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Sooo, why doesn't Hamas release the hostages?

Why did Chyna and the USSR block the UNSC resolution calling for a ceasefire AND release of the hostages?

Why don't starving "palestinians" protest against their rulers refusing to free the hostages and thus achieve a desired ceasefire and food deliveries? We know they can protest with the best of them - multiple "intifadas" offer a definitive proof of such ability.

Questions, questions...

socal2 says

FFS - there is video and geolocated confirmed pictures of hundreds of miles of tunnels

I'm not looking shit up. You post it, or shut the fuck up.

This fucking nation has been lying for my entire adult life, probably my entire life. There were no 40 beheaded babies even though Joe Biden claimed he saw proof of it, just like you are saying you have proof "if I'd just look it up", and that a woman's skull was found and matched to a kidnap victim, like they just stumbled across a portion of a skull, took it to a forensics lab, and then matched, like that fucking happened.

I'm tired of people not having the ability to think, and I'm not the thinking for you anymore. You're not going to do it even if I hold your hand and explain in detail. It's too tiresome for you "it's a screen" "tl;dr". Ignorance is a choice today, I'm no longer trying to fight against that just expose you're ignorant.

NuttBoxer says

I'm almost positive I've linked to that story about IDF using human shields, but has anyone bothered to click on it, unlikely, as those who support the Israeli government(NOT the Jews, big difference), do it for emotional, not rational reasons. And when has anyone ever needed evidence to feel a certain way.

It's pretty upsetting to realize you've been duped for decades to support a bloodthirsty government. They can't deal with the fact that we have a new media that lies blatantly in order to protect criminals that have been killing women and children for decades and continue to do it. They can't deal with the fact that our government really is THAT evil.

That's why.

RWSGFY says

Sooo, why doesn't Hamas release the hostages?

The HAVE released hostages - Ruti Munder said she was treated well, and she even shook hands with her captors when she was released. Of course, this meant nothing to Israel, and the US "mistranslated" (i.e. lied) about what she said. After that, Israel put the kibosh on any more unvetted interviews of released hostages - they now have to go through the filter to frame Hamas as just a bunch of mindless animals.

Hamas wants either a ceasefire, or Palestinians that have been put into Israeli custody that have been convicted of no crime. Israel has been taking hostages from Gaza and the West Bank for years.

richwicks says

I'm not looking shit up. You post it, or shut the fuck up.

Problem is ... if he posts it ... you simply say you don't believe it, that it is lies.

After doing this many, many times, nobody cares to post any links.

Nothing will break you out if your reality.

Misc says

Problem is ... if he posts it ... you simply say you don't believe it, that it is lies.

He never posts it.

I'm the asshole that fucking insists on links to confirm information, and people that refuse to do this, should be ignored.

Our bullshit "news" media won't post sources. To me, if you can't post a fucking source, a link, a 30 year old technology, that means you're full of shit, or more likely, you don't know why you "think" what you claim to think. This is propaganda fucked into your head without you realizing it. I'm not immune, but I'm aware of it, I do have a higher resistance than most people.

Misc says

After doing this many, many times, nobody cares to post any links.

Show an example of where I did this. Post a link.

Misc says

Nothing will break you out if your reality.

On the contrary I've been broken out of my delusions multiple times, and now it's a duty for me to do as well - which is why I post links. I actually want to know when I'm wrong. Most people, to me, bizarrely do not want to know. I have spent considerable time eliminating my cognitive dissonance. Few of you have. When I realize I have a contradiction in my thinking, I start researching it, and I eliminate one of my beliefs and go forward from that. I've been doing this for about 25 years. Quite often I realize I was wrong on both viewpoints, we're often given false dichotomies. It is laborious, but I want to know.

Which is why I'm not an Israeli supporter, why I don't think "climate change" is about to kill us all, why I don't think CO2 is a poison destroying the planet, why I don't think EVs are beneficial to the environment, why I believe green energy is a scam, why I think television is merely propaganda, why I don't recognize what is called "news" is information, why I don't trust my government, why I realize the intelligence agencies are staffed with traitors, etc. Many of my views have been over-turned over time, with people showing I was incorrect and I had the opposite stance on ALL OF THOSE as an adult. "The FIB wouldn't lie!!!", that's all they fucking do. Same with the CIA. I thought if it wasn't true SOMEBODY would blow the whistle, nope, a small number of people do, and they will vigorously defend their position, as I will. Most of what you hear or read, is bullshit, but there are people who are honest, to a fault, it's damaging.

