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I am all for China flooding the US with Cheap electric cars, and for a great reason.


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2023 Nov 4, 6:58am   3,043 views  52 comments

by Tenpoundbass   ➕follow (9)   💰tip   ignore  

It has long been my assertion, well scientific fact! That if a community or multi unit building had every residents there, buy electric cars and install charging stations, it would blow the transformer and crash the grid for the whole neighborhood. Then the companies that are going to accommodate them, can you just imagine the petty rules, and elitist merits, that companies will allow or not allow their employees to use the limited charging stations at the office?
People seem to think or envision a future where a charging station is in front of every parking space. That will never be the case.
Next issue is the fires that are going to burn out of control, at work, at home, in the garage, there will be carnage. Especially with cheap Chinese battery operated devices. I don't expect EVs to be any different, than the fires caused by those hoverboards, that were a fad 5 years back. Now you never ever see them, they were a menace.
At least the price is right for a failed experiment, people wont be getting tax dollars to piss away on a Fait accompli.
I give it another 5 years, and EVs will be an embarrassing footnote to History.

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2023/11/03/auto-industry-analyst-china-is-the-ev-godzilla-poised-to-smash-everything-in-its-path/

How ever if it's a success and everything Im saying turns out to be nonissues. Then at least these dumped Chinese EVs will end the subsidies, and elitist status symbol that Tesla and other US EV models has become. They will be forced to make EVs that people can buy without a check from the government.

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3   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2023 Nov 4, 9:23am  

ad says


I like that the Prius hybrid has both an electric motor and gasoline engine.


The new Prius Prime is somewhat sporting looking with about twice the HP as prior models: 200. I think at 50mpg it's more efficient as well.
4   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 4, 12:55pm  

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Chevy Bolt is only about $27,000 MSRP


Bolt is discontinued. Most cheap cars will be.

Hybrids are not EVs. Can't be compared.

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/chevrolet-bolt-discontinued/
5   AD   2023 Nov 4, 7:14pm  

PumpingRedheads says

Hybrids are not EVs. Can't be compared.


Yes, I understand as the range is about 44 miles for a Toyota Prius Hybrid on the electric batteries and electric motor. So its good as far as commuting to work and then charging it at night. Its a commuter car for electric vehicle (EV) mode.

Nissan Leaf has a base MSRP of $28,140.

I just saw Tesla's website which shows a $31,490 MSRP for Tesla 3.

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6   Ceffer   2023 Nov 4, 7:35pm  

A Chinese satellite can fly over and make them all blow up at the same time. Better than carpet bombing in WWII.
7   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 4, 7:42pm  

28K is not cheap for a base car. That 28K gets you hubcaps, cloth upholstery, and crank window handles.
8   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 4, 7:52pm  

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.
9   AD   2023 Nov 4, 10:15pm  

Tenpoundbass says

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.


I understand. We got lucky back around April 2021 with the lowest price Honda CRV (white color) at $32,000 out the door with extended warranty (100,000 miles or 8 years) and 1.5% financing for 6 years.

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10   HeadSet   2023 Nov 5, 6:12am  

Tenpoundbass says

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.

Yes, just like trying to buy a 2-door pickup truck and all the dealers have on the lot are the upscale 4 door versions.
11   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 6, 1:01pm  

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

At my apartment laundry, if some asshole leaves their done laundry in the machine for more than 20 min, I pull their crap out and put on top of the machine so I can start my laundry. I expect the same treatment if I leave my clothes in there too long.

EV geeks are already doing the same with parked EVs that are done charging. Only the spoiled EV owners are used to having their own laundry machines so go ballistic.
12   RWSGFY   2023 Nov 6, 2:18pm  

PumpingRedheads says


I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

At my apartment laundry, if some asshole leaves their done laundry in the machine for more than 20 min, I pull their crap out and put on top of the machine so I can start my laundry. I expect the same treatment if I leave my clothes in there too long.

EV geeks are already doing the same with parked EVs that are done charging. Only the spoiled EV owners are used to having their own laundry machines so go ballistic.


