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Patrick says

-Putin knows way too much history

He's like Professor Binns in Harry Potter.

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Around 57 minutes, Putin admits going back to 19th century that the citizens of the region of Ukraine wanted independence from Russia. He said that was okay as they still wanted to have relations with Russia as far as free trade.

Putin says he wants to get rid of of the nationalist mentality in Ukraine.

The problem is there is a Ukraine language and culture. Putin seems to not want to recognize that, as well as what drove a lot of Ukrainians to join Germany in World War 2.

Bolsheviks from Moscow were sent to Ukraine prior to World War 2 and that was unsettling but not as much as Stalin's Holodomor.

But with all that aside as well as going back to Catherine the Great as well as NATO in the old Yugoslavia, Putin understandably does not want NATO on its large border with Ukraine, and yes Putin asked Bill Clinton if it is possible for Russia to join NATO.

The Holodomor was what created the resentment and spurred Ukrainian "nationalistic" feelings.

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Putin says only way to get to peace negotiation table is for NATO to not arm Ukraine and the "conflict will be quickly over".

So what does that mean ? It means Russia troops in Kiev and then there are "peace talks" ?

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AD says

Putin says only way to get to peace negotiation table is for NATO to not arm Ukraine and the "conflict will be quickly over".

So what does that mean ? It means Russia troops in Kiev and then there are "peace talks" ?

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Well, there was a peace agreement months ago. Halfway through the signing, Boris Johnson showed up, and it was basically voided.

The US, EU and Ukraine didn’t keep their promise with the Minsk Agreement, which keeps Ukraine a neutral state, NATO stops expanding east, etc… Basically, they pushed Russia into invading Ukraine to protect its own interests. They f’ed up. Now, they need to unwind it. KEEP Ukraine a neutral state. Stop building military bases in Ukraine and pointing at Russia. I’m sure de-nazification would be part of it too as Putin seemed to care quite a bit about this.

I’m not a political person, but this is what I understood from the interview.

Eman says

I’m sure de-nazification would be part of it too as Putin seemed to care quite a bit about this.

Putin made no mention of the Holodomor. He seems to want to not focus on the inconvenient details of history such as that, or about Bolsheviks sent from Russia to terrorize in western Ukraine.

Putin does not want Ukraine to have its own cultural identity, that is why he cares "quite a bit" about that.

This is like New York telling Quebec to become like New York or less like Quebec.

Yeah it goes to Bill Clinton in former Yugoslavia and then Poland joining NATO in 1999.

Plus Putin is right as you have legions of expert$ on Russia employed directly by the US federal government or indirectly such as think tanks, academia, etc. who are essentially dictating policy.

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And I'm not sure how much pro-Russian sentiment is outside Donbas and within Ukraine like Kharkiv, even though they speak Russian.

Putin did say that the Russian troops pulled out of the region west of Kiev in anticipation there was going to be a peace deal.

I wonder what the terms were of that agreement other than Ukraine not join NATO.

Putin did say that when Ukraine was looking to join the EU around 2014 that the Kremlin said they would stop free trade with Ukraine, and that there would be Russian customs inspections. That was very revealing by Putin.

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I have new found respect for Putin after this interview. It seems like Zelenskyy and the EU governments are all puppets. They do what the US tells them to do.

The US makes Russia/Putin a boogeyman while Putin portrayed himself as a man who only wants peace and prosperity for his people.

I would say:

Eastern 1/3 very comfortable with Russian identity

Middle 1/3 Not excited about Russian identity, but lukewarm about Ukrainian Identity. Russian TV, Movies, reads Russian books.

Western 1/3 rabidly opposed to a Russian identity and We Wuz Vi-Kangz! Not Slavs! Ukrainian is the Venusian language! Everything Russian is bullshit!

Crimea: Fuck the Ukrops Oligarchs and Fuck Kiev! Glory to Russia! Also Russian tourists please visit our website where we offer a vacation package...

AD says

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And I'm not sure how much pro-Russian sentiment is outside Donbas and within Ukraine like Kharkiv, even though they speak Russian.

Putin did say that the Russian troops pulled out of the region west of Kiev in anticipation there was going to be a peace deal.

I wonder what the terms were of that agreement other than Ukraine not join NATO.

Putin did say that when Ukraine was looking to join the EU around 2014 that the Kremlin said they would stop free trade with Ukraine, and that there would be Russian customs inspections. That was very revealing by Putin.

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They lied to Putin. He pulled his troop out of Kiev, and they used that opportunity to weaponize. Apparently, Boris Johnson was sent there to sour the peace signing as the US didn’t want it to happen.

AD says

The Holodomor was what created the resentment and spurred Ukrainian "nationalistic" feelings.

