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Misc says

There is a name for the psychological disorder you have described.

Look, if you're going to talk to me, be an adult.

I'm a sane person living in a sick society among a bunch of cattle that lap up bullshit and think it's information. Your type is everywhere.

I have listed how consistently the government and it's propaganda arms lie, you didn't have any come back from that. You are a subhuman to me at this point if you continue to listen to them as if they are credible. You can't learn. Even animals can learn, you're an NPC, and I don't want to bother with you if I'm talking to a machine that can't think. I'm surrounded by them, and I'm fed up with them.

Take your boosters if you like, whatever. I don't care anymore. You people are too stupid to live.

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Misc says

I believe that the Deep State is airdropping supplies to those in need in Gaza. To be followed up with relief shipments made by sea.

Why are not the Red Crescent (Arab Red Cross) and the UN doing this ?

Why does the "Deep State" need to do this ?

I would not want a United States flagged vessel and/or United States citizens (either armed forces, civil servants from USAID, or non profits) being on those ships docked in Gaza.

That is just too inviting for a false flag op, or even for Iran-backed militants with organizing stooge-suicide bomber attacks.

Get Egyptian humanitarian workers to offload and deliver the aid.

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The Sino-Iranian operation in the Red Sea with the Houthi proxies has eaten up most of the USN's operations budget this year.

We know Israel and Fannonite-Wokies/Arabs is a major fault line for Democrats, and they're already down millions of votes in order they'll need to plausible fraud themselves to win this year.

Did Biden's handlers just propose something they know might never be funded? Let's see.

Misc says

I believe that the Deep State is airdropping supplies to those in need in Gaza.

I believe they are making a show about helping but not helping.

And why are you calling it the "Deep State"? I'm saying the assholes that run this nation, and those are Neocons, and they are bloodsoaked, bloodthirsty, warmongers. They never help.

The US went to war to "free the Iraqi people", they went to war in Libya to "prevent a humanitarian crisis", they went to war in Syria to "end the civil war", and into Afghanistan for "humanitarian rights". They are "assisting" Ukraine for "democracy" right now. NONE of this shit is true. They did none of it. This is more PR bullshit and I can scarcely believe you are so naive as to fall for it AGAIN.

The same scum that has been creating all these stupid fucking wars are still running the country now. They are total straight up psychopaths. People's inability to recognize the OBVIOUS is why these straight up psychopaths haven't been strung up years ago.

Misc says

I have heard that if someone with your belief structure is challenged with factual evidence that contradicts that belief structure, they pull further into their element of denial of reality.

Dude. You have NEVER in your lifetime seen the US act to improve a nation or to help a nation and you think "duh, this time it will be different" or you just haven't paid any attention over your entire lifetime.

How is East Palestine Ohio doing? $700 per family to Maui. Flint Michigan still cant drink their water.

Yeah, it's me that's brainwashed. I must have a mental condition not to recognize a 100% pattern.

Stop talking to me. I've said, there are people I just can't view as fully human anymore. You are one of them.

Seriously, either I think you are simply trolling me, which is wasting my time, or you legitimately can't think. Either way, there's no purpose in talking with you further. It's literally impossible to tell when people are being sarcastic today because there are people who will, entirely seriously, claim a man is a woman just because he identifies that way. You're no different to me than they are.

AD says

Why are not the Red Crescent (Arab Red Cross) and the UN doing this ?

As far as I'm aware the Red Cresent and UNRWA is involved. Have you heard the contrary? From where? Red Cross is there as well.

https://www.voanews.com/a/red-cross-convoy-hit-by-fire-in-gaza/7345713.html

Doesn't matter. If you can't see what Israel is doing, and has already done by now, you're retarded. No fixing that.

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Misc says

However, the facts remain that the US government is airdropping supplies into Gaza.

