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DOGEWontAmountToShit says

What does Europe produce for you? (not you specifically DOGE) It's literally cars and maybe some fancy chocolate. That chart is good, but really think about what has Europe done since WWII? It's a dead region that thinks it's still upscale. I'd rather be in Southeast Asia. Japan, if they take you.

I think a lot of Americans have a twisted version of what Europe is. Like it's some powerhouse. US has a ton of debt, but the EU per capita has as much and has more obligations for older people (per capita) than the US. Fewer young people. Their solution, war. 10-20 years there will be another European war.

We're technically in WWIII at this point anyway. I'm thinking WWIIII by 2040 in Europe. Long term prediction but I think the EU is toast and it will be a slow crash. Look at history, these things work in cycles.

WookieMan says

10-20 years there will be another European war.

Demographically dying countries can't engage in wars, as a rule. They can't spare the young ppl to fight them.

La Channel Francaise?

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

WookieMan says

10-20 years there will be another European war.

Demographically dying countries can't engage in wars, as a rule. They can't spare the young ppl to fight them.

Pukin didn't get the memo, apparently.

They can still go to war in the face of declining populations, and end up like the Sassanid and Byzantine empires - exhausted and bankrupt, and ripe for conquest.

The only "achievement" of Europeans in recent decades is plastic bottle tops which stay attached to the bottle.

The Europeans came up with Ozempic and Wegovy.

I will credit them for trying to make people look better.

Vance calls out the Europeans for canceling elections they don't like.

In response, idiot Kraut Defense Minister shoots himself in his Nazi foot:

"If American democracy can survive 10 years of Greta Thunberg's scolding, you guys can survive a few months of Elon Musk." - JD Vance

I don't really get all these gleeful proclamations about Europe being on their own from now on while we supposedly "pivot to Asia"* to concentrate on China. Let's do a thought experiment, shall we? Supposedly we withdraw our troops from Europe and even get out of NATO alltogether. Who says that left to fend for herself Europe won't align with Chyna to fill the security vacuum? They might not have the great technological achievements like Twatter of Fuckbook, but their engineering and manufacturing of such "useless" and "backwards" stuff as aircraft, missiles, artillery, semiconductor production equipment, engines of all kinds, small arms, etc. are still superb and on par or sometimes even better than ours. Do you think that China's access to all of that will make our life in Asia, where we just wisely "pivoted" easier?

What did you say? They won't do it because of "values"? C'mon, man: values are so passé. The realpolitik is in vogue now.

I think this shit needs to be toned down before it's too late.

*) I'm old enough to remember who came up with that slogan - Obama.

The Europeans aren't concerned about Russia. Germany spends less on defense than it did in 2022. France and Italy spend a paltry amount. The Eastern European states aren't pressuring the major European countries to increase defense spending. No, they want America to foot the bill.

The European leaders slipped off the rails onto the Woke/Globalist/Green agenda and instead of pulling back they are doubling down on that nonsense.

We're not "pivoting". The European leaders simply want totalitarian control with no dissention. We don't want to be a part of that.

No, Americans don't want to see our tax dollars going towards re-building Ukraine once the war is over. Biden moved our Federal deficit from 3% of GDP to 6% of GDP. We need to reduce our deficit not add an extra expense. So, if Europe doesn't want a festering 3rd world country sharing its borders. It needs to pony up for that. The European governments ain't got any kind of coin to be doing jack shit to materially help the Ukraine. The kindest solution would be to break the Ukraine up, with its neighbors getting parcels.

No matter what, without American leadership, the Europeans will be back to having major wars between themselves, and then the question becomes which faction do we back...if any.

RWSGFY says

I don't really get all these gleeful proclamations about Europe being on their own from now on while we supposedly "pivot to Asia"* to concentrate on China. Let's do a thought experiment, shall we? Supposedly we withdraw our troops from Europe and even get out of NATO alltogether. Who says that left to fend for herself Europe won't align with Chyna to fill the security vacuum?

China can't do shit with Europe nor will want to.

This is why Macron is panicking:

Green madness takes over the UK.

