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2024 Dec 30, 7:29pm   21,535 views  628 comments

by Patrick   follow (60)  

https://www.amren.com/features/2024/12/india-its-worse-than-you-think/


India: It’s Worse Than You Think

Most Westerners know nothing about India beyond vague ideas about Hinduism, yoga, gurus, and maybe a dash of Bollywood. To such people, this article will be a rude awakening. ...

I had first returned to India with the idea of improving it, but after 11 years, I realized that India was a sinking ship, with worsening and increasingly shameless corruption, degraded people, and a society that was falling apart. I had never met an honest bureaucrat or politician. I applied to emigrate to Canada and my application was approved in a record three weeks.

I now advise East Asian and Western corporations on investing in India. Most of what I tell them sounds to them exaggerated, unrealistic, and unbelievable. After much dance, drama, and a great deal of lost money, they begin to believe what I tell them. However, this learning is never institutionalized because of a refusal to understand India. This is a form of political correctness, a poison eating away the innards of Western values.

When I was a child growing up in India, I learned that “might makes right.” Power was often abused, with those in control acting as if they had a God-given right to exploit and dominate others. The display of authority could be so extreme that questioning it or expecting those in power to do their duty might lead to retribution. Those in authority seemed to believe that their positions were not for serving others but for personal gain.

People who showed respect appeared to have meekly accepted a lower, subservient position. Kind people had to hide their compassion, for being nice was seen as a weakness.

In India, I have rarely seen someone in authority take the initiative to solve a problem he was responsible for. When I was at university, an underaged boy who worked in the kitchen was raped and sodomized by the janitors. I reported the matter, but not only did no one in authority do what was right — something well within their power — the authorities and fellow students threatened me with severe consequences if I pursued the matter further. Devoid of empathy, they also made fun of the boy and me.

Yes, there is an element of sadism here. There is some degree of pleasure that Indians take in the pain suffered by others. The attitude of the authorities was like that of the high-placed Delhi bureaucrat who told me that his Black Label whiskey tastes so much better because he knows that most Indians can’t afford to drink it.

This confuses Westerners. If they had power, even if they were corrupt, in a situation where there was nothing to gain or lose — no bribes to receive since both parties were poor, and no risk of offending someone well-connected — they would do the right thing and book the alleged rapist. These Indians would do nothing, not even lift a finger, unless there was a reward: money or sex. Their apathy was bottomless.


The article goes on about how incredibly low-trust India is as a society.

True? Any people from India want to opine on this?

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589   zzyzzx   2025 Nov 20, 10:11am  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATA57sEoLDk

Why Is There So Much Litter In India?

Comments are priceless!
590   KgK one   2025 Nov 20, 10:48am  

Yes some places are very dirty in india. They will clean up as money comes in and civic sense improve. E.g largest slum in bombay is being taken down for highrises. Some tourist go there just to take videos of such dirty area. There are many others who go to amazing places and skip dirty area.


Donald junior n politicians from 40 countries visiting India.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AHvz68XA6/
591   goofus   2025 Nov 20, 5:14pm  

KgK one says

Yes some places are very dirty in india. They will clean up as money comes in and civic sense improve. E.g largest slum in bombay is being taken down for highrises. Some tourist go there just to take videos of such dirty area. There are many others who go to amazing places and skip dirty area.


Civic sense will improve when (and only when) this peevish idea of “slave morality” disappears. Picking up after yourself, or God forbid others, is considered beneath most castes. That’s for Dalits. But living in trash cities is not beneath the self-same. Amazing.

Surely you don’t believe the cold swami on the mountain is living 100’s of years. I’ll give you that Himalayan foothills are probably not smelly — too cold.
592   HeadSet   2025 Nov 20, 6:10pm  

Patrick says

Welsh and Breton are really different from Irish and Scottish, though I can pick up some similarities because they are Celtic. I've heard they can more or less understand each other.

You may be thinking Cornish and Breton. I do know that the Celtic folks in Cornwall and the Celts in Brittany routinely understand each other. Welsh is unintelligible to Breton and Cornish, as well as to Irish and Scot languages. May share some cognates and some grammar structure. Similar to English and Frisian - closely related but not mutually understandable. It sounds like you did some Welsh, so did you notice the spray talk and words that look like they have no vowels? Way different than something like "Caisleán Uí Shúileabháin."
593   Patrick   2025 Nov 20, 6:27pm  

Cornish died out though, somewhere around 1800. There are some people who deliberately try to speak it, but not many.

You're right that Welsh and Breton are not mutually intelligible, though Breton is derived from Welsh-ish speakers who moved there during the Anglo-Saxon invasions.

