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I am all for China flooding the US with Cheap electric cars, and for a great reason.
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2023 Nov 4, 6:58am 3,082 views 52 comments
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WookieMan
2023 Dec 29, 4:09am
WookieMan
2023 Dec 29, 4:09am
UkraineIsFucked says
I get we have the capacity to do it quicker. It's not going to happen. We will need to bring coal plants back online. They generally don't demolish them as the land is an environmental hazard pain in the ass. So new power capacity to "fuel" up everyones new cyber truck is the absolute complete opposite of clean/green energy.
Nuclear is also a classic NIMBY topic. It's not even about regulation. In my area people bitch and put signs about about a fucking solar farm. Sure they look like shit, but no one wants a nuke in their backyard as they charge their Tesla. The hypocrisy to amazing. People need to just admit they like a car that is fun to drive and does absolute damage to the environment. More than ICE vehicles. It's not even a debate.
The day of reckoning is coming. We barely have the capacity to handle current EV demand. Hell before Tesla was even a thing there are plenty of areas with brownouts and other power issues. We're adding batteries that take hours to charge and now cyber truck with larger battery pack. All I'm saying is the EV homers are gonna get a rude awaking. It's not like adding a freezer to the house that runs for 5-10 minutes an hour max. It's a power draw for 3 hours at home to "fill" up.
Also I wouldn't trust a damn thing the Chinese do. That covid hospital they built in 10 days... lol. Not the best source to mention as we've seen their building topple over.
WookieMan says
We need 20-30 years to build nukes, which are regulation intensive
That is entirely a political thing. Chinese build reactors in under 5 years. New Gen 3 ones, too.
We can do it in 7-10 if we cleaned out the NRC of the greentards that deliberately make the regs we have today.
Then there are SMRs.
I get we have the capacity to do it quicker. It's not going to happen. We will need to bring coal plants back online. They generally don't demolish them as the land is an environmental hazard pain in the ass. So new power capacity to "fuel" up everyones new cyber truck is the absolute complete opposite of clean/green energy.
Nuclear is also a classic NIMBY topic. It's not even about regulation. In my area people bitch and put signs about about a fucking solar farm. Sure they look like shit, but no one wants a nuke in their backyard as they charge their Tesla. The hypocrisy to amazing. People need to just admit they like a car that is fun to drive and does absolute damage to the environment. More than ICE vehicles. It's not even a debate.
The day of reckoning is coming. We barely have the capacity to handle current EV demand. Hell before Tesla was even a thing there are plenty of areas with brownouts and other power issues. We're adding batteries that take hours to charge and now cyber truck with larger battery pack. All I'm saying is the EV homers are gonna get a rude awaking. It's not like adding a freezer to the house that runs for 5-10 minutes an hour max. It's a power draw for 3 hours at home to "fill" up.
Also I wouldn't trust a damn thing the Chinese do. That covid hospital they built in 10 days... lol. Not the best source to mention as we've seen their building topple over.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Dec 29, 9:41am
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Dec 29, 9:41am
WookieMan says
They are being converted to be nat gas plants. Some might be converted into geothermal because fracking tech can be applied to expand geothermal to most of the country.
So, better to build more pipelines than reopen coal plants.
WookieMan says
My fav thing to do is tell Tesla owners that. Highest return-on-effort trolling out there presently. :)
We will need to bring coal plants back online. They generally don't demolish them as the land is an environmental hazard pain in the ass. So new power capacity to "fuel" up everyones new cyber truck is the absolute complete opposite of clean/green energy.
They are being converted to be nat gas plants. Some might be converted into geothermal because fracking tech can be applied to expand geothermal to most of the country.
So, better to build more pipelines than reopen coal plants.
WookieMan says
More than ICE vehicles. It's not even a debate.
My fav thing to do is tell Tesla owners that. Highest return-on-effort trolling out there presently. :)
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HeadSet
2023 Dec 29, 2:38pm
HeadSet
2023 Dec 29, 2:38pm
WookieMan says
Same around here. Liberal voting despite being rural King and Queen County had county government viciously fight a Dominion Power solar farm. You would have to drive down some backroads to even see it.
In my area people bitch and put signs about about a fucking solar farm.
Same around here. Liberal voting despite being rural King and Queen County had county government viciously fight a Dominion Power solar farm. You would have to drive down some backroads to even see it.
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WookieMan
2023 Dec 29, 2:57pm
WookieMan
2023 Dec 29, 2:57pm
UkraineIsFucked says
I don't want to troll. I just want to point out how hypocritical they are. It's kind of not funny. EV's (government subsidies) and Musk are pushing this hard. There's no way we can handle a doubling of EV's without massive electric output "fueling" it. You have to restart coal. Nat gas is somewhat quicker as you say, but still 2-4 years for a single plant.
My concern is me. These people thinking they're green are going to cost me substantially more. We have to pay for it. I will fight though and make sure EV owners pay for electric increases and the new plants/nukes we'll need. This is classic government shooting itself in the foot. It's basic math. The electric has to come from something. It's not solar or wind. EV's are trash for the environment. Fun to drive though.
My fav thing to do is tell Tesla owners that. Highest return-on-effort trolling out there presently. :)
I don't want to troll. I just want to point out how hypocritical they are. It's kind of not funny. EV's (government subsidies) and Musk are pushing this hard. There's no way we can handle a doubling of EV's without massive electric output "fueling" it. You have to restart coal. Nat gas is somewhat quicker as you say, but still 2-4 years for a single plant.
My concern is me. These people thinking they're green are going to cost me substantially more. We have to pay for it. I will fight though and make sure EV owners pay for electric increases and the new plants/nukes we'll need. This is classic government shooting itself in the foot. It's basic math. The electric has to come from something. It's not solar or wind. EV's are trash for the environment. Fun to drive though.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Jan 5, 8:32am
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2024 Jan 5, 8:32am
WookieMan says
Same thing as far as they are concerned.
