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RayAmerica says

But, but, but … what if the creepy pedophiles didn’t know that they were being clandestinely filmed? Does that scenario ‘fit’ for you?

Fly to a country with lower age of consent. Not counting flight time and time change I could be in a country where the age of consent is 14 by tomorrow and probably find a girl in a day on a commercial flight. Nope, go to a US territory where it's 18. Fly to Columbia (14), Curacao (15), etc. In this hemisphere. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/age-of-consent-by-country

Curacao is about a 3-4 hour flight from East of the Mississippi. An extra hour from St. Thomas and it's one island. These people are not that stupid. They could stay in the same hemisphere rail the local teens and it's not a crime. No trafficking. I think Epstein was just a freak with high power friends.

Epstein's jet never landed on the island. It couldn't. Flight logs are of ZERO meaning. Likely 8M+ people flew to St. Thomas commercially. Did they go to the island? The DOJ and FBI has no evidence. He said she said trials turn into defamation and we essentially get sued by people with big pockets. It's a simple explanation.

Again, did it happen? Probably, but they can't convince a judge or jury on it. They drive to the Ritz take a back entrance and service elevator. Have the receipt for the stay. Boat over in the dark. Then back when the deed was done. There's no video. It was all transferred and deleted to a different country without extradition agreements with the USA. Then deleted. This whole thing is over.

His stateside stuff is probably more provable than the island. You can't prove anyone went to Little St. James. I wish people would listen on here.

Flight logs are of minor importance, though not zero if they corroborate the sex videos.

It's really the videos that are important.

https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/listen-to-michael-wolffs-interview

President Trump’s excoriation of a reporter asking about the so-called Epstein files shattered a long held MAGA mythos that cast him as a redemptive father figure who would soon slay the deep state elite pedophilia/blackmail dragon and free the people from lies.

It’s a doozy, the outburst, and it sent shockwaves through the ranks of Trump loyalists, and even reduced Alex Jones to tears.

As MAGA turned on Trump, elite liberals, right on cue, went anti-Epstein, (decades too late) as Trump was now a full on Epstein denier, making them Epstein alarmists, overnight. ...

https://substack.com/@larrycjohnson/p-167962536

Although Donald Trump and Pam Bondi insist that there is no Epstein Client List… there is a list and it is reproduced above with the permission of its author, Ryan Dawson. Ryan compiled the list the old-fashioned way… he combed through court transcripts and charging documents. He only put names on the list if the victims of Epstein’s pedophilia enterprise identified or named a particular individual. As you peruse the list you will notice that there are some very wealthy, powerful individuals named. Not one of them has brought a libel or slander legal action against Ryan. If he was posting false material, he would have been a certain target of lawsuits.

Here is a short video where Ryan explains his process...

So why has Donald Trump broken his promise to publish the list? I think there are two reasons — neither mutually exclusive. First, Donald Trump probably paid no attention to Ryan’s work and was never familiar with the list. Once he signed the Executive Order to publish the Epstein file, he was then briefed on the actual names and realized that many of them are major donors to his campaign, e.g., Jamie Dimon, Robert Kraft. While there are several names on that list who are confirmed anti-Trumpers, there are others who are friends.

Second, and in my opinion a more important consideration, is that the full Epstein file would expose a foreign intelligence blackmail operation that implicates the Mossad and the CIA. Alexander Acosta, the former Secretary of Labor for Donald Trump, said he was told that Jeffrey Epstein had ties to intelligence. During the controversy surrounding his handling of Epstein’s 2008 plea deal as a U.S. attorney, Acosta reportedly told Trump administration officials that he had been informed Epstein “belonged to intelligence,” and that this was a reason for the unusually lenient plea agreement. It would not surprise me that Bibi Netanyahu asked Trump to pull the plug on releasing the material. Did Trump get something in return from Bibi, such as agreeing to a ceasefire? We will find out in the coming days.

While Trump may think he can smooth this over with his MAGA base, I think he has done serious damage to his Presidency by embracing the lie that, “there is no list.”

Ryan hosted a video podcast from his home in South Korea with me tonight (i.e., Wednesday Eastern time) and we took turns interviewing each other. We started off with the Epstein matter:


original link

https://x.com/WarClandestine/status/1943439441030185242

Ryan Dawson's Substack:

https://www.ryandawson.org/

B.A.C.A.H. says

PeopleUnited says

I’m not sure I’d call a guy who has sex with a teenager a pedophile.

