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How much is involved depends on assumptions but it is a LOT. It means that SS has been used as a piggy bank for somebody in the government ranks. The temptation was just too great.

What Musk et alia will discover is the general theme of grafting from the budgets of all the government agencies. It's why the traitors and subversives seem to have such endless fiat money to spend on their depredations. It also follows that money is used to bribe the Congress critters and be bled into black budgets. If it increases the contrived Babylonian debt, so much the better. Vitiate their money while using their own money against them.

It's the usual Satanic Imperative of 'making them pay for their own destruction'. Everything Washington (former DC) does is about graft and laundering, with every virtue signaling fake handle they can muster.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/waterloo-monday-february-17-2025

A full decade ago in 2015, the Social Security Administration’s Inspector General reported that 6.5 million active Social Security numbers were assigned to people aged 112 or older, despite there being only 35 such individuals known to be living worldwide. (Robert Kennedy should be happy to hear about this.) That was alarming enough, but in 2023, an expanded audit looked at SSNs aged 100 and up. This time, 18.9 million active SSNs with birthdates of 1920 or earlier lacked a date of death, meaning they are still active.

But last year (2024), PEW Research reported there are only 80,000 living Americans aged 100+, leaving a shocking discrepancy of 18.8 million mysterious perennial people still receiving social security and possibly disability as well, not to mention generous credits from phantom tax returns, and of course, blue state and local benefits.

And of course, these immortal individuals are probably also voting. Voting Democrat.

The IG’s 2023 follow-up report detailed all the Agency’s terrific progress in resolving the problems identified since the earlier 2015 report. In short, the Social Security Administration’s diligent, alert, and apolitical permanent career civil servants grabbed hold of the IG’s 2015 report with both hands and shoved it into the basement furnace.

The Agency Decided Not to Address These Discrepancies
In response to our 2015 report, SSA considered multiple options, including adding presumed
death information to these Numident records. SSA ultimately decided not to proceed because
the
options would be costly to implement, would be of little benefit to the agency, would
largely duplicate information already available to data exchange consumers and would create
cost for the states and other data exchange partners."16 SSA also believed a regulation would
be required to allow it to add death information to these records, and adding presumed death
information to the Numident would increase the risk of inadvertent release of living individuals'
personal information in the DMF.
We note that, as of January 2023, the full DMF included death information on approximately
137 million deceased numberholders. Over 18 million missing death records represents more
than 10 percent of the records in the full DMF. Therefore, the death information SSA currently
provides Federal benefit-paying agencies--and will begin providing to the Department of the
Treasury's Do Not Pay initiative in December 2023-to help prevent improper payments to
deceased individuals, omit information for more than 1 of every 10 deceased numberholders.

I, for one, thank the gods of bureaucrats for all the hardworking, non-biased, non-partisan federal workers in the Social Security Administration who concluded, probably right after their 3-mimosa-lunch (held by Zoom), that it was just too hard and too expensive to stop 18.9 million fraudulent social security records by putting a presumed date of death into the date field. It’s no use.

It’s not like it might have made any difference in the 2020 election or anything.

Ibid:

I’m sure this will (not) shock you. Both times, 2015 and 2023, the media ignored or downplayed the story. A sane person living in pre-Millennial America might assume that the tireless watchdog media, upon learning about the vast numbers of impossibly fake Social Security accounts and the trillions of dollars of attendant waste and fraud would never give the government a moment’s peace until it was fixed.

But no.

We are not surprised. We are scarred veterans of the post-Millennial period, and we understand the media’s main job is not to expose, but to cover up government incompetence — and especially bury any news at all that might fuel legitimate concerns about election integrity.

Not to mention upholding corporate media’s timeless narrative chestnut that entitlement fraud is rare and overhyped and only a right-wing conspiracy theory. That narrative, after all, is as timeless as the millions of zombified centenarian recipients.

In 2015, apart from one-offs in some conservative media (Breitbart, Washington Times, Fox), I could only find a single AP story about the 6.5 million fraudulent Social Security records aged 112+. In 2023, after the SSA’s OIG published its report finding 19 million digitally breathing people over 100 still “alive” in the system, once again, there was mostly media silence. It should have been a five-alarm fire, but only a handful of “far-right” sites mentioned the news (Federalist, Washington Examiner). The usually reliable New York Post only briefly mentioned the OIG report, but even that was buried in a bigger article about government waste generally.

But CNN, The New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and the other major outlets? Crickets. My searches came up empty. It just wasn’t important enough to report.

In the latest electrifying development that will also probably not shock you, DOGE —for the last week slogging through the SSA’s septic systems of archaic paper and antique Cobol software — is beginning to report that the OIG canaries in the SSA mineshaft were, if anything, woefully underreporting the problem.