Yes, for PR purposes only. It would be tantamount to delivering a pizza for an entire city under seize. This is purely for optics. You'll see. We're going to see mass starvation. It's been over 75 years, this has always been the plan, to remove the Palestinians entirely from the area. They keep the Arab Israelis as tokens, once the West Bank is gone and Gaza is gone, they'll start pressuring them to leave, and slowly turn up the heat. Already they are second class citizens.

Misc says

You may think it is not helping, but the people getting the supplies are quite happy for the aid.

I'm sure that 0.1% that get it, are.

Misc says

Why are you criticizing humanitarian aid????

You are making a presumption with that question. Am I criticizing Biden for giving money to the survivors of the Maui disaster? It was $700, a one time payment.

Misc says

I simply expect another rant. You seem unable to acknowledge that the government is doing good.

They aren't. As I already pointed out, this could be ended tomorrow if the US government simply cut off all aid, military and financial to Israel. Instead the US government has increased funding to Israel to carry out this mass murder.

If the government helping, or just pretending to help?

You are incapable of not seeing through public relations. I'm incapable of NOT seeing through it at this point. You're just naive. The US government never helps, and I know that Neocons run our foreign policy. They delight in death.

There are two sides to the conflict.

You think that by cutting off Israel it would stop the conflict. You should also have the belief then that if Gaza was cut off it would stop the conflict.

You can see now how absurd that thinking is.

Have you given any thought whatsoever as to how many people it takes to have this aid airdropped in??? What about the real dangers they face in delivering this aid???

Of course, they are helping. You are simply unable to acknowledge that.

It is clear that aid is being delivered and that the government is helping the Palestinians. Your rants do not change that fact.

You call it mass murder, The Israeli's have no intent to kill civilians. Hence, no murder.. By Hamas's count about 30000 Palestinians have been killed. Israel ballparks the number of terrorists killed at about 10000.

Misc says

You think that by cutting off Israel it would stop the conflict. You should also have the belief then that if Gaza was cut off it would stop the conflict.

Gaza IS cut off.

Misc says

Have you given any thought whatsoever as to how many people it takes to have this aid airdropped in???

A handful. Probably more than 2 and less than 100.

Misc says

What about the real dangers they face in delivering this aid???

No danger. What danger do you think they face?

Misc says

It is clear that aid is being delivered and that the government is helping the Palestinians.

How is this "clear"? What's been delivered? How much has been delivered?

Misc says

You call it mass murder, The Israeli's have no intent to kill civilians. Hence, no murder..

They absolutely do intend to murder civilians.

Misc says

By Hamas's count about 30000 Palestinians have been killed. Israel ballparks the number of terrorists killed at about 10000.

Hamas has been accurate in the past, but that doesn't matter. Israel lies constantly, but that doesn't matter.

We'll see at the end of it.

I know the US won't help, will aid Israel in this, and I know Israel's intention is to displace the Palestinians and failing that, killing them. Israel is only 10 million people and they have complete control of US foreign policy to protect them.


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Israel is already making plans to place settlements in Gaza. This has been going on for 75 years, and it won't stop until there's a war that settles it. You are incapable of realizing that Israel screams that they are the victim when they are the victimizer. It's like the FIB claiming that "white nationalists are the biggest threat to the United States today". They demonize the people they want to attack before they attack them.

Another huge rant deflecting that the US government is sending aid to Gaza.

Akso, because airdrops aren't the best way to deliver aid. The US government will be building a dock that will facilitate resupply from the sea.

Yes, the people carrying out these missions are putting themselves into a dangerous position.

So this entire thread is a giant load of propaganda horse shit sourced entirely from mainstream media we know to be giant liars. I have linked to an independent source in my thread, but of course Misc hasn't read a single link in that podcast, let alone watched one minute of it.

This kind of disassociation(railing at a source for being liars one day, completely accepting everything they say with ZERO research the next) is called the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect. People who fall for false dichotomies are most prone to experiencing it.