Lies are said to be a tool of the devil, is this is true, our world is ruled by that, by evil.

You failed to post a link.

Also, simply read what you wrote. You flat out stated that you would not believe anything that contradicts your worldview.

This make discussions impossible.

Misc says

You failed to post a link.

Try to do a search on http://images.google.com/ and see a surprise. Save the image, and then upload it to do a search on it.

Misc says

Also, simply read what you wrote. You flat out stated that you would not believe

Quote me.

Misc says

This make discussions impossible.

I attempt to make liars and propagandists impossible to continue being liars and propagandists.

Are you now saying that you will look at the videos that he previously posted (you said you would not) ???

Go back and look at them. You won't because it destroys your narrative. You will simply say you don't believe them, that they are lies.

Misc says

Are you now saying that you will look at the videos that he previously posted (you said you would not) ???

If you post a specific video or quote and not a general website - like this:


original link

Don't make a fucking post making me search for a needle in a haystack. YOU find what you think is relevant, post it, and post the source. In that video, a dumb Zionist thug is comparing what they are doing to Gaza as what the English did to Dresden - do you think think what was Dresden was justifiable? It had no military significance at all, it was attacked just to attack the country in general by murdering civilians. It was an attempt to get the Germans to turn against their rulers out of fear. That's exactly what Israel is doing now. Gaza has been under attack since it become the open air prison it is today, they don't fear death anymore.

Misc says

Go back and look at them. You won't because it destroys your narrative.

I'm not going through a bunch of garbage to find what you think justifies your position. You do it.

We're not on fucking YouTube where you can't post specific links and this is almost an entire uncensored platform. Find what you think supports your position and post that, or don't bother me.

Why, you won't look at it (you have done this numerous times), or say that it is "lies" and not to be believed (a standard MO).

If I do re-post what socal2 offered, will you watch it and/or believe it ????

The answer based on numerous posts is no to each.

Misc says

Why, you won't look at it

I have. I went through a few which I knew were indeterminate on whether they were even real. There are apparently bodies, there's no way to know who killed them, and I know the IDF has the Hannibal directive. Israel's government deliberately killed their own citizens and soldiers and they are quite open about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

I am not uneducated about this conflict, and I'm well aware of the Mossad's motto - though deception we will make war. That ends their credibility.

It was a concert, EVERYBODY has cellphones, and I'm noticing a very real lack of the event itself. I'd expect security would have some cameras, and they probably did, and those videos, are not recovered. Why?

RWSGFY says

Why don't starving "palestinians" protest against their rulers refusing to free the hostages and thus achieve a desired ceasefire and food deliveries?

I don't think I'm exaggerating when say that the above sentence justifies killing and starving innocent people because a minority group may be holding hostages. I say "may" because Israel's indiscriminate bombing campaign likely already killed them.

I'm pretty sure some white people where you live supported BLM a few years back. By your logic I should arrest you until you turn over the BLM supporters...

RWSGFY says

Why did Chyna and the USSR block the UNSC resolution calling for a ceasefire AND release of the hostages?

Did they?

What's the UN resolution?

I'm pretty certain the entire planet except for the United States, and Israel is in favor of a ceasefire and I know you can't trust the media to tell you if a stove is hot or not.

So all those rape stories were true after all..
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4477340-un-experts-reports-executions-sexual-assault-israeli-soldiers/
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian
https://archive.is/rekay

Ohh, you meant Hamas rape of Israeli's, didn't happen...

The chair of Israel's investigative committee into rape on 10/7, @CochavElkayam, presents an old image of dead female Kurdish fighters as proof rape was committed at the music fest. Below I will post again the archived version of this exact 2022 image. https://t.co/lwOxdH3fHw pic.twitter.com/jHvDZz9Upt

— The Last American Vagabond (@TLAVagabond) December 5, 2023

UN representative Pramila Patten, who prepared the report on alleged sexual violence on October 7, admits that the report is not an investigation and that it contains unfounded and outright false testimonies. I just discussed this last night. Link below. pic.twitter.com/v6QRQDfkUY

— The Last American Vagabond (@TLAVagabond) March 7, 2024

Nuttboxer falling for Islamist prop.

Even Al Jazeera has retracted.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/al-jazeera-report-alleging-idf-rapes-in-shifa-hospital-retracted/

socal2 says

Nuttboxer falling for Islamist prop.

Yeah, Islam has such a a stranglehold in our media and government.

Oh wait they don't, but somebody does.