Yesterday, apparent DOGE mouthpiece Elon Musk posted a simple database count of active Social Security Numbers by age range. The dumbfounding chart was a political hydrogen bomb, and it speaks for itself:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1891350795452654076



Apparently, we’ve been operating on the honor system this whole time. We normal, non-civil-service Americans were the only ones who didn’t know. It’s just the latest reason they sneer at us and think we’re stupid and gullible. Those neanderthal conservatives will believe anything. They’re right. We’re the biggest suckers in human history.

I added up the numbers for our cherished, specially abled readers in Portland. Based on Elon’s chart, the total count of active SSNs is 398 million. That means there are +64 million more active SSNs than the entire population of the United States (334 million).

Let me say it again: sixty-four million zombies. Needless to say, it’s totally impossible, at least under our current scientific understanding of human mortality. The diligent, hardworking, apolitical employees in the federal government appear to have diligently preserved a shadow army of dead or nonexistent “Americans” on the books — zombies — with tens of millions of them potentially still receiving benefits, filing tax returns, and “voting” Democrat.

This appears to be a scandal of unfathomable, indescribable, revolutionary proportions. Since I have a very strong feeling that we will not be receiving tax refunds for our cataclysmically misspent entitlements lavished on millions of career criminals, including those inside the government, I say burn it all down.

Every age is probably bloated by millions in those other age ranges. Lots of dead folks on those too. Or illegal aliens.

I wonder how this will dovetail into voter roll cleansing? Well not really wonder if it will, but wonder what kind of resistance and pushback there could legally be after this revelation.

Could be that 30 to 50 percent of the annual SS outlays are going to shadow siphons. The rest is split between the legal beneficiaries and the illegal beneficiaries.

Everything they do is about laundering.

Of course, even the legal beneficiary SS has been chipped away gradually and has not kept up with inflation. All the propaganda crap about it running out of money to lower expectations was just to cover up the laundering scam.

There is no amount of money set up in public trust that is not immediately set upon by psychopaths and politicians attempting to steal it. It might be that SS was always intended to be a laundering scheme from the get go with the customary virtue signaling. It also unfortunately provides the government with great motive to mass kill the elderly.

Let's see the laundering scams around Medicaid, Medicare when they get around to it. All they would have to do is have a privileged raft of 'ghost providers' submitting claims that are preferentially processed through special centers that funnel the money off to whomever. May be we were a lot more solvent than we had any idea of, without the grafts, grifts and laundering by the politicians.

HeadSet says

SS payments did not start until 1940, so those 1.039 folks who are age 220 to 229 would have been put on the system at age 135 or older. Who signed off on that application?

Be sure this is real and not some planted strawman designed for Trump supporters to latch onto and then get discredited later.

I suspect some of this is simple data entry errors. (Fat fingers). Also depending on what OS the government is running could this be a Y2K style bug where certain years are being received incorrectly? It wouldn't surprise me at all if SS has antiquated systems. Heck I remember a decade ago when 60 minutes reported we still launched ICBMs via floppy disk.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/10/19/us-military-to-replace-1970s-floppy-disks-controlling-nuclear-missiles/

If they are on the rolls, I would assume they are still in the payouts. Why would they keep people on the rolls that aren't being paid or receiving 'benefits'?

If you take the 20 million retained on the rolls past 100, and even assume a median half the average SS payout @ 23k per year divided by two, you still get a sum of 230 billion.

I know that 'sanctified Deep State' fraud will thrive, but SS does investigate the regular citizens and takes back money from relatives who continue to collect on dead people. It is a routine event. I talked with a guy whose mother collected her own mother's checks for ten years after death, went to prison, but also had her own SS garnished to pay for the fraudulent amount.

https://amg-news.com/breaking-securitys-vampire-scam-millions-of-dead-people-are-sucking-your-tax-dollars/

The social security disability is the biggest scam area.

I know a guy who claimed he was "disabled" by "Lyme Disease." He was a gym rat and in his 30's at the time.

Others who are "disabled" are just lazy/depressed. You can go onto disability with depression.

There are a bunch of shyster lawyers who help you sue social security if they deny your bullshit disability claim.
Social Security eventually caves in.

Yes, true and quite common. Of course, the little grifters perform a service for the 'big grifters' by generating a smoke screen.
Disability ends at 65 and continues as, drum roll, social security.

clambo says

The social security disability is the biggest scam area.

I know a guy who claimed he was "disabled" by "Lyme Disease." He was a gym rat and in his 30's at the time.

Others who are "disabled" are just lazy/depressed. You can go onto disability with depression.