Which is stupid, because that killed as many Russians, if not MORE Russians than it killed Ukrainians. It was during a period of collectivization of farmland, and it was disastrous - everybody starved.

Notice they are attempting the same fucking thing here, and in Europe.

Putin just needs to wait to let the West destroy itself.

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=236206

"I was very disappointed in the interview for a variety of reasons. From the start the interview got lost into 2,000 years of Putin explaining who the Russians were, what happened in the past 2 millenniums, and why Ukraine was Russian territory. From that point forward Tucker was not able to get things back on track.
Unfortunately, it went downhill from there. Tucker started acting confrontational as if he was a clone of the main stream media, and was throwing the typical hardball questions that the major media would ask of an enemy of the US.
I was shocked and disappointed with that type of behavior which I found below Tucker’s standards and more inline with the mainstream’s globalist agenda. It was as if Tucker was trying to prove to the west, he was not a turncoat and not under the influence of Russia, and would prove it with hardball, pro-NATO questions.

There were only a very few moments when critical information was revealed from Putin to substantiate Russia’s stand on the issues. To add to the combative mood, Tucker asked nonsensical questions like “why wasn’t Putin talking to Biden or the west about ending the war”. I felt like Tucker just arrived from another planet and had no clue what actually happened in Ukraine and how the war started. I was embarrassed for him.

The Russians, including Putin by the way, sent numerous letters, statements, and phone calls to the west before the war started - that they were being threatened by this assault on the Donbas, and the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO and placing ICBM nuclear missiles on their border. This would give a warning time of hitting Moscow with nukes of 5 minutes.

Biden, the US Congress, the US military, all the European nations and NATO totally ignored the Russians appeal to avoid a confrontation. Before the so-called invasion of the Russians into Ukraine, the illegitimate coup government of Ukraine had already killed 14,000 innocent Russian speaking citizens, including hundreds of children, in the eastern provinces of the Donbas. Ukraine declared war on Russia and said they would attack Crimea, which has been a Russian naval port for over 300 years.
All of these facts were ignored by Tucker.

It begs the question, exactly who was Tucker identifying with? Who was he getting his questions from? The wealthy elite globalists? Or the main stream media that are the puppets of the military industrial complex?

I like Tucker Carlson, over-all he has been a breath of fresh air in the news media, and was even removed from his top position as a journalist because of his populist, pro-American stands. But in this case, the interview got derailed by these ill-advised questions and the style of interviewing which did not promote reality and the spirit of truth on the issues covered.

Perhaps Tucker wanted to make sure he didn’t appear like a Russian supporter and didn’t come across as a sycophant pro-Putin journalist. Whatever he was trying to accomplish, it didn’t work, and made matters worse. It ended up being a very boring 2-hour interview that didn’t include 5 minutes of valuable insight to help wake up the nations to what is truly going on.

To make matters worse, at the end he mentioned a convicted spy in a Russian prison that he almost demanded that Putin release. That action may have exposed the real motive behind Tuckers trip and interview in Moscow - so he could come back triumphantly to America with a released prisoner arm in arm, for a breaking world news photo-op.

By this time, I was groaning in disappointment with Tucker’s interview and felt that the only ones that benefited from this fiasco was the pro-war, pro-globalist propagandists. It did not help to end the war or heal the political gap between the west and the Russians. On the contrary it made things worse.

It was obvious to me that Tucker was trying to placate too many political sides and created an ill-advised set of questions in the interview - that produced a combative, chaotic, confusing and unproductive outcome. This is a sad conclusion I came up with that I didn’t expect or desire at all. In old fashioned cowboy terms, when you ride a horse at a rodeo, “sometimes you ride them out and sometimes you get thrown”. This time Tucker got thrown. But he can brush himself off and try again another day.

Tucker is part of a massive moment in the US to go back to American values and to stand against falsehoods and the globalist’s agendas. He can continue to be instrumental with this nation reimagining itself and to shake off the yoke of the ultra-liberals and the control of the wealthy elite. The next election is critical, if we can even survive until that time." George Eaton

Eman says

I have new found respect for Putin after this interview. It seems like Zelenskyy and the EU governments are all puppets. They do what the US tells them to do.

The US makes Russia/Putin a boogeyman while Putin portrayed himself as a man who only wants peace and prosperity for his people.

You have to be joking, right? You believe a thing that comes out of that guys mouth? Mind you I don't believe a thing that comes out of Biden's mouth if you can understand it, but Putin is a flat out liar and con. Tucker got played. There's a reason Putin hasn't been interviewed by others.

I don't want to be enemies with Russia. I don't see a point in being friends either. This has always been a Europe and China problem. Just let them work it out. No need for us to be involved. Putin is not a good person. He a fucking dictator for christ sake. The average Russian is poor as shit. Lives in 3rd world facilities. This is just fact.

