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Make up a critical test for the theory in your mind, that would at least have a 95 percent statistical validation. This isn't 'data harvesting', which presumes the truth of usually slanted underlying 'data' without researching the validity of the underlying data. Literally, anything can be 'proven' with data harvesting. Not much different than AI, which is agnostic to data, but can be slanted with programming toward a particular subset of choices.

Testimonials from people who drink? Mostly, they just state that their drinking is 'fine' without consequences (drinking solipsism) and will usually just lie to make their amount 'socially acceptable' even if they are routinely drunk.

Controlled drinking in a population, by making them drink a certain amount every day in a long term longitudinal study? Absurd. The people in the study who don't like to drink will fake that they drank, the alcoholics will get shit faced and claim they stuck to the protocol etc. etc.

Isolating the effects of alcohol in a heterogeneous population suffering from many varying mixed patterns of possible genetic or acquired pathologies? Well, good luck with that one. The allegation of heart health (when alcohol is a known muscle toxin) is absurd on its face.

Alzheimer's reduction? Alzheimer's is seldom a specific diagnosis, but is usually a garbage pail diagnosis of many senile diatheses of many often unspecified etiologies. Again, the problem of adequate controls and longitudinal studies will wind up anecdotal at best.

May the best and most pleasing and commercially successful anecdote mythology win.

Patrick says

I'm pretty sure that the evidence of increased life expectancy with one drink a day is overwhelming, far beyond any doubt.

But I get what you're saying, a lot of research is created simply to please businesses which have influence over science funding.

i have research proving that if everyone sends me money it’ll increase world happiness and lifespan.

joking of course, but all the research and articles paid for by companies looking for conclusions or they won’t fund it. wsj and forbes all full of shit imo, i read too much bullshit there.

Genetics plays a huge role.

There's a lot of bulslhit about salt consumption. About 90% of the population is salt INsensitive. They just piss out the extra sodium, no harm, no fowl and the temporary boost in sodium does bupkiss to the circulation. At most a few points of elevated blood pressure shortly after the high salt consumption, then a few hours later it's flushed.

But 10% of the population is salt sensitive, they have to not only control the sodium intake, but make sure they're eating enough salt.

There was a study saying that most cancer drugs don't work on about 20-25% of the population due to the way those particular body chemistries process the drug.

When you get into sophisticated drugs, there's dozens of pathways, and if just one processes it abnormally, you get atypical results. Sometimes it exacerbates problems.

I was just reading a Substack article which claimed that chemotherapy has only a trivial effect on the life expectancy of cancer patients.

Considering the ongoing atrocities of Rockefeller medicine, and the bizarre allowance of physician to directly profit from the sale of the chemotherapeutic agents, one has to wonder. The rug of legitimacy has really been pulled out from under the medical establishment that formerly was trusted.

AmericanKulak says

But 10% of the population is salt sensitive, they have to not only control the sodium intake, but make sure they're eating enough salt.

As someone with higher BP I've read a bit about this. Avoiding salt is not good overall. You need salt. You gotta get your weight down and move more than anything. I've never touched a salt shaker at a restaurant though. I don't get people that do that. It's highly likely the food is already loaded with salt.

Patrick says

I was just reading a Substack article which claimed that chemotherapy has only a trivial effect on the life expectancy of cancer patients.

You can cook any study to get the results you want. Here if you take difficult to treat cancers only one can make that claim, but it doesn't make it right. It always depends. Fluorouracil creme is topical chemotherapy which pretty much cures most skin cancers, with very tolerable side effects. A lot of breast cancer patients are cured permanently with chemo. It's good to be skeptical but there have been massive advancements for the better in the past decades.

WookieMan says

AmericanKulak says

But 10% of the population is salt sensitive, they have to not only control the sodium intake, but make sure they're eating enough salt.

As someone with higher BP I've read a bit about this. Avoiding salt is not good overall. You need salt. You gotta get your weight down and move more than anything. I've never touched a salt shaker at a restaurant though. I don't get people that do that. It's highly likely the food is already loaded with salt.

Another claim that's mostly false except for select patients, sodium generally has no effects on BP. Milk has been demonized for decades now by pediatricians and general MDs, blaming Iron deficiency on milk intake. There is an effect but the benefits of milk far outweigh it except for a few select patients with other issues. Milk, one of the main building blocks of human nutrition has been on the shitlist for a while, cause you must eat ze bugs to lower ze carbon

WookieMan says

Hard liquor is where the alcoholics go to die. I drink daily, not in excess and just some shitty light beer (sorry beer snobs). Just went through the gauntlet of medical tests. MRI, EEG, CT Scan and blood work. Nothing. Totally healthy for a 40 year old with no concerns besides slightly elevated BP which I've had before I even started drinking.

I'm in my mid 60's and go through complete blood testing annually. Gave up the hard stuff years ago, stick with more expensive light beer (Corona Premier, etc.) along with a couple "hard" beers nightly. Eat right and work out moderately 3 to 4 times a week. Blood work clean as a whistle and the plumbing functions nicely. The hard stuff, along with it's complex sugars and carbs, is the killer, at least in my opinion.

mell says

Another claim that's mostly false except for select patients, sodium generally has no effects on BP.

I'm the anecdotal guy. It does 100%. I feel it and measure my BP daily. Any heavy sodium I get hot flashes and I can feel it. We don't have to agree, but it's real. It kicks in after I eat overly salty food. I could start posting what I ate and my BP and it would be pretty damn conclusive. Maybe I'm a freak I guess?

Also, you trust doctors or the medical field after Covid? I sure as fuck don't. I almost died when I was 20 from those fucking idiots. I got lucky my mom was on top of it as a school teacher. Liver biopsy was clean after the surgery, but I almost had my liver fail on me from a gall bladder. Shitting white stools is strange if you know what I'm talking about.

just_passing_through says

It's a surfactant (breaks up fats) and 30 years ago when I was in school it was theorized a small amount helped the circulatory system. Also a very small amount. Like 3oz of a light beer or something and no more, switches on garbage collection in the brain - for more recent research. There is actually a flushing system that usually runs during sleep.

Also anecdotally it seems to prevent common/seasonal respiratory infections roughly at a pace of 2 glasses of wine (mostly red, sometimes beer or hard spirits) per night

About Kid Rock, every whore has a price

Alcohol is good for you:
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/turns-out-alcohol-good-your-health

WTF is this?

Former President Trump urged his followers to give Anheuser-Busch a 'second chance,' after months of criticism the company has faced in from conservatives.

'The Bud Light ad was a mistake of epic proportions,' Trump wrote on his Truth Social website on Tuesday, referencing a brief partnership the company had with transgender influencer Dylan Mulvaney that has cost it billions in market value.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4451760-trump-conservatives-should-give-bud-light-second-chance/

I just posted this in the Trump thread.

The most successful Conservative boycott in our history, and of course the New York Liberal is siding with his big donors and trannies. Trump was on the wrong side of the DeSantis/Disney feud as well. Bob Iger must have said something nice to Trump some time ago......and that is all it takes.

Trump is badly wrong about how much normal people do not want tranny shit crammed down their throats.

But compared to Biden, no contest, not even close.

Patrick says

But compared to Biden, no contest, not even close.

But compared to DeSantis, no contest either.

I can't think of a single issue where Trump is better ideologically or on policy than DeSantis.

What could have been......we could have won AND had a much stronger and competent Conservative in the White House.