There are a bunch of shyster lawyers who help you sue social security if they deny your bullshit disability claim.
Social Security eventually caves in.

This seems like a perfect reason for TPTB to push people into some kind of new ID.

HeadSet says

SS payments did not start until 1940, so those 1.039 folks who are age 220 to 229 would have been put on the system at age 135 or older. Who signed off on that application?

Be sure this is real and not some planted strawman designed for Trump supporters to latch onto and then get discredited later.

It could be an artifact from
the time the data was transferred from paper records to the database. As in the date of birth was botched during the transfer and never re-checked later.
Or it was botched during any of numerous migrations from one database system to another. Data cleanup and verification is a thing, duh.

Ceffer says

So Deep State is clever enough to create a fake identity for all these exciting uses but stupid enough to not bother with making sure the fake "person" is not obviosly fake being 120-369 yo?

RWSGFY says

As in the date of birth was botched during the transfer

Odd that the date data field did not have a constraint prohibiting entering a date earlier that certain time.

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

As in the date of birth was botched during the transfer

Odd that the date data field did not have a constraint prohibiting entering a date earlier that certain time.

Less odd than deliberately creating 369 yo as your secret money syphoning donkey.

Can you imagine how many different platforms that data has been shuffled to and fro over the years?

From strictly paper, to mainframe, to minicomputers w/ something like DB/2 to then eventually stuff like Oracle DB in the cloud... Shit like that and worse happens during migrations all the time and we're talking gubmint employees and some random consultants sprinkled in...

Elon needs to follow up on who was really getting the money supposedly paid to 369 yo dude. Just publishing output from one simple SQL statement is half-assed. If it turns out that it was really a 69 yo grandma whose database record was fucked during data migration it would be embarrasing (not that he cares about such things).

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=251656

social security fraud pdf

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Can save at least $10 billion a year in Social Security fraud just based on this Inspector General finding. This is low hanging fruit (easy fixes to save money). That $10 billion per year in savings can fund at least 2 Virginia Class submarines that can deploy not only cruise missiles but nuclear armed hypersonic missiles, if Trump wants to increase America's strategic forces.

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"From FYs 2015 through 2022, SSA estimates it made nearly $72 billion in improper payments, most of which were overpayments."

https://oig.ssa.gov/news-releases/2024-08-19-ig-reports-nearly-72-billion-improperly-paid-recommended-improvements-go-unimplemented/

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Read below. So the Inspector General for Social Security found in 2015 that 44,000 people who were deceased were still being paid for Social Security ?

Just in the last 3 weeks, the DOGE has uncovered at least $100 billion in gross waste or fraud.

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https://www.aol.com/elon-musk-cries-fraud-20-215927532.html

“We believe it likely SSA did not receive or record most of the 18.9 million individuals’ death information primarily because the individuals died decades ago—before the use of electronic death reporting,” the report states.

Around 44,000 were actually receiving benefits, with 13 of those older than 112.

$100B wasted over a decade looks pretty normal kind of overhead for a system like that. Mostly residual effect of lack of automation in the decades prior so it's bound to go down once reporting becomes electronic and better integrated. But the guy claims $4.7B being deliberatedly syphoned off, and this is a completely different animal. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I didn't believe Faucci when he brayed aboud "safe and effective", why should I suddenly blindly believe Musk now? Only because he wears a red hat? LOL

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1891685749398859982

One reason for the "extra" social security numbers is the illegals invent them.

Strange but true, some illegals may be paying social security and Medicare taxes.

Either way, they gotta go; hasta la vista baby.

clambo says

Strange but true, some illegals may be paying social security and Medicare taxes.

But this is net inflow, not outflow. You don't get paid if you're illegal. Even GC holders need to ahere to certain rules to qualify, afaik.

The_Deplorable says

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1891685749398859982

Sure, everybody suspects that. The question is how many are legit dead and how many are just data glitches. This will require legwork. How many people over 100 shown as getting social security in that table Elon released - 40 mil? How many clerks would be needed to check every one of them over the next 4 years? That's 27K cases per day every day, including weekends (but working on weekends is a superpower, so it's fine). Not sure how many cases a single person can close in a day, but it's hard to imagine something more than low teens.

Any 19yo monkey can write a one-line SQL statement. The real work comes after.

The Wall Street Journal Line is "This isn't really fraud, it's to help illegals pay into social security" leaving out the "Many TPS Refugees are signed up by Jesuit Social Workers within weeks for valid SSNs, which then allows them to register to vote or for JRS to give them to DemActivists to register motor voter in 'honor system' states like Washington."