UK courts have ruled that there is no new drilling in the North Sea because...welll...climate change. It doesn't matter that the UK will simply import the oil instead of getting it itself. This will make the UK completely dependent on foreign oil.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/court-overturns-controversial-approval-of-energy-project-long-term-justification-has-dwindled-away/ar-AA1z8ft9

“ Who says that left to fend for herself Europe won't align with Chyna to fill the security vacuum? They might not have the great technological achievements like Twatter of Fuckbook, but their engineering and manufacturing of such "useless" and "backwards" stuff as aircraft, missiles, artillery, semiconductor production equipment, engines of all kinds, small arms, etc. are still superb and on par or sometimes even better than ours. Do you think that China's access to all of that will make our life in Asia, where we just wisely "pivoted" easier?”

Europe under globalist bureaucrats would try to do any and all of the above. But recall that Xi and Putin allied over near-assassinations, and that China, while cagey, has no interest in arming globalists.

China may well use this opportunity to economically indenture Europe, though (and euro leadership is foolish/peevish enough to do it).

Some think Trump is going to make Memes obsolete, when he's done saving the US. There will always be Europe.
But I say who in the fuck cares about Europe?

Tenpoundbass says

Some think Trump is going to make Memes obsolete, when he's done saving the US. There will always be Europe.
But I say who in the fuck cares about Europe?

I do, but JFC the people are less aware of their media’s propaganda than our Democrats. They’ve grown decadent and self-fellating over the “humanitarian superpower” delusion, while allowing wartime levels of rape against European girls. It’s sick.

Misc says

The Europeans came up with Ozempic and Wegovy.

I will credit them for trying to make people look better.

Ozempic is not healthy and not sustainable in the long run. I don't know about the other one. So yeah, fuck Europe as usual. People can just adult and not be fat. It's pretty easy. They'll just get fat again once they can't afford it anymore. Likely heavy liver damage as well.

EU can't even do it's most basic job: Create and enforce a common European free trade zone.

So if the Europeans are now saying they can create an Army of Europe and don't need NATO, then they can't be upset if Trump cuts all funding to NATO.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

So if the Europeans are now saying they can create an Army of Europe and don't need NATO, then they can't be upset if Trump cuts all funding to NATO.

Cut it. All the major wars have start there since our civil war. I have a 14 year old that I have no interest in him fighting over European and Asian problems in the coming years.

We can still be allies with Europeans, but if they get in a fight, we shouldn't be on the hook to protect them. This isn't the 1800's anymore where we needed some help during wars. If you need help, pay us. A lot.

If the US finally stays out of Ukraine and other shit that's none of their business and European citizens continue firing their US vasall lackeys at the helm then Europe won't need to invest in warfare and can resume peaceful business relations with Russia.

"We cannot be a modern Rome guarding the far frontiers with our legions if for no other reason than that these are not, politically, our frontiers. What we must do is to assist these people [to] regain their confidence and get on their own military feet" - Eisenhower

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

"We cannot be a modern Rome guarding the far frontiers with our legions if for no other reason than that these are not, politically, our frontiers. What we must do is to assist these people [to] regain their confidence and get on their own military feet" - Eisenhower

There were also people who tried to find a ray of light in the darkness. “So far, the US has not questioned the most important core of the [NATO] alliance – the nuclear shield over Europe,” a senior NATO official in Munich said. “As long as that remains the case, we can cope with what is happening in Washington.” An EU colleague added: “I’d rather have Vance talking about this culture-war censorship stuff than about the withdrawal of US troops from Europe.”

Vance linked transatlantic security to the right-wing populist values of the new US administration. According to the Vice President, the suppression of freedom of expression, disguised as the fight against disinformation, is more dangerous than the threats posed by Russia and China. Then he continued. “What is the positive vision that animates this shared security compact that we all believe is so important? I believe deeply that there is no security if you are afraid of the voices, the opinions and the conscience that guide your very own people.” This was new. If America were to tie future transatlantic security cooperation to Europe’s right-wing populists and extremists, to lies and agitation being given free rein, it would have dramatic consequences for the allies on this side of the Atlantic.

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/there-is-no-room-for-firewalls-us