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NuttBoxer says

I completely disagree. The only people who side with the Israeli government are all non-Jewish Americans.

It's the entire world at this point. The US is heavily propagandized.

You know why there's such a kerfuffle with TikTok? It's not because they are pushing BS on kids, it's Zionists.



They have NO PROBLEM with having the site convincing insecure young girls to cut off their tits, and sterilizing themselves, but a BIG PROBLEM with open discussion - you know, because they are in the moral right.. You need censorship to prove that...

MOST Israelis support this fucking war, like 85%. They're definitely worse than we are.

NuttBoxer says

Yes there are a few Zionist extremists, but they are a minority, just like the white supremacists in the US.

There's a FEW Neocons, but they have entirely dictated US foreign policy for 25 years and got most of the dumb sheeple to go along with them. What, are you Putin Puppet? Do you support Assad gassing his own people? Do you WANT a humanitarian crisis caused by Qaddafi? Do you love Saddam Hussein? Are you a terrorist sympathizer? Those are the false dichotomies.

NuttBoxer says

The biggest supporters of the Israeli government are the US government, and brainwashed US citizenry. And their hate speech will be remembered once US support collapses, and the full truth of the evil that has gone on in Gaza is brought to light.

There's going to be a pile of dead bodies, Jewish people will be blamed for their silence and complicity, and the Neocons will walk away from it, and the Zionists will retire to fucking Argentina.

All this could have been prevented, but at least we'll get rid of the fucking ADL. The DEFAMATION League, that's all they do is defame.

WookieMan says

It's 100% is religion. Religion is government. Is that not obvious? People and government use religion as a way to justify their wrongs. Oops, my bad, I'll just tell my fictional god about it so I can sleep better at night.

Religion is the only (even if it's a poor one) adversary of modern government.

When they combine, that's the worst of all possible worlds.

If the United States was more religious, we wouldn't have drag queen story hours in kindergarten.

WookieMan says

Religions were invented by barbaric idiots to extract toll money from people. It then merged with government as we got to the 19th century.

Religion was invented as a way to unify a group, it was the first government.

richwicks says

If the United States was more religious, we wouldn't have drag queen story hours in kindergarten.

You're on a different planet dude. The combination of religion AND government is what got us to this place. I have no issue with religion 40 years ago for the most part. We're all fucked because of the merging of them. Sins within government are okay now. You have religion. God bless you. Praise Mohammad. Jews do Jew stuff....

I actually agree with you that government is corrupt for the most part. Where I completely disagree after this exchange is that religion has nothing to do with it?? That's crazy talk. We literally overthrew the UK and now get along with them. They're not Muslim. Religion matters as Europe is witnessing it with migrants. The middle east has been at war with itself forever over minor sects of a shit religion.

Religion can exist, but just own that it's shit. It causes far more problems than good. Tax free mind you. That's more of a racket than government, but you're not getting the point they just combined the two.

Tell me where I'm wrong. I'll listen.

WookieMan says

You're on a different planet dude. The combination of religion AND government is what got us to this place.

Are you talking about the 1990's when religious whackos were screaming we needed censorship on the Internet to protect the kids and that we needed skool prayer and so on? I fought against that, just as I'm fighting against censorship on the Internet now and having our skools teach BULLSHIT weirdness to kids.

WookieMan says

I actually agree with you that government is corrupt for the most part. Where I completely disagree after this exchange is that religion has nothing to do with it??

When religion and government have the same goals, both are dangerous. With only ONE of them in existence, it's always dangerous.

The reality is most people are fucking brainless cattle and they have to have SOME organization tell them what they should think and believe. They are cattle, and I'm not saying this because I'm frustrated with them, I'm saying this because it's true. These dumb mother fuckers will believe there's a pandemic just because the propaganda box tells them there is. These same dumb fucking people will believe that "we can't wait for the final proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud" because they heard that repeatedly on the propaganda box.

These are subhuman cattle. If you get rid of religion, they only have one authority to obey and that will be the government and the government will become the religion for them.

WookieMan says

Religion can exist, but just own that it's shit. It causes far more problems than good

I'm not arguing that religion in itself is a good thing. I fully recognize that at least 70% of the population are mere cattle, they have to have a fucking shepherd, and it's better to have 2 of them, because it increases the chances of ONE of them being right.