But they are so honest and trustworthy from weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to safe and effective. Oh, what a surprise, they are repeating the same nonsense you are. You're not brainwashed..

Not just US media, also the UN, humanitarian organizations, AND Israel(see Israeli government source above).

When the country you claim to support disagrees with you and you ignore it, you are definitely following "the science"..

Israeli government calling for censorship, because the side that's right needs to censor the sides that are wrong:

Ambassador @DavidSaranga:

The social networks have become a strategic threat to Israel.

Let me be precise: The combination of the industry of lies and social media networks, has long since become a strategic threat to western democracies.

Here's an example of the poison we… https://t.co/xMKpxLTjWO

— Israel Foreign Ministry (@IsraelMFA) March 24, 2024

'We have a major Tiktok problem.'

Leaked audio of ADL chief executive Jonathan Greenblatt freaking out because global youth aren't buying Israel's propaganda anymore. #Gaza pic.twitter.com/tzU02bSXAm

— Sharmine Narwani (@snarwani) November 16, 2023

Israel's government targeting civilians in Rafah, where they told everyone to go so they could be "safe":

BREAKING: Israel is dropping bombs on civilian homes in Rafah right now.

The massacres of entire Palestinian families are continuing and the “international community” does ZERO to hold Israel accountable.pic.twitter.com/iyiXY8K3NA

— sarah (@sahouraxo) March 26, 2024

BREAKING: Rafah is under attack AGAIN.

Israeli Airstrikes have killed 15 civilians, including four children. pic.twitter.com/Bt0yJOFxnX

— Khalissee (@Kahlissee) March 26, 2024

https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/

And if you still believe the rape stories, you're probably right, as IDF and Israeli newspapers confirm IDF soldiers have a moral obligation to rape Palestinians:

The IDF’s chief rabbi gave his religious blessings to rape non-Jewish women during war.

Occupying Israeli soldiers celebrated Purim by raping Palestinian women in Al-Shifa hospital.

Evil, depraved, heinous, genocidal war criminals. https://t.co/IT2li4fh5u

— Dilly Hussain (@DillyHussain88) March 25, 2024

WARNING: VILE CONTENT
The Zionists’ favorite talking point is rape but not the many cases within IDF ranks. It’s an Israeli national obsession with some rabbis endorsing rape in war. Listen to how the IDF soldier speaks below. pic.twitter.com/dc45NxU3w6

— Polly Tickal (@BubblesToBurst) March 26, 2024

NuttBoxer says

Not just US media, also the UN, humanitarian organizations, AND Israel(see Israeli government source above).

When the country you claim to support disagrees with you and you ignore it, you are definitely following "the science"..

Nutt you're conflating two things. That any news, media, country or anything you see on the internet is telling the truth. Both sides lie in any issue. Media likes clicks and views, so they lie. Social media people want followers. I don't care about links and videos in today's tech age. ANYTHING can be "fact" supposedly.... I have to see it directly or know someone I can call to believe anything at this point. Videos and links simply don't count anymore with AI and even basic photoshop.

And next there is the fact this region of the planet has been at war forever. I'd guess 1B kids have died in the Eastern hemisphere in 500 years by war. It will never change. You cannot change culture, ethnicity and religion. What do you think is going to change with a cease fire? Nothing. Let them duke it out is my stance.

I don't care for either side. I'll only point out that Isreal has to have a rocket defense system that they used frequently before this and other conflicts with Muslims. I actually TALKED to a friend that lived there for a decade. Palistians fire "dumb" rockets and some smart missiles at random civilians including kids. Egypt doesn't want them. Are they a part of the genocide?

I don't like kids dying, but this hasn't and won't change anytime in our lifetimes. I just don't care at this point because when religion is involved, nothing changes. You need to blame religion as usual with wars and conflict. Maybe if they stopped believing in fiction novels it would change... both sides... it won't.

WookieMan says

And next there is the fact this region of the planet has been at war forever. I'd guess 1B kids have died in the Eastern hemisphere in 500 years by war. It will never change. You cannot change culture, ethnicity and religion. What do you think is going to change with a cease fire? Nothing. Let them duke it out is my stance.

The "let them duke it out" / "let them slaughter" stance is unrealistic:

1. Israelis would be wiped out if we stop all munition/ammunition shipment and stop foreign aid to both Israel and neighboring countries keeping them away from joining the fight. It doesn't matter how advanced Israel's anti-missile defense systems are when they don't produce enough anti-missile missiles on their own; nor can they afford to exchange expensive precision anti-missiles missiles against cheap dumb flying objects.

