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I enjoy running, usually feel really good after it. It does hurt your knees if you do too much downhill, and it's totally possible to get hurt in other ways, but mostly it's fine for me. I go pretty slow now that I'm in my 50's, but it's not a race, at least not anymore. I used to join trail running races along with my wife.

I've caused myself more pain with weights and pullups. I like to keep the weight at the point where I can do eight reps. I've got a 40 lb dumbbell for curls and overhead presses. That's perfect for me. 30 is too little, and 50 is too much. During the work-at-home year, I was doing some weights every hour because being stuck at home was driving me crazy. That was a mistake. It's good to take every other day off at least.

Agree, the GIF is hooooooooooooooooot.

Yeah, I wouldn’t run to lose weight. Just cutting out cheap carbs does it.

Running is primordial. It’s solitary. You have to learn how to pace yourself. You can make unlimited progress in distance and time. And there is that endorphin rush that I don’t usualy get from treadmills, ellipticals, exercycles, etc.

I am doing weights at home - dumbells, cowbells, and am contemplating joining a gym soon to do more.

The GIF - yes, pretty choice. Either that or Homer Simpson.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

cowbells

Does loud clamoring noise cause weight reduction? What about the neighbors?

Running is the worst exercise for heavy people trying to lose weight, esp if they were sedentary.

The last thing you want to do after years of being heavy and sedentary is to start putting a massive shock of all new repetitive, long duration compression stress on your joints.

Best thing is weight lifting but switching rapidly with no rest between different muscle groups. Shoulder, then chest with no rest other than to switch weights, then biceps... no rest. Then start at the beginning. After a set or super set of 5-15 minutes of constant weight lifting, though it be lighter/medium weights, strengthens the ligs over time slowly without the shock.

Then find a cardio exercise. Body weight squats and lunges are powerful if you do them 15-20 minutes. As is simply swimming, esp against the tide/rough water if you're near a beach. Also the salt water is a great cleanser and many micronutrients get absorbed via your skin.

You call it jogging I call it running around
You say you're losing weight but you ain't lost a pound
While you're out jogging with your other friends
I'm home feeding the kids again
You call it joggin' I call it running around
You call it joggin' I call it running around
It's the best release you say you've ever found
Your friends all smile and agree yeah you were running around on me
You call it joggin' I call it running around
Somebody said they saw you down at the corner getting out of some stranger's car
You come home after running for hours ain't even breathing hard
Hm
You call it joggin' I call it running around
The soles of your running shoes they ain't wearing down
While you're out running up and down the streets
I'm at home trying to get the kids to sleep
Sh
You call it joggin' I call it running around
You been out since 5pm
It's now 30 minutes past 10
You blow in all out of breath
Honey you been drinking gin again?
You call it joggin' I call it running around
Draggin' that silly old towel all over town
You come home grinning with your hair all wet
Smelling like shampoo instead of sweat
Mm mm mm
You call it joggin' I call it running around
Oh yeah
You all it joggin' I call it running around
Yeah

I'm really enjoying the salt I made by boiling two gallons of seawater for about a day. I got maybe 3/4 of a pint of salt from that.

The flavor is definitely much better than table salt, but I don't know why.

I'm so old I remember when the Brits thought jogging was a demented, ridiculous fashion of the slope browed United States.

Patrick says

I'm really enjoying the salt I made by boiling two gallons of seawater for about a day. I got maybe 3/4 of a pint of salt from that.

The flavor is definitely much better than table salt, but I don't know why.

You had to boil the water for 12 or so hours? What's the cost to make that amount of salt?

Yes, it took a long time to boil down the water. I figure at least $10 in gas on the stove.

I think the industrial way its done is by putting seawater in large shallow holding pools(?) and letting the sun/heat evaporate the water leaving the salt to sweep up, so to speak.

Tenpoundbass says

You call it jogging I call it running around

LOL! When I was a kid and lost my virginity the chick told her parents she was going out jogging.

Patrick says

I'm really enjoying the salt I made by boiling two gallons of seawater for about a day.

I'm 2 days into a beef bone boil at 170F. Tomorrow 185F so it falls apart.

GNL says

I think the industrial way its done is by putting seawater in large shallow holding pools(?) and letting the sun/heat evaporate the water leaving the salt to sweep up, so to speak.

If you fly over the SF bay you'll see some. Hayward toward South bay. Unless they were cleaned up by now?

Patrick says

I enjoy running, usually feel really good after it.

I use a NordicTrack ski exerciser for the cardio, but it does not have the outdoor ambience that your running has. For that, I do bicycling. No joint injuries so far as no real impact with either.