If the government is wrong and the religion is right, I can appeal to the religious bullshit they believe in. If the religion is wrong, and the government is right, I can appeal to the government. If both are right, no argument needed, and if both are wrong, well, I'm fucked and have to appeal to reason with a dumb semi-human animal that is fully convinced it's sentient.

EVERY NOW AND THEN, I run into a sentient person that I can communicate with. It's about 1 in 10 people. They will consider what I say, determine if there's validity to what I've said, and if they conclude I'm wrong, they will push back with additional information that I didn't have available to me to make my assessment. These people are valuable because they allow me to have better thinking, but they are RARE, and finding them is dangerous because if you hit the wrong person, think they're actually really human, they can instead just play along and humor you, then subvert you because you've offended them because they are irrational. "Oh, he loves Trump, he's a racist, I didn't tell that to his face though".

I'm fucking fed up with these things around me.

I'm at the point that if the vaccines are going to kill off everybody that took them, I'm like, fine, good. I'm not going to do shit about it. They are the victims and they were happy to victimize everybody else. Fuck 'em. These people are easily made to support the worst atrocities - every fucking war, shutting down businesses, forcing children to take fucking vaccines that are causing heart attacks, fuck them. I'm absolutely fed up, I've been patient for DECADES, but these people are not human.

Or maybe I'm not. I don't know, it's just a definition, a word. But they can't really think or reason. The TV or some fucking BULLSHIT "authority" does it for them, be it Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Jon Stewart, Steven Colbert, whatever. They all have a priest or two. When their priest says something stupid, instead of them pointing out and realizing it's stupid, they'll jump through hoop after hoop adjusting THEIR thinking to conform with whatever bullshit they said.

Look at Noam Chomsky, this MOTHER FUCKER has a lot of worshipers, and he said everybody should be forcibly vaccinated. A LOT of people who are followers of him, pushed back, but not all of them. At least some of these priests have said enough dumb fucking shit, that the cattle are starting to see they CAN be human. SOME. Chomsky is right on a FEW things, and FUCKING WRONG on a lot of other things, you have any idea how hard it is to get a worshiper of this fucking asshole to get them to realize it? He's largely right about Israel and linguistics, after that, he's worse than a moron.

TL:DR - Religion is shit. Write a novel. You at no point proved that religion isn't shit. It's the root of all evil. All of it. It's merged with government now. Enjoy.

WookieMan says

TL:DR - Religion is shit. Write a novel. You at no point proved that religion isn't shit. It's the root of all evil. All of it. It's merged with government now. Enjoy.

Throwing pearls to swine.

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stereotomy says

richwicks says

No, it's not religion. There isn't a thousand years of animosity between Jews and Muslims. There is with Jews and Christians. Basically, Zionists have had the "Judeo Christian" bullshit for a mere 100 years, and that will end, and after the way Israel has acted (especially purposely equating Judaism with Zionism) they've ended a 1000 year truce with the Muslims.

Calling Zionism "Judaism" is like calling the KKK "Christianity" or "Protestantism". Zionists are nothing more than Jewish bigots. They have worked HARD to conflate their stupid, impossible to last movement, with the religion, and the ENTIRE religion will pay for it eventually.

LOL, finally admitted it, eh?

We're not longer at "I don't care what happens over there" while obviously caring and caring that one side loses and apologizing for any opponent.

Also, Irish Nationalists are nothing more than Irish Bigots who were too good to be part of the UK. Catalan Nationalists are too arrogant to be part of Spain, etc. Basques too, and their campaign made Zionist insurgency actions look like cupcakes and cream.

Of course, many buy the bullshit that there were no beat downs of Jews like in the Farhud (sponsored by Der GrossMisunderstooden Fuhrer) or the 1929 Hebron Massacre, and plenty of anti-Jew, anti-Christian, and anti-Druze systemic organized violence when they got too uppity for the Arab Muslim Majority, and never looked for himself, long before Israel was created. He doesn't even know that Jordan expelled about a hundred thousand Jews from Samaria-Judea ("West Bank" is you're looking west from Amman). Or that the Yellow Star was first imposed around 1100-1200 when Turks began overrunning the Caliphate because Muslims feared they weren't tough enough on disbelievers and Allah was punishing them.

Anybody anti-Israel is beloved; including the shittiest member of Pink Floyd who was for unilateral nuclear disarmament by the US in the Cold War, supports Chavez, says Venezuelan hunger is a big capitalist lie, whose daddy was a card carrying communist, and endorses just about every leftist cause under the sun.