2. When the fighting intensifies/escalates there, and the US has to send more billions of aid to Israel to keep Israelis alive, some of the money will be diverted to politicians and shift the political landscape here due to campaign contributions. It already has in the past 70+ years.

3. Almost all of the most massive/deadly wars in the eastern hemisphere in the past 500 years were due to the bankster human-farming process, mass killing bank account holders in one country after another. What they teach in high school economics class about international trade optimizing unevenly distributed mineral resources and removing "dead loss" neglects to mention the impact of global money flow: when factory-owners, dictators and middle-class in third-world human farms send their money to western money center banks for what they think is safe-keeping, the money flow artificially depresses their local currencies and artificially lowers the price of their exports. That's why we have the current phenomenon of German and Japanese cars being sold in the US at prices lower than their prices back in Germany and Japan, Chinese-made electronics being sold in the US at prices lower than their prices in China, Brazil-made clothing/shoes being sold in the US at prices lower than in Brazil. These are large countries; the "dumping"-like negative implied transportation cost price differential is even greater for goods made in smaller countries. How can American workers and factories compete in this kind of environment? The result is mass unemployment and shifting of jobs from producing real goods to jobs that are essentially financial scams and political mutual looting. In essence, importing foreign slavery and semi-slavery systems to the US through the globalist hot-money flow / low-to-zero tariff process.

Reality says

1. Israelis would be wiped out if we stop all munition/ammunition shipment and stop foreign aid to both Israel and neighboring countries keeping them away from joining the fight. It doesn't matter how advanced Israel's anti-missile defense systems are when they don't produce enough anti-missile missiles on their own; nor can they afford to exchange expensive precision anti-missiles missiles against cheap dumb flying objects.

That's my problem??? My kids ain't going to a foreign war over religion and I don't want my $40k of tax dollars going towards it. Sorry. We got involved in WWII in a big way and now we're fucking stuck over there for no reason. At some point just let them kill each other. We fixed a problem and now it's theirs.
Reality says

2. When the fighting intensifies/escalates there, and the US has to send more billions of aid to Israel to keep Israelis alive, some of the money will be diverted to politicians and shift the political landscape here due to campaign contributions. It already has in the past 70+ years.

I don't care. If I don't like a situation I leave it. Any American Jew or Muslim that has an opinion on this is hysterical as they don't live there. It's all religion. This won't stop regardless of US involvement. EVER. We've sent aid to both parties. Anything change? Nope...

I also simply don't care what goes on with the other side of the globe. Our side is mostly stabilized with a few hiccups. The Eastern hemisphere is trash and always will be. We have multiple hot wars on that side of the planet. South and Central America have their issues, but it's mostly calm with two basic languages and one religion for 90% of it. Why does anyone care what goes on over there? You have too many "cultures" and languages and shit gets lost in translation. Territory disputes. Different religions and sects. It will go on forever.

WookieMan says

Nutt you're conflating two things. That any news, media, country or anything you see on the internet is telling the truth. Both sides lie in any issue. Media likes clicks and views, so they lie. Social media people want followers.

You lie. RT, Electronic Intifada, Middle East Eye, PressTV, Dawson, Hinkle, and Fuentes are truth bearers. All power to Muh Bashar the Glorious Lion!

NuttBoxer says

Israeli government calling for censorship

You mean "Pro-Pali accounts whinging"

Or just plain nuts:
The IDF’s chief rabbi gave his religious blessings to rape non-Jewish women during war.

Occupying Israeli soldiers celebrated Purim by raping Palestinian women in Al-Shifa hospital.

Evil, depraved, heinous, genocidal war criminals. https://t.co/IT2li4fh5u

— Dilly Hussain (@DillyHussain88) March 25, 2024

Note the date and it's one guy from about a decade ago: 2016

I wonder if they still push the Oded article from 1982.

NuttBoxer says

The chair of Israel's investigative committee into rape on 10/7, CochavElkayam, presents an old image of dead female Kurdish fighters as proof rape was committed at the music fest. Below I will post again the archived version of this exact 2022 image. https://t.co/lwOxdH3fHw pic.twitter.com/jHvDZz9Upt

— The Last American Vagabond (TLAVagabond) December 5, 2023

Literally all your sources are militant pro Pali/anti Israel like Max Blumenthal and Last American Syrio-Iranian Propaganda Repeater

Misc says

Problem is ... if he posts it ... you simply say you don't believe it, that it is lies.

After doing this many, many times, nobody cares to post any links.