But you will find some excuse to trash my independent media source, without seeing how many, many times they've reported on things you 100% agree with and support, so I doubt this will help(2nd independent source saying this thread is bullshit):
https://corbettreport.com/nwnw547/

Your news source has nothing on the supplies the US government is airdropping into Gaza. -- That is what this thread is about.

Also, since the beginning of this thread the US government has declared that it is going to set up a dock in Gaza so that supplies can be delivered by sea. Since think this is for the good of Gaza civilians and has been decided by the Deep State I included that into this thread as well.

Misc says

Also, because airdrops aren't the best way to deliver aid. The US government will be building a dock that will facilitate resupply from the sea.

WHAT has been dropped, how much?

I'm going to assume you can think, so you're going to do what I've done multiple times. You're going to research. Tell me, what has the US shipped in and what quantity?

You might try reading the link.

Misc says

You might try reading the link.

What has been dropped in what quantity? Let's see if you know, and then you can link to the source to claim where you found it.

What has the US delivered to Gaza and in what quantity?

The link was in the OP. I am sure other deliveries have been made since then.

richwicks says

Doesn't matter. If you can't see what Israel is doing, and has already done by now, you're retarded. No fixing that.

One thing is Israel is bringing chaos for a long enough period to slow down the birth rate in Gaza. I wonder how much is that one of their objectives.

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Misc says

The link was in the OP. I am sure other deliveries have been made since then.

Don't care. What has the United States delivered to Gaza through airdrops for 2 million people and what quantity?

If you are not going to read the link don't ask for it. Here's one from a few days ago. I am sure more shipments have been dropped.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/air-supplies-gaza-commendable-political-theater-no-long-term-solution

Misc says

Your news source has nothing on the supplies the US government is airdropping into Gaza. -- That is what this thread is about.

By all your personal attacks, I'd would have thought it's about you creating a thread to insult people who disagree with you.

There are Middle Eastern countries who literally border the crises attempting to send in food, why would you focus on a country who is directly financing Israel's genocide in Palestine as the only legitimate topic when discussing aid to starving people? If you looked at any of the sources(probably didn't even open the link), you'd see it very much applies to the topic of aid and starvation. You really only want to discuss the smoke, and not the fire?

Are you so insecure about your facts that you refuse to even acknowledge the obvious issue here, why is Israel blocking food to starving people? Or did you find a job with the CIA propaganda division to put out such obvious tripe on patnet? Someone should tell them this site is mostly populated by retards, and there aren't many of us, waste of their money.

Misc says

If you are not going to read the link don't ask for it

I'm asking if YOU know.

What was dropped and in what quantity?

There are about 2,350,000 people of Gaza. It's estimated that between 20 and 30 thousand have been killed. There is 141 square miles of land in Gaza, that is 141 x 5280 x 5280 = 3,930,854,400 square feet total. Divide that by the population and you get 1,672 feet per person.

Grade school math.

I want you to demonstrate you've put in a tiny bit of thought into this, not that you just read some horseshit that said "aid was being airdropped in". What, a stick of bubble gum?

My contention from the start is that any aid dropped in was done purely for PR purposes.

Remember the panic over "300,000 Americans have died of the coof!!!!", well so what? There's 330,000,000 Americans. I couldn't get ENGINEERS to think about this, and I'm fucking tired of talking to people who refuse to think. I'm fucking tired of it.

Can you think? Demonstrate it. If you can't do this, shut up. I'm sick of people screaming at about PR bullshit. I'm tired of it.

Misc says

If you are not going to read the link don't ask for it. Here's one from a few days ago. I am sure more shipments have been dropped.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/air-supplies-gaza-commendable-political-theater-no-long-term-solution

CSIS is a "national security" think tank in DC. As far as bias, you've done poorly. But I will say the article is largely accurate, although it skips over the obvious war crimes, understandable given the source. It's a fluff piece, hints at the real problem, but not willing to point fingers. Lack of accountability leads to lack of action.

If you are incapable of reading a link. Do not ask for it.