I'm so happy Zionism is winning, and winning bigly.

FAFO is a joy to see (not that this is a real account anyway but a Paliwood/Palbara BS account)


Finally, with the current drugged up and brainwashed population, Palbara was finally able to convince most AWFLs and Gen Z Lib Arts majors and tiktok addicts that they were the good guys. Another irony "some" don't see.

Basically every cycle :


"Just accept 1200 people were attacked by paragliding terrorists in a country of 10M and eat it up without response" - Ziobashers

Reality says

I have been saying for a long time now, many of those critical of Zionist harsh policies on the biological descendants of biblical Jews who never left the land

You should go look at the DNA evidence, and not from Geocities and Stormfag sites. Ashkenazi Jews are LESS Turkic than the average Eastern European.

Jews are about as Turkic as Native Americans have Hebrew/Arab DNA, sorry Mormons.

Reality says

The Iranian Shah was originally installed to replace the democratically elected Iranian President Mossadeghe, whom the CIA assassinated.

Why? What was he going to do?

Did you know why?

stereotomy says

Things went downhill after the Turks took over from the Arabs in the 15th century (Ottoman Empire).

Opposite, the Yellow Star was invented to impose on Jews (there was a badge for Christians), as Muslims in Cairo felt they weren't being tough enough on the 2nd-class Dhimis so Allah was punishing them with the Turks. Back around 1100-1200AD.

WookieMan says

This region will be in turmoil until you die.

"Some" used to profess this, before October 7th and the utter failure and unforseen strong reaction against Hamas and Israel apparently emerging stronger from it all made them very upset.

And the Leftist nonsense about Islam being super tolerant, more tolerant than Christendom, when all evidence from the Conquista (not Re-) in Spain to the destruction of Hindu Temples by the Moguls and the Indo-Pak border. 90% of religious violence against Christians is from Islam, esp. in Africa. Same against Budddhists in Sri Lanka.

Funny, nobody makes the connection: What happens between India and Pakistan on their border is almost a 1:1 similarity. And everytime the Pakis sneak attack and get beaten back, they whinge to the UN for a mandatory ceasefire. With 20+ oil rich Arab nations (and now China that rivals India), they always get it.

WookieMan says

TL:DR - Religion is shit. Write a novel. You at no point proved that religion isn't shit. It's the root of all evil. All of it. It's merged with government now. Enjoy.

Woke is a religion, no doubt. That is why attempts to deal with it as if it's an honest socio-economic position fail. Green nonsense also.

In fact, I think Woke was pushed because Greenism could not surpass a certain threshhold

Tomorrow we commemorate the resurrection of Jesus whose soul and spirit supernaturally embodied his own dead lifeless corpse. Jesus’ life was not to start a religion, but rather to fulfill a promise. It was promised by the father to Adam that he would send a savior and that all who receive the savior will be born again and resurrected in a similar manner at the end of the age. We are so near to the fulfillment of this promise:

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Religion is what men and women have attempted to do, and is not a way to know God but actually a barrier to knowing Him.

The only way to know God is through faith, and not just any kind of faith, but faith in His word. For faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The very first and worst lie ever told is contradicting Gods word. Those who contradict, change, prevent or call into question the Word of God are the most miserable and wretched souls. They need Gods forgiveness and redemption. Many who receive forgiveness will be just like you if you have previously doubted Gods word. But anyone who truly seeks God will find him, and find that His word is true, even in the midst of false religion, phony believers and false priests.

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1774041028367982959?s=20



But the first attack was just an electric fire, of course. It's normal for an odd spark to set fire to beams covered in inches of hardened soot from centuries of air pollution.

Also, Islam is historically very tolerant. They only attack when Zionists and Crusaders and the Hindu Rashtra and Evil Buddhists pick on them

WE PROVOKED HIM!!!!

AmericanKulak says

Reality says

The Iranian Shah was originally installed to replace the democratically elected Iranian President Mossadeghe, whom the CIA assassinated.

Why? What was he going to do?

Did you know why?

Finally usher the heaven
on Earth, like JFK was about to do? 🤡

Israeli soldiers execute two people in cold blood.


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AmericanKulak says

Reality says

The Iranian Shah was originally installed to replace the democratically elected Iranian President Mossadeghe, whom the CIA assassinated.

Why? What was he going to do?

Did you know why?