WookieMan says
Restarting coal isn't going to increase the output. Not really.
Also, the real hangup before we get into the output issue (except in the bluetard states that do not produce enough power domestically, perhaps) is distribution. Electrical distribution infrastructure has to be expanded at least 4x. Not gonna happen.
Oh, and because we are massively re-industrializing and need to do even more, industrial growth will compete for insufficient electrical supply against other uses for the first time in over 60 years as well.
WookieMan says
All the more reason to at least troll the fuckers. You can't reason with them. And they never even see hypocrisy when they look in the mirror. They can't allow it.
You and I have our rows. But I like to think we have more in common as far as how we are hardwired in the brainpan than we do with these libtards.
I don't want to troll. I just want to point out how hypocritical they are.
Same thing as far as they are concerned.
WookieMan says
There's no way we can handle a doubling of EV's without massive electric output "fueling" it. You have to restart coal.
Restarting coal isn't going to increase the output. Not really.
Also, the real hangup before we get into the output issue (except in the bluetard states that do not produce enough power domestically, perhaps) is distribution. Electrical distribution infrastructure has to be expanded at least 4x. Not gonna happen.
Oh, and because we are massively re-industrializing and need to do even more, industrial growth will compete for insufficient electrical supply against other uses for the first time in over 60 years as well.
WookieMan says
These people thinking they're green are going to cost me substantially more
All the more reason to at least troll the fuckers. You can't reason with them. And they never even see hypocrisy when they look in the mirror. They can't allow it.
You and I have our rows. But I like to think we have more in common as far as how we are hardwired in the brainpan than we do with these libtards.
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HeadSet
2024 Jan 5, 10:15am
HeadSet
2024 Jan 5, 10:15am
UkraineIsFucked says
Correct. Not enough current will be the reason to force the public to about 1/4 of what they drive currently.
Electrical distribution infrastructure has to be expanded at least 4x. Not gonna happen.
Correct. Not enough current will be the reason to force the public to about 1/4 of what they drive currently.
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SunnyvaleCA
2024 Jan 6, 7:03pm
RWSGFY says
We have this here where I live already. It's called "time based use" cost of electricity. I know that my rates are cheaper outside the hours of 4 PM to 9 PM, so if I had an EV I'd program it to charge starting after 9. That seems pretty simple.
Taking this one step further (and I think it already is in some places), we could have an additional step-down in prices between midnight and 4 AM (or whenever).
Now that we're in the 21st century, it should be easy enough to have continuously variable electricity pricing and then I could program my car to optimize the costs. It would be a fun game for computer geeks until someone wakes up ready to commute in the morning to find out their car didn't charge.
Additionally, California has gone pretty far in solar voltaics. Charging from 10 AM until 3 PM (or whenever it is that the panels are making lots of electricity but A/C systems aren't yet working hard) would be a great way to even out the solar surge.
PumpingRedheads says
HeadSet says
If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.
They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.
Didn't Swiss passed something along these lines recently?
We have this here where I live already. It's called "time based use" cost of electricity. I know that my rates are cheaper outside the hours of 4 PM to 9 PM, so if I had an EV I'd program it to charge starting after 9. That seems pretty simple.
Taking this one step further (and I think it already is in some places), we could have an additional step-down in prices between midnight and 4 AM (or whenever).
Now that we're in the 21st century, it should be easy enough to have continuously variable electricity pricing and then I could program my car to optimize the costs. It would be a fun game for computer geeks until someone wakes up ready to commute in the morning to find out their car didn't charge.
Additionally, California has gone pretty far in solar voltaics. Charging from 10 AM until 3 PM (or whenever it is that the panels are making lots of electricity but A/C systems aren't yet working hard) would be a great way to even out the solar surge.
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AD
2024 Mar 4, 12:03pm
AD
2024 Mar 4, 12:03pm
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Speaking of EVs and China, I researched that 556,000 Tesla EVs were sold in China in 2022.
Tesla sold a total of 1.3 million EVs in 2022, which the 1.3 million was a 40% increase in 2021 sales.
Just like with Apple, are the Chicoms learning and copying from Tesla so eventually Tesla is no more a noticeable presence in China just like Apple ?
Tesla stock is at 189 compared to all time high in 2021 at 407, and 2023 low of 113 set in January.
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Speaking of EVs and China, I researched that 556,000 Tesla EVs were sold in China in 2022.
Tesla sold a total of 1.3 million EVs in 2022, which the 1.3 million was a 40% increase in 2021 sales.
Just like with Apple, are the Chicoms learning and copying from Tesla so eventually Tesla is no more a noticeable presence in China just like Apple ?
Tesla stock is at 189 compared to all time high in 2021 at 407, and 2023 low of 113 set in January.
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People seem to think or envision a future where a charging station is in front of every parking space. That will never be the case.
Next issue is the fires that are going to burn out of control, at work, at home, in the garage, there will be carnage. Especially with cheap Chinese battery operated devices. I don't expect EVs to be any different, than the fires caused by those hoverboards, that were a fad 5 years back. Now you never ever see them, they were a menace.
At least the price is right for a failed experiment, people wont be getting tax dollars to piss away on a Fait accompli.
I give it another 5 years, and EVs will be an embarrassing footnote to History.
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2023/11/03/auto-industry-analyst-china-is-the-ev-godzilla-poised-to-smash-everything-in-its-path/
How ever if it's a success and everything Im saying turns out to be nonissues. Then at least these dumped Chinese EVs will end the subsidies, and elitist status symbol that Tesla and other US EV models has become. They will be forced to make EVs that people can buy without a check from the government.