Nothing will break you out if your reality.

My favorite is when "I have no dog in this fight" but his posts and enthusiasm for the anti-Israel side belie that.

When you correct him with links, he half-acknowledges it with an "I don't care" when he clearly does, then a short time later he's back making the original assertion you already proved factual information to refute.

An example is the "Mossad killed JFK" which was based on one interview in Arabic with a PFLP leader in Arabic in 2010, who when pressed for any details behind such a wild claim, told the interviewer he would "Discuss it with any interested parties". The claim was only published in English by a Neonazi Newsletter writer with Palestinian Terrorist connections a few years later in a book, but was recently reported on Dawson's media which is where it was probably taken from.

That's why I blocked him.

WookieMan says

Nutt you're conflating two things. That any news, media, country or anything you see on the internet is telling the truth. Both sides lie in any issue.

No, he's not confused at all.

OF COURSE both sides lie on every issue, but when one side is wrong, you can determine who is wrong. You can't criticize Israel, and haven't been able to ever. You couldn't criticize it in 1980 and there's LOTS to criticize. If the US acted like Israel, people would be screaming that the United States is systemically racist, and they would be right.

Israel depended on soft censorship for a LONG TIME, "muh holocaust!" was their go to. Anti-semite has been so over-used it's meaningless. Now the fucking little shit nation is directly blocking free speech in MY country, FUCK THEM.

WookieMan says

I don't care about links and videos in today's tech age. ANYTHING can be "fact" supposedly.... I have to see it directly or know someone I can call to believe anything at this point. Videos and links simply don't count anymore with AI and even basic photoshop.

You don't know how to use the fucking internet fucking yet. Jesus Christ.

Look, everything that is done is recorded, you have translation tools, you have NOBODIES on the ground that have no agenda other than "look at this", it's been around for fucking 30 years, and you still can't use it.

Your government, ALWAYS, lies. Whatever is in the "news" media is pushed because it's a lie, it's propaganda. They don't push "the world is sphere", because everybody knows it's a sphere. They push falsehoods. They don't bother to push information, because who cares about real information? They don't. They push from "men and woman are exactly the same" to "so-and-so is the NEXT HITLER", and it's always a lie.

How can you not notice the fucking pattern YET?

Lies are easy to spot, they are contradictory. Lies are injected into truth as well, to discredit the truth. How can you not realize it at this point? For example, we saw a ton of picture of "green lasers" in Maui, supposedly - just photographs. How easy is that to make? Well, who gives a shit how it was done? We know the water was turned off, we know people were blocked from escaping, we know there was a wall put up, and we know there are 2000+ people missing. Who gives a fuck how the fires started? We know, with CERTAINTY the government made it as bad as possible.

You don't have to know the entire story, you just have to know your government "helped" some calamity happened or protected the criminals. That's it.

Reality says

1. Israelis would be wiped out if we stop all munition/ammunition shipment and stop foreign aid to both Israel and neighboring countries keeping them away from joining the fight.

Yeah, problem solved. Why is Israel hated so much? Jews have been living in that regions for CENTURIES, why is ISRAEL hated so much?

Because they're assholes, and they are egregious assholes, and because they just keep getting worse, year, after year, after year, after year, eventually, they will be overwhelmed. When the US collapses. Israel is going to be slaughtered and it's not like they haven't been egging on the entire Middle East for decades. They are the main source of instability there.

AmericanKulak says

Literally all your sources are militant pro Pali/anti Israel like Max Blumenthal and Last American Syrio-Iranian Propaganda Repeater

Are his sources wrong? He claimed:

NuttBoxer says

The chair of Israel's investigative committee into rape on 10/7, CochavElkayam, presents an old image of dead female Kurdish fighters as proof rape was committed at the music fest. Below I will post again the archived version of this exact 2022 image. https://t.co/lwOxdH3fHw pic.twitter.com/jHvDZz9Upt

— The Last American Vagabond (TLAVagabond) December 5, 2023

Is that false or not?

Who gives a shit about the source? Who cares?

Did the source lie or not?

It's like people saying "oh, the FSB is the one that recorded that Victoria Nuland setup the Ukraine puppet government in 2014" - who gives a shit that it was the FSB? I don't care if it's the FSB, the CIA, the Mossad, or Satan himself - the recording is genuine and confirmed to be genuine. It doesn't matter what the source is. What matters if it's true or not.