@AmericanKulak

I do. Mosaddegh was negotiating with the British to nationalize Iran's oil interests since the British were doing the same in their country, which is where BP (British Petroleum) comes from. The British pretended to negotiate, and then went to the United States and asked for the US to intervene. The US agreed on the condition that 40% of the oil interests would be controlled by US interests, and then the CIA overthrew the government by infiltrating the media and paying people to pretend to be protesters.

When the Shah (who was a traitor that colluded with the United States) was brought to the United States for treatment making the Iranian suspect that the US would reinstall him, they took siege of the US embassy which is where the 1953 coup was planned - Operation Ajax. It wasn't a big deal, the hostages were nothing but filthy fucking spies and backstabbers anyhow. Moral garbage.

And as a result of the Iranian revolution, when it was shown that a religious group could kick out a foreign occupier running their government for the benefit of the foreign power, it was copied everywhere.

And that's where modern Middle Eastern terrorism group ALL sprang up from which our fucking government selectively funds and assists to create as much chaos as possible, because during times of chaos, pillage is much easier.

Part of the reason that Saddam Hussein got targeted is he was a Ba'athist. Assad is too. The idea there is cooperating among the nations in the Middle East for common goals, you can imagine the United States doesn't want that. It's basically a peace movement, although there's plenty of conflict against those that don't agree with the movement.

AmericanKulak says

Reality says

I have been saying for a long time now, many of those critical of Zionist harsh policies on the biological descendants of biblical Jews who never left the land

You should go look at the DNA evidence, and not from Geocities and Stormfag sites. Ashkenazi Jews are LESS Turkic than the average Eastern European.

Jews are about as Turkic as Native Americans have Hebrew/Arab DNA, sorry Mormons.

They are even less middle eastern, the Ashkenazi are anyhow. They are foreign invaders from Europe and Russia and they were the ones that started the Zionist movement.

AmericanKulak says

LOL, finally admitted it, eh?

Admitted what?

The problem with talking to you semi-humans, is you purposely remain ignorant, and so it's pointless to discuss this issue with you. Either you're LEGITIMATELY stupid and incapable of thinking objectively, or you know exactly what is going on and you're a scumbag propagandist, who will continue to pretend to not know what is going on.

It has to be one or the other.

I mean look at this:

AmericanKulak says

Are you actually that stupid? You think that Israel has been doing nothing for 70 years, and that the Palestinians hit a hornets nest? Israel kills Palestinians every fucking day and have for 75 years, maybe one or two days went by when they didn't. They do it all the fucking time, and if you try to discuss it on social media anywhere, it's like trying to talk about the uselessness of vaccines in 2022.

Doesn't it occur to you, EVER, that your government is ALWAYS wrong? When the corporate propaganda machine all lines up to support whatever, they are ALWAYS wrong. Every fucking single time.

Were they right about Iraq? About Syria? Libya? Ukraine? This?

Are you this fucking dumb? It's hard to imagine you can be. I think you're dishonest, and it's pointless to talk with a dishonest person because they want to "win and argument", they aren't interested in thinking.

Israel will kill I think around 100,000 Palestinians, retake northern Gaza, and try to push out the Palestinians. That's what I see as the next TEMPORARY detente. That's what they always do. They'll never stop expanding, and they will never negotiate in good faith. That's been their pattern since before I was born. If you can't see a pattern that's been going on your entire life, you're just stupid. If you know the pattern, and ignore it, you're moral scum.

richwicks says

Israel will kill I think around 100,000 Palestinians, retake northern Gaza, and try to push out the Palestinians. That's what I see as the next TEMPORARY detente. That's what they always do. They'll never stop expanding, and they will never negotiate in good faith. That's been their pattern since before I was born. If you can't see a pattern that's been going on your entire life, you're just stupid. If you know the pattern, and ignore it, you're moral scum.

Who cares? Stop acting like you're some moral authority. You don't have a rocket defense system for shits and giggles. Are you fucking stupid??? Jews and Muslims will never get along. Never. Might go a decade or two. Point your moral middle finger at others. Fine. THIS WILL NOT CHANGE UNTIL ONE SIDE IS WIPED OUT.

There isn't a debate. Both sides WILL kill each other until one is gone. This isn't opinion. It's fact. The US really has little to do with this compared to Ukraine. We're feeding both cunt bags that will eventually kill one another. So fucking be it. One area is and will need to be wiped out for peace in the area. Pick your pony. I give no shits because I don't read fictional books believing they're real. Kill the Jews... Kill the Palestinians... Who gives a shit? They'll all be dead if they cannot adult or dump the cancer that is religion.

