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Well, Z is an actor, as are most of them to some extent, so I could believe this was a frenemy type staging and Z was in on it. Eye of the beholder and all that. All star wrestling.

Why not inject a bit of 'Mean Girls' into the White House proceedings. Maybe Z got some of his rare earths back. Z's cards are blackmail of a good number of our illustrious Congress critters. Illuminati wars are interesting.

"Spill the beans, Z, bring it all on. I want to hear it. We'll make Auntie Graham snivel in his gin."

The hazard of sending a gay junkie comedian actor to do the job of a leader, or just another publicity head fake?

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/85921

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

Madcow towed the Ukey-Euro line.

Shocked.

Don't be surprised if Trump makes a comment about Zelensky's unusually agitated state.

Which, according to rumor among Europeans, is "Well Known" as to the cause. SNIFF

Also Brian Glenn is the Real America's Voice Reporter who asked the "Suit" question

Maybe they should have had the meeting at a rehab instead of the Oval Office.

I think Trump is doing a Jerry Springer routine with these 'world leaders' coming for audiences at the White House showing what depraved and pitiful tools they are while pretending to glad hand them.

Ceffer says

I think Trump is doing a Jerry Springer routine

JD Vance did pull a Steve yesterday.

"STEVE! STEVE! STEVE!"

Tenpoundbass says

JD Vance did pull a Steve yesterday.

"STEVE! STEVE! STEVE!"

From what I've seen I liked it. Both Trump and JD were the alphas in the room. They made Z look weak, which I think was the point. I need to watch the full thing at some point. But I've seen clips where Trump touches Z with his hand on the arm. That's boss style.

There's a full 45 minute video out there I watched yesterday. But the audio cut out after ten minutes. But the footage I did see gave me more details on what Zelensky was getting.

He talked about getting Russia's 350 billion, he said "Yes! OK! So we get that money, but it still wont be enough!"
Trump and Vance just looked at each other.
Then Zelensky said the US will give Ukraine license for air defense, tanks and fighter jets. Now I would assume, this is more than we sell Ukraine those armaments it sounds like Ukraine would also be able to produce them themselves, and they would be supplied.
We were also going to rebuild their electric grid and infrastructure.

Now they were getting their roads, and grid restored, which they wouldn't have to touch the 350 billion Russian funds to get done.
The arms we supplied wouldn't be out of the 350 billion.
So Zelensky stated that the 350 billion wasn't enough an scoffed at it, because he as well as we all know that only about 70 billion if that would go to spending on his armed forces, and administrative work for Ukraine. The rest would be chopped up for the EU grifteres, the US grifters and the Zelensky cabal. Trump and Vance caught on at that point, Zelensky wasn't there for peace, he was there to keep the checks going. The Worldwide Establishment is on the ropes, DOGE knocked their funding out of service. This war is all that they have left. They need large military checks being cut to Ukraine so they can continue to dib it up.

Trump has the biggest balls in Washington. Go man Go

Trump was ranting nonsense and bullshit; Vance is a little twerp, I don't give a shit what he says about anything.

I otherwise support Trump for other things he does, but this time he was a clown and lived up to the media representation of him.

I would gladly send my $5 grand "Doge refund" to Ukraine to buy missiles to blast that maniac Putin to hell.

They should have met in private to agree on some of the details and get a signature or Zelensky.

I watched the Oval Office meeting and it seemed like Zelensky was the most vocal when JD Vance stated about diplomacy with the Kremlin, which I understand is a controversial statement given Russia invaded Ukraine and caused a lot of death and destruction. It's like trying to appease a lesser version of Adolph Hitler.

So Zelensky wants Trump to make more specific security commitments, which Trump already said there will be European (including British) troops in Ukraine.

That is a way for Trump to already set one concession for Putin before even meeting him.

But Trump's style is very coy, and because of that, he won't "show all or most of his cards" to both Zelensky and Putin.

Tenpoundbass says

So Zelensky stated that the 350 billion wasn't enough an scoffed at it, because he as well as we all know that only about 70 billion if that would go to spending on his armed forces, and administrative work for Ukraine. The rest would be chopped up for the EU grifteres, the US grifters and the Zelensky cabal. Trump and Vance caught on at that point

Zelensky said since the war started, $320 billion has been spent on weapons and defense, with $200 billion from the USA and Europe and $120 billion from the Ukraine people.
Link: https://www.voanews.com/a/us-figures-do-not-support-trump-claims-on-ukraine-spending/7981441.html

The above VOA link seems to imply USA spent $102 billion and Europe $98 billion for that $200 billion in weapons and defense funding.