As I said Tucker got played by Putin. I don't need to read or see any of it. You think a former known spy as dictator is going to tell the truth about anything?? lol.

WookieMan says

There's a reason Putin hasn't been interviewed by others.

What are you talking about?

AD says

And I'm not sure how much pro-Russian sentiment is outside Donbas and within Ukraine like Kharkiv, even though they speak Russian.

Take this with a grain of salt. Putin was prepared and polished. But he's ex-KGB and an experienced politician. If you don't think this was a propaganda peice your not paying attention.

This is why I still pay passing attention to the MSM... All of our media has moved to the fringes wether it's CNN or OANN.

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Yep. And here come the memes:

This is one historical fact that serpent head Putin seemed to leave out in his 2 hour history monologue.

" On January 7, 1919 the Bolsheviks invaded Ukraine in full force with an army led by Vladimir Antonov-Ovseyenko, Joseph Stalin, and Volodymyr Zatonsky. "

Why ?

Because Putin seems to not want to face what his ancestors did as far as Bolshevik terrorism and why it created even more resentment in regions that already did not self-identify enthusiastically as "Russian".

And Putin even admitted that Ukraine "nationalism" was even known to be of significance going as far back as the early 19th century.

And then go add in the Holomodor which Putin conveniently did not mention in his 2 hour long history monologue.

This is why there were plenty of Ukraine "Nazis" by the time World War 2 started.

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But I can understand why Putin does not want NATO on its Ukraine border.

I can understand how he subtly said its a "new Russian" since 1991, and how it is open as far as democracy and economy compared to its pre-1991 past.

Putin just does not seem to want to emphasize the "new Russia" as much because it would alienate a lot of his very hard-core and conservative voters.

So he just says "just enough" about it being a "new Russia" to try to support his argument that there is no need for NATO to be in Ukraine, and that Russia invaded Ukraine out of a defensive posture to stop Ukraine's war against Donbas.

One thing Putin agreed is that Ukraine "nationalism" goes back as early as the 19th century.

Putin seems to want to marginalize the Ukraine language and culture as much as Stalin did.

This is like New York wanting to annex (and/or economically / politically control) Quebec and claim Quebec really has a more Brooklyn-culture and vernacular than it does a Quebec (and French) culture.

AD says

The problem is there is a Ukraine language and culture.

This is debatable. Ukrainian is essentially a dialect of Russian, with maybe 50% mutual intelligibility and the same alphabet. I visited Ukraine during my year of studying in Austria, and we were shown some famous art museum. I asked our tour guide why each painting had the same name written twice on the signs next to them. She said one was in Russian and the other in Ukrainian. I said "No, they're identical." She said, "No, look, this letter is different." Hoo boy.

AD says

This is like New York telling Quebec to become like New York or less like Quebec.

I think that overstates the difference by a lot. English and French are not mutually intelligible.

It's more like Germany and Austria, different countries with distinct forms of German, but they can certainly understand each other and have very similar cultures.

AmericanKulak says

Western 1/3 rabidly opposed to a Russian identity and We Wuz Vi-Kangz! Not Slavs! Ukrainian is the Venusian language! Everything Russian is bullshit!

I agree, it's like that.

Ukrainians have an identity problem, being essentially Russian but feeling oppressed by Russia as a provincial place on the edge, and whose upper classes accepted Polish identity for a long time.

AD says

Putin seems to not want to face what his ancestors did as far as Bolshevik terrorism

To be honest, I think the majority of the Bolshevik leadership was Jewish.

https://www.jpost.com/magazine/was-the-russian-revolution-jewish-514323

Ceffer says

But in this case, the interview got derailed by these ill-advised questions and the style of interviewing which did not promote reality and the spirit of truth on the issues covered.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/skepticism-friday-february-9-2024

On the other hand, proving that you can’t please everybody, skeptical conservatives expressed disappointment with the interview, perhaps preferring that Tucker would’ve thrown caution to the wind, opened a ‘Ukraine biolabs’ can of whoop-ass, and broached other salacious subjects. But he didn’t, and Putin was even more restrained than Tucker, tip-toeing around topics that might trigger liberals, such as LGBTQ and trans policy, which Putin is famous for criticizing and usually never misses a chance to get his digs in.

So what was going on? Why all the delicacy?

They were careful because the interview wasn’t aimed at conservatives. Conservatives are already skeptical of the war, and we already disbelieve whatever we’re being told by the Biden Administration. The interview was aimed instead at moderate democrats and independents. Democrat partisans wouldn’t watch it even if Putin had described a secret cure for cancer — although ironically he discussed cancer (denied having it) and joked about a cure.