WookieMan says

Who cares? Stop acting like you're some moral authority.

Moral authority??

Look, you're watching the slaughter of a civilization happen and you're defending it. You don't have to be a moral authority to oppose that. You just have to not be a piece of shit.

WookieMan says

You don't have a rocket defense system for shits and giggles. Are you fucking stupid???

Yes we do. Rocket defense systems are useless, except against missiles that are absolutely unguided and totally predictable. The strategy to defeat these VERY purposeless systems is you fire a bunch of worthless cheap shit at a target, wait until the defense system is out of ammunition, then you fire in the expensive shit that has actual warheads. That's what was so stupid about SDI, in a nuclear war scenario, all the opposition has to do is send up a bunch of empty warheads, exhaust the defense system, then send down nukes. Defense systems are TRIVIALLY defeated.

WookieMan says

Jews and Muslims will never get along. Never.

They did for about 1000 years that ended with Zionism. Christians and Jews have NEVER GOTTEN ALONG, and because you're in the TEMPORARY time period where they do, you think this is normal. It's not. Europe didn't have an Inquisition to wipe out Muslims.

WookieMan says

There isn't a debate. Both sides WILL kill each other until one is gone. This isn't opinion. It's fact. The US really has little to do with this compared to Ukraine.

No...

The US has EVERYTHING to do with it. If the US didn't fund Israel, this conflict would be cleaned up in a week. It would be that quick. If the US put reigns on them 30 years ago, this wouldn't be happening now. The US is just feeding Israel more rope. Eventually the US will not be able to support Israel any longer, and it will be entirely over-run.

WookieMan says

One area is and will need to be wiped out for peace in the area.

The area that will eventually be wiped out is what Israel calls Israel. That will happen.

EVENTUALLY the United States won't be able to protect them any longer. It's just a population of 10 million nuts. When the US can no longer to afford to keep this STUPID PROJECT running, the Jewish population will be kicked out of the area.

WookieMan says

They'll all be dead if they cannot adult or dump the cancer that is religion.

It's not about religion

It's over LAND between two cultures. ONE culture is 90% European and Russian Jews, the other culture has been living there for millennia.

By continually helping Israel no matter what the FUCK they do for 50 years, the US has created a situation and animosity that will last for 100's of years. Zionists are like those fucking "black activists" today that ONLY create hatred and animosity. Jews and Muslims got along pretty well for century after century. It wasn't perfect of course, but it was relatively a detente. That's over and it's not over for a few years, it's over for centuries, if not forever.

Scenes from the main market in Al Nuseirat refugee camp in Gaza that show the destruction caused by the Israeli genocide | via @Sereen_Sara pic.twitter.com/jq0yl8fdCg

— Sarah Wilkinson (@swilkinsonbc) January 8, 2024

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/they-let-humanitarian-aid-in-then-they-bombed-it-so-that-gaza-would-starve/

The responsibility is firmly on Hamas' and their allies laps. They have the means to save their people from the ravages of war in literally 24hrs. But they won't because the "2nd front" must be kept open by all means, "palestinians" be damned.

RWSGFY says

The responsibility is firmly on Hamas' and their allies laps. They have the means to save their people from the ravages of war in literally 24hrs.

@RWSGFY - how? There's a complete blockade on the entire area and people moving into the ocean are shot and killed.

You don't think when you post nonsense like this, or more likely, you post bullshit believing people who read your bullshit won't think.

If these fucks are serious about saving their "palestinian people"
they should immediately return all hostages and bodies of hostages, lay down their arms and surrender. But they won't, of course, because as it was stated by one of the Ham-Ass head honchos "the survival of palis is UN's problem, not Ham-Ass'" and because thr whole thing was launched as a second prong to the offensive elsewhere, which started by their allies (or rather masters) on the same day.

Obvious things, really.

RWSGFY says

If these fucks are serious about saving their "palestinian people"
they should immediately return all hostages and bodies of hostages, lay down their arms and surrender.

That won't stop Israel. Israel will just make another excuse. Israel funded Hamas after all, they'll create and fund another group, and another. They'll create false flags, and phantom groups, they'll bring ISIS in. They funded fucking Hamas, why would Israel's agent "give themselves up"?