Running really works for me. When my first son was born 15 years ago I went from 210 down to 175 by running and eating a balanced diet. I would run 6 days per week 5 to 8 miles per day. It worked for me back then.

I developed sciatica pain in 2015 from running so much. A Chiropractor basically told me that I needed more muscle to support my hips and legs. Dead lifts saved me.

Now I run a 5k about 4 times per week after a session of deadlifts, squats and push ups to warm up. No more pain and the weight stays off. Running gets rid of anxiety for me and it's better than eating and having beers all the time.

AmericanKulak says

Running is the worst exercise for heavy people trying to lose weight, esp if they were sedentary.

I'd agree with that for sure. The other thing is history with other athletics. I was a multiple time all state athlete and trained my ass off. Never tore anything, but my knees are shot so running isn't in the works for me. I can knock out a one off 5k here and there if the wife asks. I feel like pure shit though afterward. So probably my bias against running.

I just see people doing it almost daily and they don't look healthy. Some runners are thin, but they likely would be that way without running. Not looking for the comment but I think someone said swimming. Bingo for the win. Literally is the best exercise you can get. Low impact on the body with maximum results. Lifting heavy weights is how you get injured. I know a guy that's basically in a wheel chair at 48(ish) after years of heavy lifting. His back is shot. Crippled basically.

WookieMan says

I can knock out a one off 5k here and there if the wife asks. I feel like pure shit though afterward.

Would you do a 5k without training in advance of the race? If so, that could be part of the problem.

Agree about swimming, but you can run anywhere.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Would you do a 5k without training in advance of the race? If so, that could be part of the problem.

Agree about swimming, but you can run anywhere.

I don't train for anything anymore. I can still knock out a sub 25m 5k without a doubt. Not fast at all, but sill fast for not doing a damn thing. I'll just feel like shit. The problem is even with training I'll feel like shit daily. I don't have the knees for running.

Honestly if you have an hour a day just walk 3 miles. It doesn't have to be running. Just gotta move. Maybe do some light lifting of some sort. I'm anti heavy lifting if that hasn't been noticed. It's not good for you. Good women are NOT attracted to huge muscle. It's not sustainable. Lean, thin and fit. You'll get injured and end up fat and ugly going the heavy route. This is fact 9 out fo 10 times from the people I know. A few can maybe pull it off. It's rare.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

lol. Don't have 'em but you know that hurts.

just_passing_through says

I'm 2 days into a beef bone boil at 170F. Tomorrow 185F so it falls apart.

Is that how bone stock is made?

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Half-way into a marathon these puppies will be slapping her knees. 👹

Patrick says

Is that how bone stock is made?

Correct. You can make a rolling boil which emulsifies and isn't clear or just get it up to temp with a blip here and there and it'll stay clear. Lower temp takes a lot longer.

Also, with respect to time: The longer you simmer bones etc., like this the more histamine is created which some are sensitive to.

I make my own so I don't have to buy those milk boxes of stock that are full of crap or maybe even worse, bullion cubes.

Keeps the air moist indoors in winter and since I left CA I now have a large chest freezer in the garage I'm freezing quarts of stock in.

Emulsified stock is used in Korean soups and Japanese Tonkatsu broth. Most Euro-based recipes look for the clear stuff, the French in particular. (Frog onion soup for example)

RWSGFY says

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Half-way into a marathon these puppies will be slapping her knees. 👹

Marathon? Lol. Her back is blown out in 100 yards. I'll trust the wife's word, that bitch ain't doing 1/4 mile max. Ain't bitching about the GIF though.

I do a 6 mile run about every week that has lots of hills and elevation change. I run primarily for cardio to keep in surfing shape. I do enjoy zoning out, listening to tunes and getting a runner's high, but it is starting to take a toll on my body.

socal2 says

I do a 6 mile run about every week that has lots of hills and elevation change. I run primarily for cardio to keep in surfing shape. I do enjoy zoning out, listening to tunes and getting a runner's high, but it is starting to take a toll on my body.

Aren't you better off swimming? You're already getting in the water if you're surfing. Just do some freestyle swimming along the shore for 20-30 minutes a day. You'll be ripped. Running is just bad on everything. Is it the worst, no. So many better work outs is all.

What running does to the knees, according to a large survey of marathon runners

Many doctors see osteoarthritis as a “wear-and-tear” condition, but a large survey among long-distance runners found no increased knee or hip risks.

“Runners should be encouraged by our results,” Tjong said. “They refute the current dogma that long-distance running predisposes an individual to arthritis of the hip and knee.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/knees-running-osteoarthritis-marathoners-orthopedic-rcna71270

Does running cause arthritis?