I'm sure.
Can I quote you on that, PeopleUnited?

The difference between 17 and 18 is one second.

Furthermore Mary the mother of Jesus was 15 or 16 at the time of Jesus’s birth. So if having sex with a teenager makes you a pedophile, I guess Jesus’s earthly father is a pedophile. Not to mention that God the father by that standard knocked up a poor teenager. How terrible right?

No, not in my book, but I guess it’s easy to point fingers for some eh?

Maybe stimulating over reaction to test the comm nodes was part of the reason. If any event at all can wedge in some leverage to generate a sense of condemnation for Trump, especially among his own base, it becomes reactive, corrosive, rapid acting, viral and over the top.

Why did Trump reverse on releasing the Epstein video evidence? One explanation I just read somewhere is that many of Trump's biggest donors, friends, and inner circle were caught in Epstein's web. Example given was Jamie Dimon.

So Trump can't let all those videos come out no matter how heinous the crimes. It would devastate his own clique even if he personally is innocent.

1. If there are suspects under investigation, why would you forewarn them by releasing a list?
2. There are plenty of people who are on the list but never to Lolita Island or anywhere else, just exchanging rides on private planes
3. Where is all the evidence? Is this a Trump switcheroo? Get everybody to demand the evidence so they can't attack him when he arrests FBI agents and starts prosecuting them, having IRS investigate, etc.

Once again (because this will NEVER get old):

SUCKERS!!!

Patrick says

It's really the videos that are important.

There are no videos of sex acts. They had tons of time go get rid of it. And the flight logs don't matter. You can't land on the actual island in a jet. You need proof they went to the island, a victims testimony and the supposed video. Otherwise he said she said and you can't prove they went to the island.

I don't care who the supposed people are. I just mentioned countries in this hemisphere where it's legal to screw 14-15 year olds. At cruising altitude these places are 1-2 hours further from where most of these people live versus St. Thomas. Has anyone cared to even look at satellite imagery, a map, or even been there?

They should be focusing on Florida, New York and New Mexico. It's 99% an impossible case with Little St. James.

PanicanDemoralizer says

1. If there are suspects under investigation, why would you forewarn them by releasing a list?
2. There are plenty of people who are on the list but never to Lolita Island or anywhere else, just exchanging rides on private planes
3. Where is all the evidence? Is this a Trump switcheroo? Get everybody to demand the evidence so they can't attack him when he arrests FBI agents and starts prosecuting them, having IRS investigate, etc.

According to https://www.ryandawson.org/ the "list" is pretty much publicly available already in the evidence presented at the various trials that have already happened. Lots of people testified, like hundreds of girls, the pilots, and various staff that saw a lot of stuff.

He also rightly points out that merely being on Epstein's plane or in a photo with him or Ghislane isn't nothing, but it's pretty close to nothing. It just proves some contact. But there was real hard evidence already presented in court many times.

There was enough evidence that Ghislaine is in prison, Epstein was in prison, Jean-Luc Brunel was in prison (where he also mysteriously committed "suicide"), Prince Andrew paid out $16 million, an some banks are being forced to pay settlements to 200 of the Epstein victims:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/26/jpmorgan-jeffrey-epstein-settlement-lawsuit-victims

So he says all the relevant details are already pretty public, and that it's false to say that no one has been charged.

Well, Epstein's own attorney and falsely accused by Epstein victims, DERSH, says there is tons of documents that came out in discovery and are being surpressed... and he wants it all out because there's a lot of false accusations that won't stand scrutiny.

PeopleUnited said:

‘Furthermore Mary the mother of Jesus was 15 or 16 at the time of Jesus’s birth. So if having sex with a teenager makes you a pedophile, I guess Jesus’s earthly father is a pedophile. Not to mention that God the father by that standard knocked up a poor teenager. How terrible right?’

This is the weirdest, most twisted, convoluted analogy that I’ve ever read. And on top of that, it is blasphemous. Obviously this nutcase will go to any extreme in order to make a point. Downright scary the way some people’s twisted minds work. I’ll guarantee that if you knew this creep personally, you wouldn’t want him anywhere near underage kids.