From Wikipedia: The official language of Ukraine is Ukrainian, a Slavic language, which is spoken regularly by 88% of Ukraine's population at home in their personal life, and as high as 87% at work or study. It is followed by Russian which is spoken by 34% in their personal life.

From UkraineLessons.com: In terms of vocabulary, the Ukrainian language is the closest to Belarusian (16% of difference), and the Russian language to Bulgarian (27% of difference).

Patrick says

To be honest, I think the majority of the Bolshevik leadership was Jewish.

The article explains that many who were in the Revolution, got whacked when Stalin took over and were mostly gone by the 20s, and mostly completely 'liquidated' in the Great Purge.

But, I would be extremely cautious of Jews from the Pale, since I've noticed an awful great many of them are Brooklyn Bolsheviks.

Raskin's dad was a Prog Rat, for one.

It doesn't matter if Putin is 100% right, 50% right or 25% right. He made some good points and reiterated he wants to negotiate, why is nobody inviting him to the table and instead let this stupid war continue? Because bojo the clown said so? Or senile xiden? He was absolutely right about portraying most of modern Europe as vasall states with weak and corrupt govt. Hope Germany will kick the corrupt leftoid govt out next election and start aiming for peace in the Ukraine and solid business relations with Russia again. Nordstream FTW!

mell says

He made some good points and reiterated he wants to negotiate, why is nobody inviting him to the table and instead let this stupid war continue?

He did mention a good point about the "Russian experts" industry within the USA ranging from federal civil servants at CIA and State Department to academia and think tanks. It seems these "experts" are dictating the USA policy.

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Patrick says

She said one was in Russian and the other in Ukrainian. I said "No, they're identical." She said, "No, look, this letter is different." Hoo boy.

Yep, it's like "Kyiv" vs. "Kiev"

It's a bit of color vs. colour, plus some "offen" vs. "of-Ten" or "Al U Min eeee Um" vs. "Alu-min-um".

Maybe like Neopolitan Italian vs. Roman Italian, or a Scots Brogue vs. Received English Pronounciation. But it's deliberately spelled different.

I heard somewhere that written Ukranian was formalized only in the 19th, ironically by Pan-Slavs from Lvov!

AD says

" On January 7, 1919 the Bolsheviks invaded Ukraine in full force with an army led by Vladimir Antonov-Ovseyenko, Joseph Stalin, and Volodymyr Zatonsky. "

Much of Ukraine was part of Imperial Russia long before 1919 and Stalin.



Russia was actually born in Konugard/Kiev, but the culture and center of Russian civ moved further North into the Forests with the coming of the Horde.

AmericanKulak says

Much of Ukraine was part of Imperial Russia long before 1919 and Stalin.

Much of Ukraine was also part of Poland, as late as 1945.

HeadSet says

Much of Ukraine was also part of Poland, as late as 1945.

Or Austria.

The Donbas area in dispute has been Russian for centuries. Crimea also.

Ceffer says

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Fight to liberate Donbas
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Classic US Army Recruitment Jingle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms9pxvEbILs



https://www.rebelnews.com/u_s_army_investigates_military_officers_who_posed_in_bdsm_fetish_gear

Be all that you be!
Transwomen Officers give birth!
Disobey Lt. Xir? Then Leavenworth!
Get an edge on life, in the Army!

Be all that you can be!
Forced to take an experimental jab,
Discharged so VA won't pay that tab,
Stringy blood clots, from the Army!

Ukrainian is hillbilly Russian. Everybody knows that.

AmericanKulak says

Much of Ukraine was part of Imperial Russia long before 1919 and Stalin.

Much of the US Southwest was also part of Mexico not that long ago too.

Where do these arguments end?

Ceffer says

Ukrainian is hillbilly Russian. Everybody knows that.

Ukraine culture is as much different to Russia as is rednecks of Alabama are from Democrats in the white liberal enclaves on New England.

That is what Putin is trying to marginalize as far as his narrative of Ukraine essentially being the same as Russia.

And again, Ukraine language is about 30% different than the Russian language.

What is interesting is that the old Soviet Union use to emphasize the different cultures during its Victory Day parades. You'd have parade participants who would dress in their local culture clothing and display their cultural symbols in that parade.
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WookieMan says

There's a reason Putin hasn't been interviewed by others.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6840134/

GreaterNYCDude says

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Not it isn't. Our media is complete propaganda, from either the left or the right. There's no truth in Western media at all. If you want actual information, you have to go to sources that source original information. Who in our media will point out that Ukraine was overthrown in 2014, explain that it was without doubt overthrown? Nobody will. Putin mentioned it in the interview with Carlson, but Carlson didn't press on it.