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Housing prices will not go down...


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2025 Jan 2, 7:23pm   3,606 views  152 comments

by anon5525   ➕follow (0)   ignore (0)  

... because immigration will not go down. Housing prices are controlled by supply and demand. There is no space in any urban area to build more housing. None. You can't insert land between two streets. The only way to increase supply is to steal people's homes through eminent domain and tear them down to build higher density apartments

So the only way to decrease real prices is to decrease demand, and the only way to do that is to kick out all illegal immigrants and anchor babies. Will Trump do this? Almost certainly not. Even with control over all three branches of the government, the Republicans are not going to get rid of all the illegals who are driving up housing prices and social welfare costs. I wish that I was wrong about this, but I'm not.

The United States population reached 200 million on November 20, 1967. If there was no net migration, then the U.S. population have stabilized to about 220 million. Instead, the population is 335 million. This is why housing is so expensive. This is why rent is so damn high. This is why the younger generations cannot afford to have children. This is why the only way to keep the population from falling is to import massive numbers of unskilled, uneducated, and often criminal immigrants. Both parties are responsible for this: democrats for importing voters and republicans for importing farm laborers. Both parties want cheap labor.

When you import massive numbers of low-iq, low-skill workers, your per capital GDP declines relative to where it would have been otherwise. Yes, technological advancements mask this because technology increases GDP faster than low-skill immigration decreases it, but most of those gains don't get seen by the middle class.

Since both parties, and their corporate overlords, are benefiting from the current system, immigration will continue and housing prices will also continue to rise. I suppose I shouldn't care since I own and have a 2.25% mortgage that is being eaten away by inflation, but anyone young enough that they having bought already is fucked.

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144   B.A.C.A.H.   2025 Jun 8, 6:27am  

WookieMan says


So have Pat change the site to California.net? You can't spit doom and gloom.


Patrick lives here in the SF Bay Area. I followed his blog since the 2006 Housing Bubble when I was looking for an alternative point of view to the Bay Area Residential Real Estate Zeitgeist at the time. He shared his experiences with Bay Area ®eatlors who were throwing gasoline on the fire during that time.

Another Bay Arean, Wolf Richter, shared this on his Wolfstreet blog in recent days. https://wolfstreet.com/2025/06/06/inventory-of-homes-for-sale-in-biggest-california-markets-suddenly-piles-up-to-highest-in-years-demand-has-collapsed/

Sure enough, after I read Wolf's article I looked up my East San Jose zip code on foreclosure.com. I don't know how accurate or complete their site is, but I saw 37 listings that are either "bankruptcy", "foreclosure", or "pre-foreclosure". Then I saw on Zillow that my East SJ sh*tbox is down about 200k from the peak of 2022.

So like Wolf's been warning, it's beginning to happen.
145   WookieMan   2025 Jun 8, 6:42am  

B.A.C.A.H. says

So like Wolf's been warning, it's beginning to happen.

I understand your area might be getting it bad and as you've said you're kind of looking forward to that. The guy that changes his username weekly posted a map in the other recent housing thread that shows the midwest (outside of MN) not losing value. And MN is almost exclusively due to Minneapolis and people leaving the city. Probably still staying in state, but it drags down prices.

My perspective is substantially different than CA, TX or FL. Those are huge markets, but doing well where I'm at and neighboring states. Between IL, WI, MI, OH, IN and IA that's a decent population. Shitty winters and all. It's the reason I despise when people post overall national stats. Even state stats are misleading. Chicago is likely down, but the rest of the region is up.
146   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 8, 7:10am  

WookieMan says

60% of the country that doesn't live on the coasts.


Parts of the country that is 'the coasts' according to WookieMan:



147   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 8, 7:11am  

WookieMan says

I understand your area might be getting it bad and as you've said you're kind of looking forward to that. The guy that changes his username weekly posted a map in the other recent housing thread that shows the midwest (outside of MN) not losing value. And MN is almost


Once again:

MolotovCocktail says

WookieMan says


60% of the country that doesn't live on the coasts.


Parts of the country that is 'the coasts' according to WookieMan:




148   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 8, 7:12am  

WookieMan says


My perspective is substantially different than CA, TX or FL


So fucking what? According to you, Oklahoma is a coastal state:

MolotovCocktail says

WookieMan says


60% of the country that doesn't live on the coasts.


Parts of the country that is 'the coasts' according to WookieMan:




149   B.A.C.A.H.   2025 Jun 8, 8:30am  

WookieMan says

I understand your area might be getting it bad

Ha! It's not getting bad; - it's getting less bad.
150   WookieMan   2025 Jun 8, 12:25pm  

You're talking about Oklahoma or Nebraska? States with no population? IL has the 6th largest population in the country. MI is 10th. OH is 7th. NY is higher along with PA. https://www.britannica.com/topic/largest-U-S-state-by-population

These are states with no population that may have lost 5% and IF you had to sell maybe cost you $10k. Oh the horror. 15 of the states are coastal. They lost more because prices are higher. Most the US population is not losing money on houses. Nevada is Vegas and Reno. Phoenix is land locked and is a bit surprising. Missouri and Arkansas are shit holes. Nashville got overhyped.

There's an easy explanation for every state. People want to move away from liberal shit holes. Not necessarily the state, but the city. Where prices are higher. This isn't complicated. It doesn't mean prices are collapsing by any mean except for where you bough and are butt hurt about it. (Not you BACAH)
151   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 8, 12:37pm  

WookieMan says

You're talking about Oklahoma or Nebraska?


No. You were.

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