"The same" meaning they put EVs of spoiled owners on top of the chargers? 🤡
13   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 6, 2:29pm  

So China is striking while the Iron is being submerged in ice water. I think the tech challenges, failures, hazards, and charging logistics, is what is going to do it in. Even if they sold EVs for $3500, eventually local fire safety and electrical codes, will put the brakes on it

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/report-googles-green-dream-goes-downhill-100-electric/

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/11/06/self-driving-disaster-gms-cruise-enters-damage-control-mode-over-robotaxi-fiasco/
14   HeadSet   2023 Nov 6, 5:36pm  

PumpingRedheads says

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

I do not think it will get to that point. If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM. Also how often, such as once every two weeks. The goal of the EV mandate is not to get less carbon than ICE, it is to curtail driving by the public.
15   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Nov 6, 8:27pm  

HeadSet says

If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.


They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.
16   HeadSet   2023 Nov 6, 8:41pm  

PumpingRedheads says

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

10 years ago we would not shut down the country for a cold and force injections. If everyone has an electric car and the corresponding demand on the grid, we will have charging restrictions.
17   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 7, 4:37am  

I think ultimately they want Government controlled on demand EV's that you don't actually own yourself. But a taxi or government self driving Uber.
Or even all electric buses.
18   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 7, 4:40am  

As that would be the ONLY way electric vehicles for the masses will be feasible. A scenario where local Electric companies can set up power stations, that's sole purpose are to charge hundreds or thousands of EVs, and can control the wattage without it bringing down the grid.
The best place for Charging stations would be right outside the gate of an FP&L power plant.
20   RWSGFY   2023 Dec 5, 8:19pm  

PumpingRedheads says

HeadSet says


If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.


They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.


Didn't Swiss passed something along these lines recently?
21   HeadSet   2023 Dec 6, 7:11am  

PumpingRedheads says

HeadSet says


If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.


They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

Can you not see trends?

How about this:
It is the year 2010 and someone says that in the future, with all the "trans rights" push, we will have men who claim to be women competing and winning on women's sports teams.

Your answer "They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world."
22   zzyzzx   2023 Dec 15, 6:23am  

Obligatory:


23   HeadSet   2023 Dec 15, 5:10pm  

Anyone think Ford could bring back the Pinto as an EV? Pinto-E.
24   Tenpoundbass   2023 Dec 15, 8:07pm  

HeadSet says

Anyone think Ford could bring back the Pinto as an EV? Pinto-E.

I was just thinking today, how Ford could resurrect the PInto with modern look and materials.
They almost could just put a Ford Badge on the Mazda 3 hatchbacks, and call them a PInto.
But definitely a 2 door coupe, and not 4 doors. I don't know about electric.
How about an AMC Gremlin EV?
25   RWSGFY   2023 Dec 15, 8:26pm  

Tenpoundbass says

HeadSet says


Anyone think Ford could bring back the Pinto as an EV? Pinto-E.

I They almost could just put a Ford Badge on the Mazda 3 hatchbacks, and call them a PInto.


Mazda is not under Ford's yoke anymore.
26   Onvacation   2023 Dec 16, 8:12am  

Back in 1950's Germany you could take your VW bug to shops that would pull your old engine and install a rebuilt one in a half hour. One solution for EV's is to have easily swappable batteries. You could pull into a station and they could drop your discharged battery and install a charged one in less time than it takes to fill up your RAV4 with gas.
28   Booger   2023 Dec 25, 2:59pm  

Onvacation says

Back in 1950's Germany you could take your VW bug to shops that would pull your old engine and install a rebuilt one in a half hour. One solution for EV's is to have easily swappable batteries. You could pull into a station and they could drop your discharged battery and install a charged one in less time than it takes to fill up your RAV4 with gas.


Good for fleets, but I don't want someone else's used battery.
29   HeadSet   2023 Dec 25, 3:51pm  

Booger says

Good for fleets, but I don't want someone else's used battery.

