensors in the ground to monitor for digging. Guys in towers on the wall to watch for aerial attempts, the works. Then you tell all the guards not t to show up to work, and leave the vault door, and door in the wall wide open. Who do you blame, the dude who takes your money, or you?

I don't think what I said was too hard for your to grasp the first time. Have you considered you may be in denial and therefore blinded to the truth?

What Hamas REALLY Want - Sam Harris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ12NS137wE

If I had a nickle for every person that said we needed to prevent violence with violence, I'd be a rich man these past few weeks. I don't understand why people don't see how ludicrous this outlook is. The Pre-Cogs walk among us!

NuttBoxer says

If I had a nickle for every person that said we needed to prevent violence with violence, I'd be a rich man these past few weeks.

So you are a defund the police advocate too? Police have to use violence all the time to prevent greater violence.

How has that worked out for US cities and minority populations?

Israeli government knowingly shelled their own people on October 7th. According to an Israeli who survived, again Hamas treated them well, and only intended to kidnap them, not kill them.

This was never saving or protecting the Israeli people, ONLY about the Israeli state(government). If you can't see that at this point...

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

Using defunding the police to create chaos in American cities and statistically kill Americans only worked because some Americans had surrendered god-given right of self-defense to the police and allowed the government to disarm law-abiding city dwellers. Likewise, the Zionists used the Wall to disarm Israelis, and then could stand-down the Wall and its defenses at a moment's notice to let in mass-murderers roam among disarmed Israeli civilians.

No amount of funding for police would be able to prevent bankster agents occupying government offices to tell police to stand-down! What's needed is a good hanging of those agents who gave stand-down orders!

NuttBoxer says

Israeli government knowingly shelled their own people on October 7th. According to an Israeli who survived, again Hamas treated them well, and only intended to kidnap them, not kill them.

Reality says

Likewise, the Zionists used the Wall to disarm Israelis, and then could stand-down the Wall and its defenses at a moment's notice to let in mass-murderers roam among disarmed Israeli civilians.

Evidence for this? Shrapnel wounds? The location of the batteries? How this happened in a close-knit country?

Reality says

disarm Israelis

I'm still shocked that all those Israelis were disarmed. When did that happen?

I was there a long time ago, but it seemed like every other Israeli had a gun.

Patrick says

Reality says

disarm Israelis

I'm still shocked that all those Israelis were disarmed. When did that happen?

I was there a long time ago, but it seemed like every other Israeli had a gun.

It is my understanding that the rave party and kibitz’s were primarily left wing peace activist types of Israelis.

Another 'older' video that reveals not all Jews are in lock step with the oppressive policies of the Zionists. Flash forward to today, and these same Orthodox Rabbis still maintain their same stand, and, suffer persecution by the Zionist State for that.

Orthodox Jewish Rabbis protest 42 years of 1967 Israel's seizure of the West Bank and Gaza.



View short video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9msgL2udHs4

Back in the day Zionists would have disappeared them.

IDF border surveillance saying they reported suspicious activity for months before October, and higher-ups purposely ignored it. A good reminder that not everyone is "in" on every false flag, and there are good people in any organization.

The Israeli people should round up these traitors and murderers, and force them into north Gaza so they can die by their own bombs.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-warned-of-hamas-activity-on-gaza-border-for-months-before-oct-7/

One ponders if there isn't some deception of the deceivers going on here. British lease almost expired? Have the neocon infiltrators and name stealers been assured that America will step in to Israel's pending three front war? What if those field commanders with all the fleets stand idly by instead and only take on fleeing citizens and war refugees?

By any observation, Biden et alia can only send mercenaries and equipments. Have all the deception and intimidation of the various bullying KMaf Nazi billionaire officers and Rothschild Messiah fiat blackmail monies generated parallel fake organizations and players that pay lip service to Israel but will pull the rug out from under at the crucial moments, the deceivers deceived? Interesting proposition. Bibi or whoever he is has gone underground to nuclear bunker? Not without a few phony biblical quotations. I guess you could call it fake biblical news as pseudo justification.

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=231548

https://t.me/WW3INFO/26832

https://t.me/WW3INFO/26845

https://t.me/WW3INFO/26846

https://t.me/davidavocadowolfe/111031

"I'll see your Balfour and bump you WWIII."