About $37.6 billion (of the $183 billion shown on the US inspector general for Ukraine assistance) is from USAID.
Link: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/17/europe/ukraine-counts-costs-of-usaid-suspension-intl/index.html

So far I counted from the USA about $102 billion weapons funding and $37.6 billion in USAID funding since February 2022, and from what I've been reading on various news sites, estimate roughly $50 billion "set aside" annually for Ukraine.

BUT YES, how many "pass through's" or "middle men" in the USA and Europe (i.e, grifter "administrators" at the government agencies and Non Government Organizations) are there that get the Ukraine money ?

YES about "grifters" like how much of the grants from Birdbrain Biden admin will eventually make it to AntiFa rioters when its "their time to cause havoc" ?

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AD says

Zelensky said since the war started, $320 billion has been spent on weapons and defense, with $200 billion from the USA and Europe and $120 billion from the Ukraine people.

The 350 Billion stated above was frozen Russian assets that hasn't been spent. Zelensky scoffed at it, like it's chump change. That's more than most countries that size decade GDP.

AD says

They should have met in private to agree on some of the details and get a signature or Zelensky.

To be clear here, the events we witnessed yesterday, was NOT the formal meeting. It was the photo opp meet and greet.
Where both sides were supposed to put on their best poker face and alligator smiles, and at most hint to any inquiry on any details.
Every dignitary that has ever come to Washington has been gracious and all smiles at that portion of the meeting. After that meet and greet, they were supposed to meet in private hash out any outstanding details, sign the agreement then have lunch and later in the day, they were to have a joint press conference. That would have been the venue and platform for Zelensky to have aired his grievances. Even if he rejected the deal, then he would have seemed very stately and prudent. but he way he acted at the wrong time, made him look like a damn fool. Vance and Trump was right to send the ungrateful little fuck packing with goose eggs.

Tenpoundbass says

Where both sides were supposed to put on their best poker face and alligator smiles, and at most hint to any inquiry on any details.

Yeah, as far as $350 billion from seized Russian assets to rebuild Ukraine from western Kiev (i.e., Bucha) to the western border of Donbas, assuming Russia keeps Donbas.

I agree, sign some symbolic and very general / non-specific deal on mineral rights, especially since the USA agreed to a much lesser portion than the original proposal of its share of $500 billion

A few hours after the Oval Office meeting , Zelensky was more conciliatory on Fox News with Brett Baier : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E

This may mean Zelensky may soon meet again with Trump and at least sign the deal as the first step to at least a cease fire

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How do you suss a real time addict? Let me count the ways.

EU wants to FAFO, go ahead.

The mainstream media already "poisoned the well" prior to the Oval Office meeting.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

Tenpoundbass says

One of the swamp creatures said today, that Trump now owns Ukraine

Nope. Europe does.

When I said Own I meant owns the confect and its eventual outcome. The RINOs in the GOP didn't have an exit plan, but realized it was killing their chances of a reelection. They are relived Trump stepped in it. If Lindsey saw Ukraine as viable, he would be the first to bash Trump and Vance yesterday over that ruckus melee meeting.

Tenpoundbass says

If Lindsey saw Ukraine as viable, he would be the first to bash Trump and Vance yesterday over that ruckus melee meeting.

Lindsey Graham's stark criticism of Zelensky seemed to be enough for Zelensky to at least jettison the Democrat NeoCons during his a lot more conciliatory tone on Brett Baier's Fox News show after the Oval Office meeting.

What do they do? Pass around Aunty Lindsay's blackmail tapes to get him to squawk for their latest protocols? "Squawk like a chicken, Lindsay, we gots the vids right here. Wanna keep some of that laundered money?"

Guess the premium adrenochrome from Ukraine factories dried up..

AD says

during his a lot more conciliatory tone on Brett Baier's Fox News show

The last 15 years or more has taught me anything, that is Don't take anything anyone says on a cable news show, as official action, or the final intent of an action.

Even Trump has thrown around some whoppers on news TV shows. But if he Tweets it, then that's his final word, or anything he does or says while behind the Seal of POTUS. But he's liable to say anything on Fox news, just like every other politician. If words spoken on Fox meant anything. America would have already had their dream MAGA champions. Gowdy, Gaetz, Jordan, Paul, they sure sound like the hammer is coming down on cable tv shows. But to date, has never accomplished anything they said they would do on Fox. That is hold people accountable, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. They name drop in Congress is the best they ever do. We'll see how far the GOP congress let's Elon, DOGE and Trump get before they pull the plug. They sure are acting on board for now.

I'm thinking if they didn't get the 'rare earths' contract (reputedly a non starter since mining Ukraine is cost prohibitive), maybe Trump did get a blackmail tapes exchange, since Auntie Lindsay is now flip flopping more than MI6 toolshed Piers Morgan.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/63779

Euro demon blood drinkers, coneheads and grandiose bloodline monsters stand behind the KMaf Nazi lawn ornament cokehead addict in his gym suit. Europe is so done.