Yes, but they are also getting your used battery.
30   Onvacation   2023 Dec 25, 4:15pm  

Seems to me a charged and tested battery in minutes beats lining up at the supercharger station.
32   Booger   2023 Dec 27, 7:01am  

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/ev-graveyard-reckoning-hardly-anyone-wants-buy-used-one

The EV Graveyard Reckoning, Hardly Anyone Wants To Buy A Used One
33   WookieMan   2023 Dec 27, 7:09am  

Booger says





lol. Not a joke, but always keep a roll of TP in your car. I've had to drop a #2 on the side of the road a few times. Back when the Boy Scouts weren't gay, be prepared was a pretty good slogan. I also would shit in our vacant listings if I needed to. Brought my own roll.

Such a derailment of the thread, but whatever. Kohl's if you're a dude is the best place to take a shit during working hours M-F. It's only women in the store. They keep their bathrooms clean. And 99% of the time it will be a solo dump with no one in there. All bets are off on weekends though.
35   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2023 Dec 27, 11:34am  

Onvacation says

Back in 1950's Germany you could take your VW bug to shops that would pull your old engine and install a rebuilt one in a half hour. One solution for EV's is to have easily swappable batteries. You could pull into a station and they could drop your discharged battery and install a charged one in less time than it takes to fill up your RAV4 with gas.


This...

Plus some sort of automatic battery ejection mechanism for when the batteries catch on fire.
36   Booger   2023 Dec 27, 3:35pm  

just_passing_through says

Plus some sort of automatic battery ejection mechanism for when the batteries catch on fire.


Not going to happen. Not practical. Plus where are you going to potentially eject it to? I mean unless you can eject it to the ocean or a lake, what good is it going to do.
37   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2023 Dec 27, 6:56pm  

@booger I was just joking. I know my jokes aren't as funny as yours but I guess that one was unusually flat.
38   HeadSet   2023 Dec 27, 8:18pm  

just_passing_through says

Plus some sort of automatic battery ejection mechanism for when the batteries catch on fire.

Just do a "hot swap."
39   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2023 Dec 28, 11:49am  

Could always eject the passengers instead?
40   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Dec 28, 10:05pm  

EVs are piling up on car dealership lots. Car dealers report a six- to 12-month supply of EVs versus a month of gas vehicles. “We have a steady number of clients that have attempted to or flat-out returned their [electric] car,” says Paul LaRochelle, a dealership executive in the Washington, D.C. region. According to S&P Global Mobility, half of non-Tesla EV owners purchase an internal combustion engine for their next vehicle.

These meaningful EV costs come with only minor operational savings. “Over four days, we spent $175 on charging,” reports the four-day EV renter. “We estimated the equivalent cost for gas in a Kia Forte would have been $275.” Other analyses show a fast charge costs around $13 for 100 miles of range — the same amount as $3.25-a-gallon gas for a car that gets 25 miles to the gallon. EVs are also more expensive to maintain, with Consumer Reports finding they have nearly twice as many problems.


https://themessenger.com/opinion/electric-vehicle-consumers-climate-biden-green-agenda
41   WookieMan   2023 Dec 28, 10:28pm  

UkraineIsFucked says

These meaningful EV costs come with only minor operational savings. “Over four days, we spent $175 on charging,” reports the four-day EV renter. “We estimated the equivalent cost for gas in a Kia Forte would have been $275.” Other analyses show a fast charge costs around $13 for 100 miles of range — the same amount as $3.25-a-gallon gas for a car that gets 25 miles to the gallon. EVs are also more expensive to maintain, with Consumer Reports finding they have nearly twice as many problems.

The charging thing is a joke. Utilities will get that "charge" money at the same level as pumping gas. This was always coming. 2025 it won't be cheaper to have an EV. Hybrids with electric for the first 30-50 miles are the future. We need 20-30 years to build nukes, which are regulation intensive. Early adaptors got lucky and the likes of Tesla will ultimately renege on the free super charging. It's coming. Raising rates on ALL customers is hard when there's more demand AND you need more output. Nukes or coal. Those are the options. They aren't cheap.
42   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2023 Dec 28, 10:47pm  

WookieMan says

We need 20-30 years to build nukes, which are regulation intensive


That is entirely a political thing. Chinese build reactors in under 5 years. New Gen 3 ones, too.

We can do it in 7-10 if we cleaned out the NRC of the greentards that deliberately make the regs we have today.

Then there are SMRs.

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