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=231601

https://yandex.com/search/?text=when+does+balfour+treaty+expire&lr=103369&search_source=yacom_desktop_common

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=231609

So kind of him to issue statements from his fallout shelter. What, no scriptural tutelage to foist that this is somehow a religious war? I think that psyops died an ugly death a while ago.

https://t.me/WW3INFO/26974

"We have done our level best with our captive media to portray the people of Gaza as subhuman vermin begging for eradication. If that didn't work, so be it, we will fuck them anyway. They don't call us psychopaths for nothing."

https://t.me/WW3INFO/26975

"We will keep slaughtering Palestinian men, women and children (all known terrorists) until our Mossad controlled opposition infiltrators in the Uniside known as Hamas surrender. Isn't it great to have a righteous handle for genocide?"

https://t.me/WW3INFO/26985

Unlike most military operations that have been taken over the last few decades, the Israelis have actually gone out and DECLARED WAR on Hamas. That's kiinda old school...a real war.

A real war wouldn't be fought by an advanced military against an area full of mostly children. A real war doesn't start in an area you've blockaded and refused exit to civilians for decades. A real war isn't fought against people where you control their electricity and water. The comparison is ridiculous.

Many innocent men, women, and children killed in bombing of Gaza's largest refugee camp, but they got that ONE guy!!

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/31/middleeast/jabalya-blast-gaza-intl/index.html

(See OP title)

11 soldiers killed in battles deep inside Gaza, as military toll mounts

Gallant says bitter combat taking a heavy price, but hails significant achievements; communications in Gaza cut again as ground and air ops continue overnight.

Eleven soldiers were killed in fighting deep inside the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, Israeli authorities announced early Wednesday, bringing the day’s death toll among troops to 13 as leaders warned of the “heavy toll” being paid by troops to eliminate the Hamas terror group.

Israeli forces continued to attack targets overnight and on Wednesday from the ground and air, killing dozens of members of the terror group, the Israel Defense Forces said. Activity appeared to be focused in Jabaliya, a Hamas stronghold on the outskirts of Gaza City pounded by airstrikes overnight and again during the day Wednesday.

Seven soldiers from the Givati Infantry Brigade’s Tzabar Battalion were killed when a Namer armored personnel carrier they were in was hit by an anti-tank guided missile fired by Hamas, the IDF said. Another four soldiers were wounded in the same incident, including one seriously.

They were named as Sgt. Adi Danan, 20, from Yavne; Staff Sgt. Halel Solomon, 20, from Dimona; Staff Sgt. Erez Mishlovsky, 20, from Oranit; Staff Sgt. Adi Leon, 20, from Nili; Cpl. Ido Ovadia, 19, from Tel Aviv; Cpl. Lior Siminovich, 19, from Herzliya; and Staff Sgt. Roei Dawi, 20, from Jerusalem.

Two more soldiers from the 77th Battalion of the 7th Armored Brigade — Lt. Ariel Reich, 24, from Jerusalem and Cpl. Asif Luger, 21, from Yagur — were killed when their tank drove over an explosive device. Another two troops were seriously hurt in the same incident. A soldier from Givati’s Rotem Battalion was seriously wounded in separate clashes with terrorists in the Gaza Strip, the IDF said.

Family members and local authorities also announced that 2nd Lt. Pedayah Mark, 22, was killed in the fighting, as well as Staff Sgt. Roi Sargosti from the Ramat Hanegev Regional Council. The fatalities were not confirmed by the IDF, which generally waits for all family members to be notified.

Mark, from the West Bank settlement of Otniel, was the son of Rabbi Michael Mark, who was killed in a 2016 West Bank shooting attack. He was moderately hurt in that attack.

On Tuesday night, the IDF announced that Staff Sgt. Roei Wolf, 20, from Ramat Gan, and Staff Sgt. Lavi Lipshitz, 20, from Modiin, who both served in the Givati Infantry Brigade’s reconnaissance unit, had been killed. The army said early Wednesday that the two died when a building they were in was hit by an RPG.

The casualty toll underlined the threats soldiers are facing as the army shifts to fraught urban combat in Gaza’s crowded streets after weeks of a punishing air campaign. The urban combat zone is thought to be awash in bombs and booby traps and undercut by a vast network of tunnels used by terrorists to ambush or surprise troops.

“The loss of IDF soldiers in battles with Hamas terrorists in Gaza is a severe and painful blow,” Defense Minister Yoav Gallant posted on X, formerly Twitter, on Wednesday morning, sending his condolences to the families of the fallen.

“Our significant achievements in the powerful fighting deep in the Strip are taking, to our sorrow, a heavy toll,” he said, vowing that Israel was ready for a long and complex operation.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-9-soldiers-killed-battling-hamas-deep-inside-gaza-as-military-toll-mounts/

Quaint that CNN is calling it a Refugee Camp like it is something new due to the current conflict. It has been there since 1948, is built up with houses, businesses, etc. You can see in one of the pictures that a tunnel or underground bunker was collapsed there.