It is clearly in the link that airdrops are not the best method of distributing aid. Best guess about 110k food packages were airdropped. Into what area of Gaza, that was not told.

That is why they are going to be building the dock.

You are plainly trying to steer the conversation away from your denial that aid is being provided.

Misc says

If you are incapable of reading a link. Do not ask for it.

You haven't read it. You read the headline and that's it. You have no idea what was delivered or in what quantity.

I'm not kidding when I say I don't think of most people as human anymore. You argue, you don't think.

You obviously did not read comment #34.

Your hypocrisy is huge.

Misc says

You obviously did not read comment #34.

There are no quantities nor items listed.

Again, I'm saying YOU don't know. Your pointing to a haystack and incensed I don't believe you when I refuse to search for the needle you say is there.

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What happened to those ships we had with bows that open up and a ramp drops on the beach? Meh, I guess we would risk both the Ship and Sailors to idiot Hamas terrorists trying to make a stupid point. Terrorism >> Humanitarian aid, rite?

Air drops have less risk, I guess.

Misc says

I didn;t know you were blind.

Look. I am tired of talking to people who won't think and are either stupid or dishonest.

All you need to do is find out what is being delivered by airdrop and divide by 2 million to see this is just a PR move. You won't do it. You'd rather argue than think.

I'm tired of brainwashed idiots, suckups to power, propagandists, and gas lighters. You know your're full of shit, and you'll continue to be full of shit.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

They gonna lace the blankets with smallpox spores?

I have to point out that the "smallbox blankets" hoax was created by a professor at U. Michigan, which is, sadly, my own alma mater:

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/p/plag/5240451.0001.009/--did-the-us-army-distribute-smallpox-blankets-to-indians?rgn=main%3Bview%3Dfulltext&lang=en

In this analysis of the genocide rhetoric employed over the years by Ward Churchill, an ethnic studies professor at the University of Colorado, a "distressing" conclusion is reached: Churchill has habitually committed multiple counts of research misconduct—specifically, fabrication and falsification. While acknowledging the "politicization" of the topic and evidence of other outrages committed against Native American tribes in times past, this study examines the different versions of the "smallpox blankets" episode published by Churchill between 1994 and 2003. The "preponderance of evidence" standard of proof strongly indicates that Churchill fabricated events that never occurred—namely the U.S. Army's alleged distribution of smallpox infested blankets to the Mandan Indians in 1837. The analysis additionally reveals that Churchill falsified sources to support his fabricated version of events, and also concealed evidence in his cited sources that actually disconfirms, rather than substantiates, his allegations of genocide.

Patrick says

an ethnic studies professor

This is why this belongs under the rubric of 'invented history' and 'creative writing'. Guess since so much of the rest of standardized history is fake, too, they might as well make it all up as they go along.

Statistics analysis of Hamas claims at odds with all other conflicts, both in numbers and by breakdown via sex/age.

Hamas is basically picking numbers within 10-15% of 270 deaths per day. This is not seen in conflicts, as death tolls vary greatly on a day to day basis depending on the types and tempo of operations underway. Hamas numbers revolve around a baseline like life insurance mortality rates. The sex/age bias of 80/20 Female/Male is also pure nonsense when ANY conflict is looked at.

For the first few weeks, Hamas (aka "Gaza Health Ministry" which is 100% controlled by Hamas) actually published numbers of 'dead martyrs' (militia/terrorists) that is well above the 20% male rates they are now given.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers

TL;DR: Hamas is asspulling numbers.

rocketjoe79 says

What happened to those ships we had with bows that open up and a ramp drops on the beach? Meh, I guess we would risk both the Ship and Sailors to idiot Hamas terrorists trying to make a stupid point. Terrorism >> Humanitarian aid, rite?

Air drops have less risk, I guess.

We used to have a lot more RO/ROs, but the handful we do have from the Obamafied military are so important they would never be used for this.