PanicanDemoralizer says

Well, Epstein's own attorney and falsely accused by Epstein victims, DERSH, says there is tons of documents that came out in discovery and are being surpressed... and he wants it all out because there's a lot of false accusations that won't stand scrutiny.

My own impression is that Dershowitz was almost but not quite captured. Seems to have had a topless underage girl on his lap, but claims he had sex with nobody, and that might be true.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/epstein-records-possible-release/

Judicial Watch announced it filed a “joint status report” on July 7 in federal court reporting that the Justice Department and the FBI continue to search for and review records in response to Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit for records regarding Jeffrey Epstein. The lawsuit requests any records on the identities of clients or associates of Epstein. The Justice Department’s disclosure is at odds with the leaked, unsigned and undated Justice Department/FBI memo that suggests no more Epstein records would be disclosed to the American public. The memo was first disclosed late on July 6.

Contradiction to the memo. Not sure what is going on.

MolotovCocktail says

Once again (because this will NEVER get old):

SUCKERS!!!

https://markbisone.substack.com/p/the-new-mad

“Are we still talking about that creep?!” shouts President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho. Who cares about a global blackmail ring that roped in politicians, scientists, billionaire businessman and financiers? Except for literally everyone with a functioning prefrontal cortex, that is. ...

I’m sure there are a few other formulations, including exotic cocktails that somehow combine all of the above. There are also a few small-bore explanations to consider. Maybe Kushner popped up on the radar sweep, or Don Jr. made a guest appearance on a very special episode of Gilligan’s Island? But these possibilities can also be folded neatly in the categories above.

A Dishonorable Mention goes to the now-official version: Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffery Epstein were just a couple of rich perverts, whose only motive was to get jiggy with legendary party animals like “Screamin’”Stephen Hawking, Glenn “Doobie” Dubin, and Bill “Manboobs” Gates.

https://www.kunstler.com/p/flux-rules

No one in America — not even the most deranged, spike-faced, pink-haired transtifas — believes the latest Epstein story as played out by Mr. Trump and AG Bondi in this week’s cabinet parlay: nuthin to see, just a bunch of pointless child porn, fuggeddabowdit...

One thing about Epstein is likely certain: it was an intel operation. And one thing is probable: it was a joint operation between the CIA, Israel’s Mossad, and the UK’s MI6. The object: to get as many political poohbahs on-the-hook for disgraceful behavior of the lowest kind and blackmail-able. Under the thumb. Theories and suppositions abound. ...

One story is that the actual Epstein material, whatever still exists, that is, which might reside in multiple locations, is so destructive to the architecture of global leadership that it must be squelched for the sake of majorly realigning forces, tensions, and polities across the Middle East, namely, the Abraham Accords. Getting all that lined up is more important to Mr. Trump for the moment than defenestrating the various perverts-in-office around Western Civ. It just is. . . so. . . gotta lump it.

The_Deplorable says

LOL

The Border is shut tight
Deportations are ramping up with footage of raids daily
Tax Cuts Permanent
Medicaid/EBT for illegals and non-citizens cut way back
Inflation beat down
Trillions in investment
Markets doing great
Transgenders out of Military
Schools put on notice about Trans and Foreign influence
Vanishing Pride Month
No Nukes for Iran
Lawfare beaten down

All in 170+ days.

All nice, but there are the Epstein videos?

https://x.com/JDVance/status/1434146390217736192

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dan-bongino-fbi-stays-home-from-work-jeffrey-epstein-trump-doj-clash/

FBI's Dan Bongino stays home from work amid clash over Jeffrey Epstein probe at Trump's DOJ

A Justice Department review of the Jeffrey Epstein investigation has sparked a clash between Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino, fueling an atmosphere of uncertainty and recrimination at the department, sources familiar with the matter told CBS News.

Bongino did not show up to work on Friday, according to the sources. One FBI source said Bongino's absence has been a "pressing issue" for the bureau on Friday.

The conflict follows days of fallout over a Justice Department and FBI review of the Epstein probe, which found the disgraced financier died by suicide and there was no "client list" or evidence he blackmailed prominent figures, according to a memo detailing the findings shared with CBS News. Some members of President Trump's base found the review unconvincing.

Lol, "unconvincing" is putting it mildly.