The IDF does not target civilians. Intent is everything.

NuttBoxer says

I've worked with Iranian's, Iraqi's, Pakistani's, and I've always found them to be some of the most polite, well mannered people. A lot of you here could stand some lessons from them.

The problem is Muslims(Arabs) like Jews, never call out their bad apples and they use propaganda to twist any deriding of the bad apples, as an all out assault on the people as a whole. So if that is the premise and rules you set for your people. Then you can't criticize one without criticizing them all.
Unlike Christians, we call out pervy, corrupt, Marxist, and dishonest Priest and Christians all the time. The media makes no distinction between Good Christians, and the bad Christians. In fact there's an all out war against Christianity in all denominations in almost every country around the world. So spare me the fake outrage.

The Israelis do not want their children to be Martyrs. The Palestinians do. You can see that clearly in the photo with the men with the dead children. It was totally staged with the dead children as props. Know how you can tell? It is because there are no women in the photo. A picture of a grieving mother elicits feelings of sorrow, but a group of men with dead children elicits feelings of revenge, and that is what the Palestinians want to project. For them it is all optics. - Yes, they are a bunch of sick fucks.

Look at the photos in the article.

Senior Hamas official says over and over again that they will continue murdering and torturing Jews to death until there is no Israel.

What is there left to discuss other than completely destroying Hamas and their supporters?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1719665588228751481

Useful idiots in the West........."but this is not a real war, Palestinians are in an open air prison!"

NuttBoxer says

A real war wouldn't be fought by an advanced military against an area full of mostly children. A real war doesn't start in an area you've blockaded and refused exit to civilians for decades. A real war isn't fought against people where you control their electricity and water. The comparison is ridiculous.

If Hamas did not want a "real war" thrust upon them, they probably shouldn't have PURPOSEFULLY attacked, tortured, killed and kidnapped thousands of innocent civilians enraging their much stronger next door neighbor.

NuttBoxer says

Many innocent men, women, and children killed in bombing of Gaza's largest refugee camp, but they got that ONE guy!!

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/31/middleeast/jabalya-blast-gaza-intl/index.html

(See OP title)

Reports that there were several sinkhole collapses and secondary explosions after the Israeli strike from Hamas terrorist tunnels.

https://twitter.com/gaza_report/status/1719363073847308710

Hamas is threatening a repeat of their October 7th atrocities. Now is the time for the citizens not blood thirsty Terrorists, to stand up and rebuke that threat.
(Hand to Ear)(Crickets Chirping)

If they at least were men among Hamas that fought an honorable fight against their enemies armies, then I could respect them.
And the civilians of Palestine are no better for not calling them out.
Why and how is the Israel forces, undertaking incursions into Palestine unopposed by the Hamas cowards?
They are not a legitimate Army they are terrorists, irregardless who created them.

Hey, NB, pretzel around this:

Hamas Official Mousa Abu Marzouk: The Tunnels in Gaza Were Built to Protect Hamas Fighters, Not Civilians; Protecting Gaza Civilians Is the Responsibility of the U.N. and Israel

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1718973338486260097

This is basically an equivalent of taking your child to a shootout with the police while you are wearing a bulletproof vest and your kid doesn't and then crying about "muh police brutality" over her dead body.

If you ever wacthed Clint Eastwood’s Letters from Iwo Jima flick, this may look familiar. Japanese fighters popping up from tunnels to kill US GI’s, except not with RPG’s.

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1719756956598980928

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Ifyou ever wacthed Clint Eastwood’s Letters from Iwo Jima flick, this may look familiar. Japanese fighters popping up from tunnels to kill US GI’s, except not with RPG’s.

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1719756956598980928

We're not talking about tactical advantages of using unnels for fighting. We're talking about the immorality of NOT building shelters for your own population and then initiating hostilities knowing that inevitable armed response puts them in danger. They openly admit their conscious decision to not build shelters because it's "not their responsibility". These are the people who claim they are the legitimate government of "Palestine".

Misc says

Quaint that CNN is calling it a Refugee Camp like it is something new due to the current conflict. It has been there since 1948, is built up with houses, businesses, etc. You can see in one of the pictures that a tunnel or underground bunker was collapsed there.

The IDF does not target civilians. Intent is everything.

So you want to nitpick the naming(because no refugee camps ever last for decades(see SE Asia), and justify murder with a bunker? If there's a terrorist below your house, and US bombs your home, killing your family, totally cool right, because they didn't target civilians? Collateral damage has a new best friend!