Yeah, we really care what the rabid, parasitic Euro Cunts think. Let them handle Putin on their own. When the Russian tanks roll into Davos through their Satanic tunnel, the fat Baphomet will sing.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/02/disgraceful-eus-top-diplomat-calls-new-leader-free/

Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson
Ten bad takeaways from the Zelenskyy blow-up

1. Zelenskyy does not grasp—or deliberately ignores—the bitter truth: those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those with whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (cf. his Scranton, Penn. campaign-like visit in September 2024) alone have the power to save him. For his own sake, I hope he is not being “briefed” by the Obama-Clinton-Biden gang to confront Trump, given their interests are not really Ukraine’s as they feign.

2. Zelenskyy acts as if his agendas and ours are identical. So, he keeps insisting that he is fighting for us despite our two-ocean-distance that he mocks. We do have many shared interests with Ukraine, but not all by any means: Trump wants to “reset” with Russia and triangulate it against China. He seeks to avoid a 1962 DEFCON 2-like crisis over a proxy showdown in proximity to a nuclear rival. And he sincerely wants to end the deadlocked Stalingrad slaughterhouse for everyone’s sake.

3. The Europeans (and Canada) are now talking loudly of a new muscular antithesis, independent of the U.S. Promises, promises—given that would require Europeans to prune back their social welfare state, frack, use nuclear, stop the green obsessions, and spend 3-5 percent of their GDP on defense. The U.S. does not just pay 16 percent of NATO’s budget but also puts up with asymmetrical tariffs that result in a European Union trade surplus of $160 billion, plays the world cop patrolling sea-lanes and deterring terrorists and rogues states that otherwise might interrupt Europe’s commercial networks abroad, as well as de facto including Europe under a nuclear umbrella of 6,500 nukes.

4. Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.

5. What are Zelenskyy’s alternatives without much U.S. help—wait for a return of the Democrats to the White House in four years? Hope for a rearmed Europe? Pray for a Democratic House and a 3rd Vindman-like engineered Trump impeachment? Or swallow his pride, return to the White House, sign the rare-earth minerals deal, invite in the Euros (are they seriously willing to patrol a DMZ?), and hope Trump can warn Putin, as he did successfully between 2017-21, not to dare try it again?

6. If there is a cease fire, a commercial deal, a Euro ground presence, and influx of Western companies into Ukraine, would there be elections? And if so, would Zelenskyy and his party win? And if not, would there be a successor transparent government that would reveal exactly where all the Western financial aid money went?

7. Zelenskyy might see a model in Netanyahu. The Biden Administration was far harder on him than Trump is on Ukraine: suspending arms shipments, demanding cease-fires, prodding for a wartime, bipartisan cabinet, hammering Israel on collateral damage—none of which Westerners have demanded of Zelenskyy. Yet Netanyahu managed a hostile Biden, kept Israel close to its patron, and when visiting was gracious to his host. Netanyahu certainly would never before the global media have interrupted, and berated a host and patron president in the White House.

8. If Ukraine has alienated the U.S. what then is its strategic victory plan? Wait around for more Euros? Hold off an increasingly invigorated Russian military? Cede more territory? What, then, exactly are Zelenskyy’s cards he seems to think are a winning hand?

9. If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was naïve for such a supposedly worldly leader.

10. March 2025 is not March 2022, after the heroic saving of Kyiv—but three years and 1.5 million dead and wounded later. Zelenskyy is no longer the international heartthrob with the glamorous entourage. He has postponed elections, outlawed opposition media and parties, suspended habeas corpus and walked out of negotiations when he had an even hand in Spring 2022 and apparently even now when he does not in Spring 2025.

Quo vadis, Volodymyr?
https://x.com/VDHanson/status/1895892571664343159

That's raving drug psychotic coke head moron to you, sir!

LOL!

https://t.me/tribunalsandexecutions/505046

clambo says

Trump was ranting nonsense and bullshit; Vance is a little twerp, I don't give a shit what he says about anything.

I otherwise support Trump for other things he does, but this time he was a clown and lived up to the media representation of him.

I would gladly send my $5 grand "Doge refund" to Ukraine to buy missiles to blast that maniac Putin to hell.

First of all what has russia done to you to cause you to hate Putin? And secondly, how much of your money have you sent Ukraine so far to arm ukraine?

Nothing. And I can’t stand the money to Ukraine. $71k in taxes so I have skin in the game.

Is there a good (short) primer on the Ukraine situation that anyone here can recommend? I've read that the US/Euro was involved in regime change around 2014. I sure can't get any details from Wikipedia about what happened then.

brazil66 says

Is there a good (short) primer on the Ukraine situation that anyone here can recommend?

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