I never studied any Welsh, just did a vacation in Wales a few years ago. The language is definitely still alive, and I picked up a few recognizable tidbits. I can't speak Irish in spite of my study, but I get about 50% when reading it.
594   HeadSet   2025 Nov 20, 6:32pm  

Patrick says

I studied Irish for five years

Impressive, I will defer to your knowledge, but I do wonder how different these Irish dialects were 200 years ago, plus all the dialects that died out since the English took over. I presume that those three surviving dialects (Munster, Connacht, and Ulster) have grown more similar today with intermixing from modern travel and communications and new vocabulary.
595   Patrick   2025 Nov 20, 6:35pm  

Yes, they are converging to some degree, since now that the Republic exists, there is an official standard Irish.

When I started, my first thought was that they really need to reform the spelling. Then I learned that what I was reading is the reformed spelling. The Scots never reformed it though, so there are even more unpronounced letters in Scottish Gaelic.

Irish spelling is consistent at least. If you see a word written out, you can be pretty sure of how to pronounce it, more so than in English.
596   HeadSet   2025 Nov 20, 6:42pm  

Patrick says

Cornish died out though, somewhere around 1800

Well, I heard what I thought was Cornish, and someone I know said that the fisherman from Brittany could understand it. Maybe I am misremembering. I did spend time in Aberystwyth. and if I were to ever move to Britain, I would settle in Wales. It is beautiful and I do not know why the English bad talk it. It would be worth learning the language.
597   HeadSet   2025 Nov 20, 6:48pm  

Patrick says

The Scots never reformed it though, so there are even more unpronounced letters in Scottish Gaelic.

I blame the French. The French language is riddled with unpronounced letters and they brought that crap over with the Norman Conquest. Affected both English and apparently Scottish.
598   Patrick   2025 Nov 20, 6:51pm  

I've had that same thought: "OK, Irish spelling is kind of insane, but so is French, and people don't seem to mind."

I think the Irish/Scottish spelling system is hundreds of years older than the Normal conquest. I wrote about it a while ago:

https://patrick.net/post/1323032/2019-03-12-how-to-pronounce-words-in-irish-gaelic
599   Patrick   2025 Nov 20, 7:01pm  

Also interesting: French is so fucked up partly because of the Celtic influence on Latin. The Gauls spoke something like Welsh, and traces of it appear in French pronunciation and vocabulary.

The Celts counted by twenties and not tens, which is why 80 in French is quatre-vingts. This literally means "four twenties".
600   HeadSet   2025 Nov 20, 7:03pm  

Patrick says

now that the Republic exists, there is an official standard Irish.

Then they should make an modern Irish version of an alphabet. Add in Greek characters, if necessary, but create enough vowels and consonants that additions like those accent mark vowel hats are not needed.
601   HeadSet   2025 Nov 20, 7:08pm  

Patrick says


The Gauls spoke something like Welsh, and traces of it appear in French pronunciation and vocabulary.

I wondered why French is the only Romance language that does not have some form of the word "aqua" to mean "water." Is "Eau" similar to the word for water in your Gaelic studies?
602   HeadSet   2025 Nov 20, 7:10pm  

Patrick says

I think the Irish/Scottish spelling system is hundreds of years older than the Normal conquest.

So is the English spelling system. French still came in and changed it.
603   Patrick   2025 Nov 20, 7:16pm  

HeadSet says


Is "Eau" similar to the word for water in your Gaelic studies?


No, it's uisce in Irish, pronounced "ishka". We get the word whiskey from that.

Eau: Inherited from Middle French eau, eaue, from Old French ewe, euwe, egua (“water”), from Latin aqua (“water”)
Uisce: From Old Irish uisce, from Proto-Celtic *udenskyos, from Proto-Indo-European *udéns.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eau#French
604   Patrick   2025 Nov 20, 7:20pm  

HeadSet says


Then they should make an modern Irish version of an alphabet. Add in Greek characters, if necessary


I was thinking we should do this with English. Why use "th" when there is a perfectly fine theta in Greek? θ

And for "sh" we could use the Russian sha ш or the Hebrew shin ש‎

And we should put accents on the vowel where the accent is not on the first syllable, kinda like Spanish uses accents to clarify pronunciation: inspéct but insect
605   HeadSet   2025 Nov 20, 7:34pm  

θat is your wiш? Excéptional!
606   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2025 Nov 20, 7:37pm  

Interesting stuff! I suck at languages, even my own. Except for computer languages I know a fuck ton of those.

I think polyglots have a special enhanced part of their brains or something.

Working in biotech often with brits really helped me kick dudelish so I don't sound so retarded around the other scientists...
609   WookieMan   2025 Nov 26, 4:31am  

KgK one says

Yes some places are very dirty in india. They will clean up as money comes in and civic sense improve. E.g largest slum in bombay is being taken down for highrises. Some tourist go there just to take videos of such dirty area. There are many others who go to amazing places and skip dirty area.