Israel has said for years that "if only the Palestinians stop fighting the conflict will end", well the West Bank hasn't done anything to Israel in what, a decade? Two? Settlements just expand, and Israel just continues to kill Palestinians in the West Bank and displace them.

Israel won't allow a solution. They want the land and they will slowly kill and displace to do it. They hope to kill and displace SO SLOWLY that morons like you won't recognize what they are doing, even though they've been doing it for 75 years.

REALLY what the Palestinians should do is just break down the walls, walk out, and let Israeli mow them down. That would take an awful lot of courage, but it will show the world and morons like you what Israel is, just another bunch of Nazis.

richwicks says

RWSGFY says

If these fucks are serious about saving their "palestinian people"
they should immediately return all hostages and bodies of hostages, lay down their arms and surrender.

That won't stop Israel. Israel will just make another excuse

Does it hurt your back bending over backwards so far constantly making excuses for Islamists?

While the majority of non-Islamist and non-Leftist Americans still strongly support Israel over Hamas barbarians, that support for the IDF to continue fighting and hunting for hostages in Gaza would evaporate overnight if Hamas finally surrendered and returned the remaining hostages.

socal2 says

that support for the IDF to continue fighting and hunting for hostages in Gaza would evaporate overnight if Hamas finally surrendered and returned the remaining hostages.

Or if they just went away, as in Hamas. I think Isreal is a bit heavy handed, but I don't live with my neighbor shooting at me all the time. So I don't experience that. When it comes down to it I do think one side needs to win and a cease fire will just be bull shit otherwise. Again I don't have a side and I don't think there's a two party solution. It will be brutal, but this just needs to be a fight to the death for either party.

I wish it wasn't that way, but it's the only way to peace in that region. The way it has always been over fictional books and politics. It will come back in future centuries, but someone needs to be the alpha at this point. The US will get blamed either way by idiots. So let them duke it out and see who the winner is. This isn't an occupation scenario and never has been. Let them finish it however nasty it gets.

socal2 says

Does it hurt your back bending over backwards so far constantly making excuses for Islamists?

Does it hurt your knees sucking Zionist cock?

If the US stops paying for this bullshit, it ends. Simple as that. That's how to end it. I don't see you disagreeing with me. Israel funded Hamas, NUMEROUS IDF people said that it was impossible to breach the wall without their knowledge, they were training in the open for MONTHS, this was either a full on false flag, or it was purposely allowed to happen.

Israel's government wanted exactly this, and my government is funding it.

WookieMan says

I think Isreal is a bit heavy handed, but I don't live with my neighbor shooting at me all the time.

Your neighbor might be shooting at you all the time if you stole 90% of his land and then whine that you were the victim because they were fighting back.

WookieMan says

Again I don't have a side

Yes you do. You pay for Israel to just exist at this point. That's the side you are forced to support. The reason I complain about this, is this is the side I'm forced to support.

WookieMan says

The US will get blamed either way by idiots.

The US pays for this. Of course they will be blamed, it's their fault. That's why I oppose this because I'm being forced to pay for it. That's bullshit.

WookieMan says

This isn't an occupation scenario and never has been.

Yes it is. Every inch of land beyond the 1967 borders is occupied land.

This is so simple but you're fully propagandized into thinking it's complicated. Russian and European Jews moved into the area to make a Jewish only state run for Jews for the benefit of Jews and they created the conflict.

richwicks says

If the US stops paying for this bullshit, it ends. Simple as that.

Are you going to get the Iranians, Syrians, Chinese, North Koreans and Russians to stop arming the Islamists?

richwicks says

Yes it is. Every inch of land beyond the 1967 borders is occupied land.

Most Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza don't accept any Jews living anywhere in modern day Israel.

So the whole point is moot.

socal2 says

Are you going to get the Iranians, Syrians, Chinese, North Koreans and Russians to stop arming the Islamists?

No, it's not my fucking government.

Jesus, how can you not comprehend this? I don't have ANY CONTROL over other governments, I have SOME control over THIS government, and if I don't have any control at all, if none of us do, we should fucking overthrow it.

Countries arm other nations because of what MY COUNTRY is doing. If the US didn't (and wasn't) attacking Syria right now, Russia wouldn't have to arm Syria, would they? All my fucking nation of dumb shit Neocons and twats like you, is double, triple, quadruple, and quintuple down over and over and over again, until the nation is 30 trillion dollars in debt, is allowing an invasion on the border, and maintains control through election fraud and constant stupid puerile propaganda that a retard should laugh at, but the cattle among me DON'T.