Sources are a pre-filter. The Last American Vagabond is a fucking moron when it comes to "smart dust" for example. He doesn't know what he's talking about, I've written to him trying to explain to him the impossibility and what is really going on with some twat saying "we have this technology now", no we don't. He's obsessed with "virus sized transistors", well, they are much smaller than that. We've had those since the 1980s, but a transistor is just a gate. You need several 100 thousand of them to do anything useful. He doesn't understand this.

I don't bother with sources like Rachel Maddow or Sean Hannity because they don't ever produce information. 99.9% of the time, they are full of shit, or they are distorting information. When I do pay any attention to them, it's for the purpose of showing whoever is using that as a source, that what they said, they are lying about. Don't have to do that much today. The only people that still watch television are very old people unable to use the Internet.

WookieMan, I can easily sympathize with your expressed frustration on the subject. I have been saying for a long time now, many of those critical of Zionist harsh policies on the biological descendants of biblical Jews who never left the land are the ones who will be equally sympathetic of Israeli/Jewish plight when the shoe is on the other foot when the US as a declining empire can no longer sustain the state of Israel, whereas some of the most ardent voices in support of harsh Zionist actions against "Palestinians" may well turn out to be bankster agents who want Jewish bank account holders living in that region dead so the victims can not withdraw money from the banks.

We living in the western hemisphere do have two vested interests in the eastern hemisphere:

1. Because the landmass and human population in the eastern hemisphere far out-number the western hemisphere, we can not allow eastern hemisphere to consolidate into one political entity. It's similar to Britain playing the balance of power to European continent between 1100-1950 or so, lest it becomes unified like historical China or historical Japan (under Bakufu regime), or to a somewhat lesser degree the US after suppressing states' rights to secede thereby turning into a unified empire instead of a coalition of willing states. Geographically vast unified political entities tend to become more and more tyrannical as well as expansionistic (because its internal politics over-ride internal market, so have to loot not only its citizens/subjects but also loot externally).

2. Can't allow human-farming operations to perfect their art / practices in the eastern hemisphere to apply the same expertise and team-work resources to farm humans in the western hemisphere. The difference between Judaism vs. Islam is not much more than that existed between Protestants vs. Catholics. Historically both England and France used persecutions of Catholics and Huguenots as methods of farming human beings and harvesting human cattle by mass murdering them through made-up religious conflicts; in central Europe, that turn into the 30-Years War slaughtering millions of civilians, the most devastating war in Europe before WWI/WWII. The invention of Nietzschean "God is dead" then Communism and Nazism were extensions/reproductions of that human-cattle farming operation.

Oh, and don't forgot conflating the run up to the Iraq Invasion, or falsely asserting Israel is the cause of all the problems in the MENA, when the entire conflict since 1947 including ALL the Wars and Not-Wars and Terrorism is only the 9th deadliest conflict in the Middle East going on 80 years now.

Again, the 9th deadliest since 1947 including every war, border raid, insurgency, terrorism, and bombing/shelling responses.

The deadliest two wars in the Middle East was the Shi'a-Sunni fight between Iran and Iraq in the 80s which featured Chemical Weapons, and the Syrian Civil War between the hereditary dictatorship of the House of Assad the Mighty Lion and both ISIS and other groups. In fact, the three worst, deadliest wars in the Middle East featured Arab National Socialists, aka Ba'athist, on one side. The third being the Lebanese Civil War, which was Muslim Supremacy against Christians with Israel supporting the latter and the Ba'athists backing Hezbollah

Hi frustration stems from his admitted refusal to comprehend anything outside the realm of his personal experience. I've already demonstrated the clear fallacy of that approach, from my own personal experience(ironically) watching someone 180 on a subject.
We try to teach our kids so they don't have to live our mistakes, so you'd think a parent would know better than to be so hard-headed, especially at his age...

The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait had very few casualties, the made-up stories of killing babies in incubators not withstanding. Saddam Hussein was dumb enough to fall for US Embassador April Glaspie's supposed US consent for him to take over Kuwait as Iraq's 17th province in order to pay off his debt from the Iran-Iraq War, the result was the destruction of modern Iraqi military, which had been a potential threat to Israel, as Israel already bombed Iraqi nuclear reactor, and Saddam's Canadian super-long-range artillery specialist Gerald Bull was assassinated by Israeli intelligence.