Donald junior n politicians from 40 countries visiting India.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AHvz68XA6/

Sorry. The prized possession of India has awful landscaping. The water looks dirty. I appreciate a non photoshopped photo though.

To be honest there are better court houses in small counties in rural America. It doesn't look impressive at all.
610   HeadSet   2025 Nov 26, 8:08am  

KgK one says

Yes some places are very dirty in india. They will clean up as money comes in and civic sense improve.

No, the filth is not a much a problem of money and civic sense as it is a byproduct of extreme population density.
611   Patrick   2025 Nov 26, 9:47am  

Booger says






That was the entirely appropriate response to anyone shitting in public.
612   KgK one   2025 Nov 26, 10:40am  

Not that it matters, guy called him kahn and he may be pakistani.

But such should be confronted to not shit in public and telling the guy where nearest bathroom is right thing to do.
We need such guy in every us city to tell these street poppers.
E.g. San Francisco poop map, thousands of people mostly white n black pooping on street


To be fair these videos can be made of anyone white/black but lot of people forward it when indian so more people make it. Lot of these accounts originated from pakistan n Bangladesh.

Thousands of white guy pooping out is not interesting to other whites.
613   Patrick   2025 Nov 26, 11:07am  

All that shit in San Francisco is from homeless addicts.

It's a different class of problem. Not cultural. Longhouse Democrats always refuse to seriously deal with the addicts. The right answer is to put them in prison to get them off drugs, and to adopt the El Salvador model of prisons as extremely strict so that absolutely no drugs can get in there.

Once people are forced to be off drugs for a while, they might be able to recover:

https://patrick.net/post/1378398/2023-01-27-the-secret-to-ending-homelessness
614   KgK one   2025 Nov 26, 11:36am  

Culturally this in not encouraged. Even with hugh population , Only poor areas have this issue. As more bathroom facilities open, water water connection it will completely disappear.

Some states in india have completely eliminated this problem.

If India becomes full us ally, or us has base there all this will negative press will disappear from media.
615   HeadSet   2025 Nov 27, 6:17am  

Patrick says

Longhouse Democrats

Interesting term. I presume that refers to the North Carolina Injuns that lived in those longhouse huts that were ruled by a senior matriarch. In essence, "Longhouse Democrats" means a feminized society.
617   Patrick   2025 Nov 27, 8:45am  

HeadSet says

Patrick says


Longhouse Democrats

Interesting term. I presume that refers to the North Carolina Injuns that lived in those longhouse huts that were ruled by a senior matriarch. In essence, "Longhouse Democrats" means a feminized society.


Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

I country ruled by aging HR ladies.
620   WookieMan   2025 Nov 28, 2:12pm  

KgK one says







Gotta read up dude.

https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2025/11/25/busiest-single-runway-airport-sets-new-record-with-1036-flights/#google_vignette

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_International_Airport

San Diego metro are has about 3.3M people. Single runway. Mumbai has 20M population. San Diego on a good day is close to 3-5 other airports around LA and Palm Springs. They don't beat this airport, but there also aren't 1.4B people in CA.

It literally is not an accomplishment at all. I get you have pride in your country, but this isn't a hill I'd die on. American aviation is exponentially better.
622   Patrick   2025 Nov 28, 7:06pm  

Booger says





I went to Ankara, Turkey, during a study abroad year in Germany. The air in Ankara was like that. I blew my nose and my snot was black.
623   HeadSet   2025 Nov 28, 7:38pm  

Patrick says

I went to Ankara, Turkey, during a study abroad year in Germany. The air in Ankara was like that. I blew my nose and my snot was black.

That is surprising to me. I have never been to Ankara, but I did spend some time in Antolia and that Mediterranean coast area was just like being on the coast in Italy or France.
624   Patrick   2025 Nov 28, 8:48pm  

The Mediterranean coast of Turkey (formerly known as "Greece") was indeed beautiful and did not have much air pollution.
625   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Nov 28, 9:05pm  

Patrick says

I went to Ankara, Turkey, during a study abroad year in Germany. The air in Ankara was like that. I blew my nose and my snot was black.

I think it's surrounded by hills and the exhaust gets trapped, like LA back when there was more industry there.
626   KgK one   2025 Nov 29, 1:12pm  

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRl9FxKgZxV/

This explains how west ships its trash n pollutes by manufactururing chemicals in india .

https://readon.substack.com/p/-why-india-imports-93000-tons-of-plastic-waste
628   Patrick   2025 Dec 1, 2:52pm  

So, bought from Costco with fraudulently used EBT/SNAP and then resold in a 7-11 I assume.

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