Mounting evidence suggests the answer is no.

Mounting evidence suggests that that running does not cause osteoarthritis, or any other joint disease.

A study published in 2017 found that recreational runners had lower rates of hip and knee osteoarthritis (3.5%) compared with competitive runners (13.3%) and nonrunners (10.2%).

According to a 2018 study, the rate of hip or knee arthritis among 675 marathon runners was half the rate expected within the US population.

A 2022 analysis of 24 studies found no evidence of significant harm to the cartilage lining the knee joints on MRIs taken just after running.

These are just a few of the published medical studies on the subject. Overall, research suggests that running is an unlikely cause of arthritis — and might even be protective.

The bottom line

Trends in recent research suggest that running does not wear out your joints. That should be reassuring for those of us who enjoy running. And if you don't like to run, that's fine: try to find forms of exercise that you enjoy more. Just don't base your decision — or excuse — for not running on the idea that it will ruin your joints.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/does-running-cause-arthritis-202304262930

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

What running does to the knees, according to a large survey of marathon runners

Marathon runners generally are trained athletes, not Joe Bob making a New Year's resolution to lose weight after years of office work.

Running is bad for an overweight/obese sedentary person to start with. Not only are their joints and muscles not up for it, but it puts a sudden new strain on the heart and lungs, PLUS they have added weight. I've seen paunchy runners, but no obese ones.

The worst thing overdoing it with free weights is a few days absence from the gym from DOMS.

As for arthritis, the amazing power of self-selection. A weightlifter in his 60s and 70s probably has no rotator cuff issues. Those that did, stopped.

Best exercise of all for sedentary people looking to get back into things is swimming in chop. Balance, core, a little cardio. Merely walking waist deep in rough water is also good.

AmericanKulak says

Best exercise of all for sedentary people looking to get back into things is swimming in chop. Balance, core, a little cardio. Merely walking waist deep in rough water is also good.

Chair Yoga is good, too.

I am not joking.

So I am sitting back with a nice runner’s high. Hard to describe it. You feel really relaxed with a body type high.

I laid off running recently cause I switched to the really cushiony Brooks Glycerin 20’s, which tweaked my lower back. I should have known better. Same thing happened with Hoka’s. Maybe the rebound from the foot plant? Don’t know, but I am back to the Ghost 15’s and feeling fine.

In the interim, I did elliptical. 15 high intensity intervals with 15 rest intervals in between. 2 minute warmup and 2 minute cool down. Sweat like a pig. Calorie burn between 400-500. And I get to watch videos on the flat screen. The weird thing is, usually the fist 5-10 high intensity intervals, I am at max heart rate, but then the next 10-5, my heart rate drops, even though I am at the same resistance level and at the same RPM’s.

I run for the same amount of time, but my heat rate never gets that high, and I don’t burn as many calories, but I am outdoors. Yeah, I coud run faster, but I am doing the best I can. Machine better than nature?

You guys seem to have trouble of getting pictures of the shoes.

So I do elliptical every day - 35 minutes total, 2 warm up, two cool down, and then 31 minutes of high intensity interval training - 16 high intensity intervals interspersed with 15 low intensity intervals. I use a fitbit to track my heart rate. Usually burn between 400-500 calories, and my max heart rate is for a few younger age groups - its a good way to die.

Anyway I have become a big fan of Starbucks instant coffee. Comes in a small cylindrical tin and makes a surprisingly good cup of coffee. I mothballed my Moccamaster coffee machine as I stopped routinely drinking coffee. Used to drink an entire pot a day. Got a bean grinder and fixated on Costco/Starbucks beans. Now, I’ll have a cup of instant when the mood strikes me, or if I require it to be alert for business purposes.

I had two large cups of the instant coffee today and then later hit the elliptical. My average elliptical high intensity interval pace was a lot higher than without caffeine. Plus I got a huge post workout endorphin high afterwards, much moreso than usual.

Caffeine and cardio - there must be studies showing a benefit.

Obligatory:

A recurring elliptical pattern: I do 40 minutes of elliptical every day now. 1-2 minutes of warmup and 1-2 minutes of cool down. But between that, 1 minute high intensity, one minute low intensity, one minute high intensity, etc. So a total of 18-19 high intensity intervals interspersed with 18-19 low intensity rest intervals. The first 5-6 of high intensity intervals, my HR gets jacked to around 165-168 bpm, but for the remainder of the high intensity intervals, it settles down 110-115, even though the resistance and elevation settings are the same. I am looking for a physiological explanation for this. Does anyone have any ideas?

I should be playing tennis instead.

Uh what were you saying? Sorry, I got distracted.