When are you going to recognize our fucking nation is doing the wrong thing, and does it REPEATEDLY? They're always wrong. What if Saddam Hussein wasn't killed or Qaddafi not murdered, Assad just left alone, or Ukraine not overthrown? Well, we'd all be better off.

If the US stops fucking funding Israel, Israel will stop funding groups like fucking Hamas. How fucking obvious does it have to get? Israel wouldn't exist if it wasn't for constant US funding, and Israel gives the US NOTHING at all, but problems. Now if other countries want to fund it to keep that disaster going fine, but if they don't, Israel will have to NEGOTIATE for the first time EVER. They'll start having to be fucking reasonable for ONCE.

RWSGFY says

The responsibility is firmly on Hamas' and their allies laps. They have the means to save their people from the ravages of war in literally 24hrs.

So as long as you can point to the wrong someone else is doing, you have carte blanche to do whatever you want right? Rape of women and children, starve millions, commit holocaust and genocide?

You sounds more and more like your communist hero's every day, Stalin definitely used the same reasoning. In fact Orwell's 1984 is packed with examples. Will you have the guts to respond this time, or are you going to keep dis-associating your beliefs from their real-world outcomes, another common communist tactic.

NuttBoxer says

So as long as you can point to the wrong someone else is doing, you have carte blanche to do whatever you want right? Rape of women and children, starve millions, commit holocaust and genocide?

You want honesty, yes. Isreal gained the land. That's water under the bridge for decades. I'll be blunt. It's not propaganda either. Muslims are horrible people. Other Muslims next door don't want them outside of proxy war fighting from Iran. Again, not propaganda. Egypt won't let them in. They're as big a part of the problem.

Isreal has been rather tame with their response. Again, I have no side. I don't care how many die on each side. Until you realize this never gets resolved until Hamas moves or Palestinians move there's no point in discussing it. One party is going to die. End of story. It looks like Palestinians will die. They poked the bear after years of peace.... I guess the occasional rocket launch was fine and dandy.

Either take the Jews out with your Muslim friends or stop crying like a fucking baby after killing a bunch of non-military citizens.

WookieMan says

You want honesty, yes. Isreal gained the land. That's water under the bridge for decades. I'll be blunt. It's not propaganda either. Muslims are horrible people. Other Muslims next door don't want them outside of proxy war fighting from Iran.

Do you know why?

I want to see if you can answer this. If you know what the division is. I bet my kidney you have no idea, but you ceaselessly defend the government (our fucking savior!) on this issue.

richwicks says

Do you know why?

Egypt doesn't want them because it fucks up their tourism. It could fuck up the Suez, no different than the Houthis. Shippers cannot get insurance to go through the area. Hamas and Gaza are shit stains. I don't side with Isreal. But this fucking needs to be done. It's round 10 and someone needs to throw a fucking knock out punch.

You keep worrying about US involvement. We've given aid to Hamas, the government that keeps this shit going. What's not to get here? You're anti American as fuck. Join Antifa or BLM. Go enjoy that. Start your own anti-American group for fucks sake. You're halfway there with your childish, do nothing attitude besides bitch and moan.

WookieMan says

Egypt doesn't want them because it fucks up their tourism. It could fuck up the Suez, no different than the Houthis. Shippers cannot get insurance to go through the area. Hamas and Gaza are shit stains.

No.

The Palestinians are chiefly Sunni, and the rest of the Middle East is chiefly Shia.

Jordan is chiefly Sunni, so they don't have a problem with the West Bank people for the most part. Lebanon is a mix of Sunni, Shia, various flavors of Christianity. Egypt is Sunni but it cannot accept more people. Egypt has been traditionally an enemy of Israel NOT because of the religion, but because Israel displaces Palestinians into their country.

The Sunni and Shia get along about as well as Catholics and Protestants did in 1850 Ireland.

Okay. So finally admit that it is religion. So the nearest neighbors are of the same sect of Islam. The religion of peace that won't even take their own in by a supposed enemy of the Muslim world. A nation that has Muslims that aren't dip shits walk amongst them at great risk. Okay. At least we're clear.

Isreal should just get over it and move out of that hell hole that won't change ever. Or kill them all. I think this is the big decision...