WHISTLEBLOWER: They were incentivized to qualify illegals for LONG TERM DISABILITY to qualify illegals for Social Security FOR LIFE, “So they were set for life”

“They wanted us to try to identify them in such a way that they would qualify for long-term social security disability. Now long-term social security disability is for life. So if they get identified and qualify for long-term social security disability, they are as good as set up for life”

“That doesn't sound like a refugee to me. Just being honest, that sounds like someone who's planning on staying here.”

“So they instructed us to try to identify, to try to get the client, because once they arrive here, they're now called clients. —So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches, recurring headaches, or any lower back problems, anything that would qualify them for Social Security Long Term Disability”

“Yes, it is insanity. But in order to get Social Security disability benefits, don't you need a Social Security number? Well, we were instructed in the meeting that one of the first things we were supposed to do was sign them up for Social Security.”

“This is unbelievable. So they come over here and they get a Social Security number. Right. They become legal.

Correct.”

Democrats wanted illegals migrants on PERMANENT social security so they could drain our system and we’d pay for them until the day they die. They’d never have to work a day in their lives in America

https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1891895227067269464

AmericanKulak says

The Wall Street Journal Line is "This isn't really fraud, it's to help illegals pay into social security" leaving out the "Many TPS Refugees are signed up by Jesuit Social Workers within weeks for valid SSNs, which then allows them to register to vote or for JRS to give them to DemActivists to register motor voter in 'honor system' states like Washington."

Illegals are illegals and must go but their presense in the system makes proving that $4.7T is being syphoned off harder, not easier. Because whatever Deep State syphons off through these 300 yo payees the illegals fill back in, LOL.

I have a hunch they keep the most primitive systems in place rather than expediting the release from the rolls for the obvious reasons: they can keep a bunch of inefficient and agog civil servants on the rolls, too. They also keep alive a system that defies efficient audits on purpose to cover up the chicanery aka like the paper trails in warehouses heaving with old papers randomly arranged instead of computers.

Eric Holder says

But this is net inflow, not outflow. You don't get paid if you're illegal. Even GC holders need to ahere to certain rules to qualify, afaik.

Not me, but former employer would hire workers that would get their ITIN (illegal). They had to file taxes and pay into SS even as a contractor. If they have an ITIN the government looks the other way if they're legal or not.

He's probably shitting his pants right now though. I haven't talked to my former boss in 7 years. Part of the reason I had to leave. He wanted me to participate in illegal activities. Nope. Typical Chicago liberal/leftie. I was out. 15 years of his bull shit.

Strange. People who say SS couldn't be that sloppy, and yet election fraud was conspicuously sloppy with fake addresses and dead people. They just don't give a fuck because they believe themselves to be impervious i.e. impervious leads to sloppy.

Ceffer says

Strange. People who say SS couldn't be that sloppy, and yet election fraud was conspicuously sloppy with fake addresses and dead people. They just don't give a fuck because they believe themselves to be impervious i.e. impervious leads to sloppy.

... and yet no prosecution of the sloppy election riggers I'm aware of. Must be not that sloppy after all, if they are so hard to catch.

Eric Holder says

if they are so hard to catch.

Not hard to catch, hard to prosecute with the Dems, LibbyFucks and Freemasons at the helm. I gather that Trump has the election frauds on his menu, but we will see.

Ceffer says

Eric Holder says

if they are so hard to catch.

Not hard to catch, hard to prosecute with the Dems, LibbyFucks and Freemasons at the helm. I gather that Trump has the election frauds on his menu, but we will see.

Why hasn't he done anything about it? I mean, he kicked off many things, but not this.

Eric Holder says

Why hasn't he done anything about it? I mean, he kicked off many things, but not this.

Yet. It's not over.

Ceffer says

Eric Holder says

Why hasn't he done anything about it? I mean, he kicked off many things, but not this.

Yet. It's not over.

Right. But unlike many other things this needs to be done before midterms, which are less than 2 years away.

Eric Holder says

"The question is how many are legit dead and how many are just
data glitches. This will require legwork."

No it does require legwork because we already know just by looking at the age of
the Social Security recipients. We have over 20 million retirees who are over 100
years old. At this point it is safe to assume that these 20 million recipients are cases
of fraud. Except perhaps ten people or so.

I am asuming they can track what account the checks were deposited into.

The_Deplorable says

No it does require legwork because we already know just by looking at the age of
the Social Security recipients

Really? You can tell by just looking at one field that this is really the age of a recipirent and not date attribute corruption during transition from COBOL to RDBMS or during Y2K scramble? How?

AmericanKulak says

Democrats wanted illegals migrants on PERMANENT social security so they could drain our system

"drain out stystem"? To what end? What purpose?