The Iranian Shah was originally installed to replace the democratically elected Iranian President Mossadeghe, whom the CIA assassinated. Khomeini and his Islamic fundamentalist movement were housed in Paris, just like Lenin was housed in Switzerland and Trotsky in NYC had upscale living without any visible employment, before they were all shipped back to their countries of origin to start revolutions overthrowing existing privileged class after decades of the latter fattening up and stacking money into banks. Saddam thought he was a trusted agent of the banksters early in his career (just like Putin was also an alum of the WEF young global leaders school), so followed instructions to invade Iran after the Iranian revolutionaries seized American embassy staff (a decade before finding himself out of money and wanted to take over Kuwait oil wells and money).

Lebanon was destroyed so the "Paris of the Middleast" Beirut would no longer be a rival commerce and banking center to Tel Aviv and Haifa after Israel fully embrace market economy instead of the Kibbotzism in early years. The port facilities of Beirut had actually been crucially important to the arrival of weapons and soldiers to help Israel fight the 1948 war during its founding. The Assad family thought they were on good terms with Israel after they reigned in Muslim forces in Lebanon so Israel could withdraw from its misadventure into Lebanon (having the old Assad's son, the young Assad, educated in London). ISIS wouldn't be able to hold onto the scraps of land on the Golan Heights without Israeli support/sheltering.

richwicks says

Why is Israel hated so much? Jews have been living in that regions for CENTURIES, why is ISRAEL hated so much?

Because they're assholes, and they are egregious assholes, and because they just keep getting worse, year, after year, after year, after year, eventually, they will be overwhelmed. When the US collapses. Israel is going to be slaughtered and it's not like they haven't been egging on the entire Middle East for decades. They are the main source of instability there.

Well, I try to draw a line between the government vs. the people, as we know government officials are nowadays often/usually bankster agents that are bought and paid for to throw the general population under the bus (e.g. Zelensky regime throwing Ukrainians under the bus). What you are saying has a very high probability of happening. That high risk of tragic outcome is precisely why I hope there can be a more peaceful solution to the conflict. There is currently a significant peace movement in Israel among the people. Many Israeli citizens don't believe the lies from their government either.

richwicks says

Look, everything that is done is recorded, you have translation tools, you have NOBODIES on the ground that have no agenda other than "look at this", it's been around for fucking 30 years, and you still can't use it.

I can edit a video in 10 minutes to make it look like what I want. My kids can do it and the oldest is 13. You're out of your element Rich. I don't care what you know. 99% of what you see in any conflict is bull shit. Fog of war. RELIGION.

This region will be in turmoil until you die. Not sure your age, but hopefully you live another 50 years if it's enjoyable. No nation or state will change this. No intelligence agency. This is religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_organizations

Wiki, but religion has TRILLIONS in assets. As much or more than many governments.

Check the citations. They'll probably all be lies according to you. Religion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr more of a sickness than government.

Reality says

What you are saying has a very high probability of happening. That high risk of tragic outcome is precisely why I hope there can be a more peaceful solution to the conflict.

And this is the point of criticizing ISRAEL. They are certainly dragging every Israeli citizen to eventual catastrophe. The Israelis are more brainwashed than Americans are.

Israelis are convinced they are constantly under attack for NO REASON AT ALL, and that "If the Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace". This is total bullshit. Israel when in either under truce or not, just keeps expanding and displacing Palestinians, and they've been doing this since they were created, and will continue to do this until they are destroyed. They won't stop with the West Bank and Gaza absorbed, they are in the Golan, and they will expand further, and they would have expanded into Lebanon but Hezbollah stopped them. They aren't doing anything with Jordan and Egypt AT THE MOMENT but they will, they have a history of doing this. They're not going to stop until they are destroyed.

If they were EVER serious about a two state solution, they could have done it decades ago, they don't need the cooperation of the Palestinians to do it.

WookieMan says

I can edit a video in 10 minutes to make it look like what I want. My kids can do it and the oldest is 13. You're out of your element Rich. I don't care what you know. 99% of what you see in any conflict is bull shit. Fog of war. RELIGION.

I've been watching this conflict for 30 years with eyes wide open. I know what exactly is going on.

I remember when Google reduced resolution on Palestinian and West bank areas supposedly to "prevent terrorism" or some other bullshit, they just don't want you to see what Israel does. You can still see Palestinian refugee camps in other nations, if you think to look for them, and I bet you never have.

It's Israel that constantly lies, they lie because they have to lie. That's why you heard about 40 beheaded babies over and over again. It's just justification for what Israel planned to do. Their policy is to lie. It's always been. You think your media will tell the truth, no it won't. This time, it's SO FUCKING BAD, that the media is sort of telling a LITTLE bit of the truth.

