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The_Deplorable says

No because Boeing is now building airplanes with parts that do not meet specs. Recall
that they fired the Quality Control Engineers to eliminate delays during assembly. So
now they are using large hammers during assembly to make parts fit. You cannot
blame the pilots for this.

Check out the early reports on people that know this stuff. It was pilot error. They did a go around. They didn't check the landing gear. There are 3 backups for the gear including manual. Had nothing to do with hydraulic failure on the aircraft which is what media is running with.

They also came in hot if you watch the videos and way too far down the runway for an emergency land if the gear was out. A bird strike doesn't matter on one engine will little fuel. You also put it in the grass for friction not the runway if you were retarded enough not to figure out the gear. They failed both. Pilot error. 100%. Call me out if I'm wrong. They landed without flaps which also could be controlled manually. There's really no other excuse beside language barrier with training or low hours. Pilot error.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj6x1py912o

I manage to land in planes in one of the hardest airports to land in. Midway. Concrete walls all around. Houses with no place to land in an emergency. Lake Michigan being your next best option and that's still 9 miles away roughly so you need altitude to glide. If they were too dumb to not figure out the landing gear they should have put it in the nearby water and avoided explosion like Sully did. You pay insurance for a reason. The pilots worried about losing their jobs and not saving lives and the errors kept compounding and killed themselves with an awful "emergency" landing.

This thread will still be around. Call me out IF I'm wrong. I'll own it.

WookieMan says

Check out the early reports on people that know this stuff. It was pilot error. They did a go around. They didn't check the landing gear. There are 3 backups for the gear including manual. Had nothing to do with hydraulic failure on the aircraft which is what media is running with.

The backups were coded by H1Bs,

The_Deplorable says

https://www.latintimes.com/day-aviation-disasters-shocks-world-3-countries-boeing-737-plane-crashes-570629

Yeah, 3 planes, all the same newly developed model, crashing all over the world in 24 hours.

What it is not, is pilot error.

AmericanKulak says

The_Deplorable says

https://www.latintimes.com/day-aviation-disasters-shocks-world-3-countries-boeing-737-plane-crashes-570629

Yeah, 3 planes, all the same newly developed model, crashing all over the world in 24 hours.

What it is not, is pilot error.

It's pilot error and not going through the checklist. Is it car error when you hit someone? Just blame the car? No, it's your fault 10 out of 10 times. You made a mistake or someone else did. I don't understand this random standard on aviation that you can't blame the pilots, but the aircraft.

So 6 humans made a mistake in 24 hours. Guess what, a lot more than 6 did and more people are dead by a long shot. 1,000 people probably will die tonight in auto accidents. Is that Chevy, GMC, Honda, Toyota, etc. fault?

Also note how all these 737 accidents are foreign pilots. Maybe the language barrier is an issue, but there's a theme. Pilot error. American pilots handled MCAS with no issues. They handle the plane with no issue. All the fatal and dip shit landings are foreign pilots. Maybe Boeing has a training issue, but ultimately that's on the airline to hire someone with dual language skills. Not the plane.

WookieMan says

that's on the airline to hire someone with dual language skills.

All control towers all over the world speak in English and English fluency is required for all pilots who fly in controlled airspace. AlI the enroute air traffic controllers or airport control towers I have talked to in Turkey, Greece, Italy, Germany, France, Japan, and Philippines conversed with everyone in English. Now sometimes they would greet or well wish in the local language but all official talk such as clearances, altitudes, or vectors were strictly in English. Ironically, London Center was the hardest to understand due to the accent.

HeadSet says

All control towers all over the world speak in English

I know. I'm talking about the training on the aircraft itself. English as a 2nd language does not mean you're proficient in how to fly the plane or understand all the features. Lost in translation so to speak. Which leads to pilot error.

No one has to agree with me, but when the reports come out I'll be 100% right. It was the exact same thing with MCAS and Ethiopian Air and the other airline that I'm forgetting the name of. Foreign pilots are simply not trained the same. You think someone from Boeing that speaks Ethiopian or whatever language could train them in a 2nd or 3rd language? Or Korean? No chance.

American pilots knew how to override it. Was it a good system, no, but they did know how to take over controls if something was wrong, yes. That's also 100% fact. Why is this all happening in Asia or Africa? There's a common denominator. Pilots with English as a 2nd language.

We have substantially more flights stateside at some difficult airports. Nothing in years. Maybe decades outside of a small commuter jet with low pilot hours and 9/11. There are plane crashes everyday due to pilot error. This one gets attention because of the casualties.