Reminder: Gaza has a land border with Egypt. The Egyptians don't want Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad infiltrators blowing up resorts or Pyramid Tourists or attacking Copts and so are thus greatly restricting aid they're willing to send that way.

Note there is no international screaming 24-7 for Egypt to open it's border and allow aid.

Taken together, what does this all imply? While the evidence is not dispositive, it is highly suggestive that a process unconnected or loosely connected to reality was used to report the numbers. Most likely, the Hamas ministry settled on a daily total arbitrarily. We know this because the daily totals increase too consistently to be real. Then they assigned about 70% of the total to be women and children, splitting that amount randomly from day to day. Then they in-filled the number of men as set by the predetermined total. This explains all the data observed.

There are other obvious red flags. The Gaza Health Ministry has consistently claimed that about 70% of the casualties are women or children. This total is far higher than the numbers reported in earlier conflicts with Israel. Another red flag, raised by Salo Aizenberg and written about extensively, is that if 70% of the casualties are women and children and 25% of the population is adult male, then either Israel is not successfully eliminating Hamas fighters or adult male casualty counts are extremely low. This by itself strongly suggests that the numbers are at a minimum grossly inaccurate and quite probably outright faked. Finally, on Feb. 15, Hamas admitted to losing 6,000 of its fighters, which represents more than 20% of the total number of casualties reported.

Taken together, Hamas is reporting not only that 70% of casualties are women and children but also that 20% are fighters. This is not possible unless Israel is somehow not killing noncombatant men, or else Hamas is claiming that almost all the men in Gaza are Hamas fighters.

Are there better numbers? Some objective commentators have acknowledged Hamas’ numbers in previous battles with Israel to be roughly accurate. Nevertheless, this war is wholly unlike its predecessors in scale or scope; international observers who were able to monitor previous wars are now completely absent, so the past can’t be assumed to be a reliable guide. The fog of war is especially thick in Gaza, making it impossible to quickly determine civilian death totals with any accuracy. Not only do official Palestinian death counts fail to differentiate soldiers from children, but Hamas also blames all deaths on Israel even if caused by Hamas’ own misfired rockets, accidental explosions, deliberate killings, or internal battles. One group of researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health compared Hamas reports to data on UNRWA workers. They argued that because the death rates were approximately similar, Hamas’ numbers must not be inflated. But their argument relied on a crucial and unverified assumption: that UNRWA workers are not disproportionately more likely to be killed than the general population. That premise exploded when it was uncovered that a sizable fraction of UNRWA workers are affiliated with Hamas. Some were even exposed as having participated in the Oct. 7 massacre itself.

The truth can’t yet be known and probably never will be. The total civilian casualty count is likely to be extremely overstated. Israel estimates that at least 12,000 fighters have been killed. If that number proves to be even reasonably accurate, then the ratio of noncombatant casualties to combatants is remarkably low: at most 1.4 to 1 and perhaps as low as 1 to 1. By historical standards of urban warfare, where combatants are embedded above and below into civilian population centers, this is a remarkable and successful effort to prevent unnecessary loss of life while fighting an implacable enemy that protects itself with civilians.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers

Here's more info on the airdrops and the building of the dock.

Looks like the US has airdropped in 124k food packets as of Friday. Also, the US is not the only country airdropping in supplies. Looks like the airdrops are mostly in Northern Gaza (the area that needs the food the most).

About 1000 US military personnel are going to be constructing the dock. The first ship carrying aid is expected to arrive in Gaza in about 2-3 days.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/israel-hamas/2024/03/09/israel-hamas-war-live-news-updates/72909715007/

AmericanKulak says

Note there is no international screaming 24-7 for Egypt to open it's border and allow aid.

Probably because Israel has bombed the Rafah crossing MULTIPLE times, including during the Super Bowl(can anyone say distraction?).

Palestine has an Arabian population, surrounded by Arab countries who have been trying to send aid since the beginning. I believe Gaza has significant oil or gas reserves, so US boots on the ground for the excuse of "sending aid", makes perfect sense.