Engh, you'll see. Again, I predict over 100,000 dead at the end of this, and we'll see pictures of distended bellies and kids starved to death, and I also predict that Israel is going to retake northern Gaza. We'll see.

WookieMan says

This region will be in turmoil until you die. Not sure your age, but hopefully you live another 50 years if it's enjoyable. No nation or state will change this. No intelligence agency. This is religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_organizations

No, it's not religion. There isn't a thousand years of animosity between Jews and Muslims. There is with Jews and Christians. Basically, Zionists have had the "Judeo Christian" bullshit for a mere 100 years, and that will end, and after the way Israel has acted (especially purposely equating Judaism with Zionism) they've ended a 1000 year truce with the Muslims.

Calling Zionism "Judaism" is like calling the KKK "Christianity" or "Protestantism". Zionists are nothing more than Jewish bigots. They have worked HARD to conflate their stupid, impossible to last movement, with the religion, and the ENTIRE religion will pay for it eventually.

WookieMan says

Religion is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr more of a sickness than government.

It's not religion that is causing this, this is government.

If the US wasn't involved and never got involved, Israel would have worked out a solution decades ago, instead, they've made it worse. There's MILLIONS of Palestinians in refugee camps all over the Middle East, and they exist, because Israel forced them to exist. That's where you get enmity. Most of the Middle East is Shia, the Palestinians are Sunni.

Religion is false I think, however, "people" seem to need something bigger than themselves and forced atheism ends up being worship of the state, and that's a lot worse than religion. The worst is when religion is mixed with the state, and Israel PURPOSELY DOES THIS. They're stupid. I don't think Israel will make it to 100 years. I don't think the US will be in any shape to continue to protect them after 10 more years, maybe less.

richwicks says

The Israelis are more brainwashed than Americans are.

I completely disagree. The only people who side with the Israeli government are all non-Jewish Americans. Majority of Jews do not support the holocaust of the Palestinian's, and the Israeli citizenry have said 10/7 was a fraud from the git-go.
Yes there are a few Zionist extremists, but they are a minority, just like the white supremacists in the US.

The biggest supporters of the Israeli government are the US government, and brainwashed US citizenry. And their hate speech will be remembered once US support collapses, and the full truth of the evil that has gone on in Gaza is brought to light.

richwicks says

No, it's not religion. There isn't a thousand years of animosity between Jews and Muslims. There is with Jews and Christians. Basically, Zionists have had the "Judeo Christian" bullshit for a mere 100 years, and that will end, and after the way Israel has acted (especially purposely equating Judaism with Zionism) they've ended a 1000 year truce with the Muslims.

Calling Zionism "Judaism" is like calling the KKK "Christianity" or "Protestantism". Zionists are nothing more than Jewish bigots. They have worked HARD to conflate their stupid, impossible to last movement, with the religion, and the ENTIRE religion will pay for it eventually.

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THIS

The Muslims largely had a habit of not expelling Jews prior to the 19th century, unlike the Russians and the Spanish, among others. Back then, the options wrt Christians were: convert, GTFO or die, while Muslims added a 4th option - pay an additional tax. Jews, like Christians, were regarded by Muslims as "people of the Book" and (by Medieval standards) therefore were accorded special privileges over pagan/infidel peoples - the Muslims were a lot more scorched earth brutal to the peoples of the Indian subcontinent.

Things went downhill after the Turks took over from the Arabs in the 15th century (Ottoman Empire).

richwicks says

It's not religion that is causing this, this is government.

It's 100% is religion. Religion is government. Is that not obvious? People and government use religion as a way to justify their wrongs. Oops, my bad, I'll just tell my fictional god about it so I can sleep better at night.

My own uncle did this for decades. Screwed people over. Lives in Scottsdale in a $15M house with probably 9 figures of net worth. Guess what, he's a bible banger and trashed many, many, many people along the way to get there.

War is religion. Always has been. It's a weapon to not feel guilt for being a shit human. https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-were-slaves--research-suggests-white-slavery-was-much-more-common-than-previously-believed/

Muslims have been at odds with any other religions for centuries. You just paid a tax to live in peace with them or they'd kill or enslave you. Thought this was common knowledge. Sunni and Shia cannot even fucking agree in their own fictional religion... https://the.ismaili/global/news/features/shia-and-sunni-understanding-different-muslim-interpretations

Religions were invented by barbaric idiots to extract toll money from people. It then merged with government as we got to the 19th century. Religion and government were always at odds. Now they're united. I guess I'm taking crazy pills....