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2024 Jul 6, 4:05pm   27,336 views  396 comments

by Al_Sharpton_for_President   follow (6)  

Vanguard 500 Index Fund (VFINX)

One year return = 24.38%

If you invested $1 million in the average S&P 500 stock index fund, you'd be smoking fat cigars and doing $243,800 worth of hookers and coke.


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1   Ceffer   @   2024 Jul 6, 4:47pm  

My humble 'do not touch or turnover' pile (with some Vanguard indexes) has achieved it's highest nominal point ever. Being closer to the Emperor Node is nice, but I still don't think with the previous 'losses' it makes up for inflation.
2   beershrine   @   2024 Jul 6, 5:02pm  

You should have told us last June 2023 dummy.
3   clambo   @   2024 Jul 6, 5:57pm  

The 5 year return of the S&P500 index is 86%.
Apple shares are up 343% in 5 years.
It's sometimes exciting; my friend said "stocks up, cocks up."
I told him he should sell t-shirts with the phrase.
4   Ceffer   @   2024 Jul 6, 6:17pm  

Well, I just sold a position from two years ago for 1000 percent profit.

Not really, I just wanted to make you all feel really bad.
5   clambo   @   2024 Jul 6, 6:48pm  

I never sell things but eventually I will have to sell something.
6   HeadSet   @   2024 Jul 6, 7:38pm  

Ceffer says

Well, I just sold a position from two years ago for 1000 percent profit.

What "position" did you assume that gave such a payday?
7   clambo   @   2024 Jul 6, 7:56pm  

Apple shares have a 923% return over 10 years.
8   HeadSet   @   2024 Jul 6, 8:35pm  

clambo says

Apple shares have a 923% return over 10 years.

The Micron (MU) shares I bought for $10 in 2016 are now over $130. That is over 1300% return in 8 years plus dividends. Makes up for my losses in SunEdison and JCPenney.
9   AD   @   2024 Jul 7, 12:25am  

There was a long term or secular bear market from January 2000 to July 2014. The real (or inflation adjusted) gain was 0% during that period.

https://www.multpl.com/inflation-adjusted-s-p-500

I wonder if October 2021 is the start of another secular bear market.

I remember listening to Bob Brinker's radio show on Saturday afternoons and learning about secular bear and bull markets, as well as the concept of reaching critical mass for investing.

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10   AD   @   2024 Jul 7, 1:04am  

Median new US home price in bitcoin (BTC)

It takes about 8 BTC to buy one house today.

2012 - 50,616 $BTC
2013 - 19,127 $BTC
2014 - 351 $BTC
2015 - 901 $BTC
2016 - 697 $BTC
2017 - 323 $BTC
2018 - 24 $BTC
2019 - 84 $BTC
2020 - 46 $BTC
2021 - 10 $BTC
2022 - 20 $BTC
2023 - 14 $BTC
2024 - 8 $BTC
11   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   @   2024 Jul 7, 10:59am  

AD says

It takes about 8 BTC to buy one house today.


Exactly as god and the founding fathers intended!
12   AD   @   2024 Jul 10, 1:28am  

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Look at Spdr S&P 500 Value (Walmart, Chevron, Johnson and Johnson, etc.) versus Spdr S&P 500 Growth (Amazon, Microsoft, Netflix, etc)

The chart starts in October 2000. Around April 2020 is when the total return from October 2020 for both funds is equal.

Look at how the Growth fund has taken off since April 2020.

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13   AD   @   2024 Jul 10, 1:37am  



14   AD   @   2024 Jul 11, 1:21am  

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The top 10% of stocks represent 75% of the market capitalization of the stock market. It was the same back in early 2000.

Look at the top 10% such as the Magnificent 7 like Google, Amazon, Microsoft and Nvida. All tech companies and at least profitable and offering stellar services/goods compared to the dot-com-bust of 2000.

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15   Al_Sharpton_for_President   @   2024 Jul 11, 4:12am  

Yeah, the Russell 2000 is not doing as well. Or compare FXAIX to FBGRX.
16   AD   @   2024 Jul 11, 10:13am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says


Yeah, the Russell 2000 is not doing as well. Or compare FXAIX to FBGRX.


Yep, Russell 2000 down about 14% from Nov 2021 all time high. S&P 500 Growth stocks are crowding out Russell 2000

The PE ratio for iShares Russell 2000 ETF is around 14, compared to the S&P 500 PE is around 29.

Maybe investors will soon rotate their gains from S&P 500 growth stocks to the Russell 2000

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17   RWSGFY   @   2024 Jul 15, 9:17am  



18   Ceffer   @   2024 Jul 15, 10:31am  

The world needs more lemming retrospective genius investment gurus. Everybody is a genius on what has already happened, unless you are a Jesuit and bury it and replace it with fake history.

"The past is something that needs to be buried and replaced with our fairy tales. The illiterate, ragged, superstitious public don't need to know that shit."
19   AD   @   2024 Jul 23, 12:25am  

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Google forecast

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20   AD   @   2024 Jul 24, 10:08am  

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S&P 500 up only about 3.5% over last 2.5 years (after accounting for inflation). It drops a little more and the real return for the S&P 500 since Biden was sworn in will essentially be 0% .

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21   clambo   @   2024 Jul 24, 11:10am  

Accounting for inflation ruins the mood.
Another way of looking at it is stocks are the only way to keep up with inflation.
22   Al_Sharpton_for_President   @   2024 Jul 24, 11:24am  

Yes, it really comes down to where you can keep your money so it doesn’t lose value. Beating inflation is OK. Of course far exceeding it is better.

So stonks, bonds, RE, precious metals, bitcoin (I guess), building a business, etc.

If you already have a nest egg, it can be a different game than the person who is trying to build one.
23   Eric_Holder   @   2024 Jul 24, 12:59pm  

clambo says

stocks are the only way to keep up with inflation.


That's how I look at it.

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