Assuming the gear was 100% f'd up, they still burned up 1/3rd of the runway for an emergency no wheel landing. This kind of seems like the Lionair incident in Europe where the pilot just crashed into a mountain. https://youtu.be/BzmptA6s-1g?si=sURhdjRqIBZFW6RG

Basically if you watch the full thing it's extremely likely pilot error. They could have lowered the landing gear and used brakes. They didn't on the first go around. Flaps working. They weren't properly trained on this plane. Again if a bird strike you put it in the water. No explosion. Some people get whiplash but 90% can walk away. This seemed intentional as mentioned. We'll see what the "black box" has to say about it.

From https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/02/boeing-has-informed-its-employees-that-nasa-may-cancel-sls-contracts/

Boeing has informed its employees that NASA may cancel SLS contracts...

The primary contractor for the Space Launch System rocket, Boeing, is preparing for the possibility
that NASA cancels the long-running program...

Multiple sources said there has been a healthy debate within the White House and senior leadership
at NASA, including acting administrator Janet Petro, about the future of the SLS rocket and the Artemis
Moon program. Some commercial space advocates have been pressing hard to cancel the rocket outright...

Critics of the large and expensive rocket - a single launch costs in excess of $2 billion exclusive of any
payloads or the cost of ground systems - say NASA should cut its losses.

The_Deplorable says

Boeing has informed its employees that NASA may cancel SLS contracts...

Musk gets his pay back.

Not that this isn't a good move in and of itself, anyway. But Congress will fight it, tooth and nail.

The_Deplorable says

WookieMan says

"Gotta see the report. These planes fly themselves. Pilot error is a problem,"

No because Boeing is now building airplanes with parts that do not meet specs. Recall
that they fired the Quality Control Engineers to eliminate delays during assembly. So
now they are using large hammers during assembly to make parts fit. You cannot
blame the pilots for this.

" McNerney (then Boeing CEO) had a cute name for the company’s senior engineers: “phenomenally talented assholes.” He created a program to help his managers force these skilled workers — everyone a Boeing who knew how to build a plane — out of the company. "

https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-05-01-boeing-boeing-mrsa-2d9ba398bd54

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Another Boeing problem
will be Trump pulling out of Europe/NATO. If this happens the F35 pipeline might get mighty short as many European countries have these on order. Specifically:

- United Kingdom: 138 F-35s
- Italy: 75 F-35s
- Netherlands: 46 F-35s
- Norway: 52 F-35s
- Denmark: 27 F-35s
- Belgium: 34 F-35s
- Finland: 64 F-35s
- Germany: 35 F-35s
- Greece: 20 F-35s with an option for 20 more
- Poland: 32 F-35s
- Switzerland: 36 F-35s
- Czech Republic: 24 F-35s

Fuck Europe, eh?

RWSGFY says

Fuck Europe, eh?

Are you seriously thinking they will use the Euro-fighter "???

https://futurism.com/boeing-starliner-disaster-worse-astronauts

Misc says

Are you seriously thinking they will use the Euro-fighter "???

Why use anything? What, you seriously think they are going to finally get serious about defense anyway?

They can't even if they wanted. They are truly fucked.

"Preliminary Report Into Last Month’s Air India Crash Provides New Information... In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots can be heard asking his copilot why he hit the cutoff switch. The copilot responded that he did not do so... https://dailycaller.com/2025/07/12/report-air-india-crash-new-information-engine-cut-off-fuel-survivor/

If this is the case then who turned off the fuel to the engines?
Was it the computer inside the plane or a computer from the outside?

The_Deplorable says

If this is the case then who turned off the fuel to the engines?
Was it the computer inside the plane or a computer from the outside?

I've seen the photos of the wreckage from multiple videos. The engines were in cutoff and not run. You have to pull and push two switches. It has nothing to do with the plane at all. One of the two pilots cut the engines off. Could have been a bad day suicide thing. Pilot error or on purpose. Nothing to do with the plane or computers.

The switches from the wreckage were physically in cutoff and that could only be knowingly done by one of the pilots. Not even an error. Intentional.

I'm not an expert but enough of an aviation junkie. This is all coming from world renowned pilots. They tread lightly as scaring people from flying could cost them their job. The fact is you can't accidentally flip those switches. Would have to be intentional.

WookieMan says

"The switches from the wreckage were physically in cutoff and that could only be knowingly done by one of the pilots."

True. And according to the cockpit voice recorder both pilots deny cutting off the engines.
Therefore, if that is true, who cutoff the fuel to the engines?