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AD says

They should have met in private to agree on some of the details and get a signature or Zelensky.

To be clear here, the events we witnessed yesterday, was NOT the formal meeting. It was the photo opp meet and greet.
Where both sides were supposed to put on their best poker face and alligator smiles, and at most hint to any inquiry on any details.
Every dignitary that has ever come to Washington has been gracious and all smiles at that portion of the meeting. After that meet and greet, they were supposed to meet in private hash out any outstanding details, sign the agreement then have lunch and later in the day, they were to have a joint press conference. That would have been the venue and platform for Zelensky to have aired his grievances. Even if he rejected the deal, then he would have seemed very stately and prudent. but he way he acted at the wrong time, made him look like a damn fool. Vance and Trump was right to send the ungrateful little fuck packing with goose eggs.

Tenpoundbass says

Where both sides were supposed to put on their best poker face and alligator smiles, and at most hint to any inquiry on any details.

Yeah, as far as $350 billion from seized Russian assets to rebuild Ukraine from western Kiev (i.e., Bucha) to the western border of Donbas, assuming Russia keeps Donbas.

I agree, sign some symbolic and very general / non-specific deal on mineral rights, especially since the USA agreed to a much lesser portion than the original proposal of its share of $500 billion

A few hours after the Oval Office meeting , Zelensky was more conciliatory on Fox News with Brett Baier : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqLcBwUT_E

This may mean Zelensky may soon meet again with Trump and at least sign the deal as the first step to at least a cease fire

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How do you suss a real time addict? Let me count the ways.

EU wants to FAFO, go ahead.

The mainstream media already "poisoned the well" prior to the Oval Office meeting.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

Tenpoundbass says

One of the swamp creatures said today, that Trump now owns Ukraine

Nope. Europe does.

When I said Own I meant owns the confect and its eventual outcome. The RINOs in the GOP didn't have an exit plan, but realized it was killing their chances of a reelection. They are relived Trump stepped in it. If Lindsey saw Ukraine as viable, he would be the first to bash Trump and Vance yesterday over that ruckus melee meeting.

Tenpoundbass says

If Lindsey saw Ukraine as viable, he would be the first to bash Trump and Vance yesterday over that ruckus melee meeting.

Lindsey Graham's stark criticism of Zelensky seemed to be enough for Zelensky to at least jettison the Democrat NeoCons during his a lot more conciliatory tone on Brett Baier's Fox News show after the Oval Office meeting.

What do they do? Pass around Aunty Lindsay's blackmail tapes to get him to squawk for their latest protocols? "Squawk like a chicken, Lindsay, we gots the vids right here. Wanna keep some of that laundered money?"

Guess the premium adrenochrome from Ukraine factories dried up..

AD says

during his a lot more conciliatory tone on Brett Baier's Fox News show

The last 15 years or more has taught me anything, that is Don't take anything anyone says on a cable news show, as official action, or the final intent of an action.

Even Trump has thrown around some whoppers on news TV shows. But if he Tweets it, then that's his final word, or anything he does or says while behind the Seal of POTUS. But he's liable to say anything on Fox news, just like every other politician. If words spoken on Fox meant anything. America would have already had their dream MAGA champions. Gowdy, Gaetz, Jordan, Paul, they sure sound like the hammer is coming down on cable tv shows. But to date, has never accomplished anything they said they would do on Fox. That is hold people accountable, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. They name drop in Congress is the best they ever do. We'll see how far the GOP congress let's Elon, DOGE and Trump get before they pull the plug. They sure are acting on board for now.

I'm thinking if they didn't get the 'rare earths' contract (reputedly a non starter since mining Ukraine is cost prohibitive), maybe Trump did get a blackmail tapes exchange, since Auntie Lindsay is now flip flopping more than MI6 toolshed Piers Morgan.

https://t.me/gatewaypunditofficial/63779

Euro demon blood drinkers, coneheads and grandiose bloodline monsters stand behind the KMaf Nazi lawn ornament cokehead addict in his gym suit. Europe is so done.

Yeah, we really care what the rabid, parasitic Euro Cunts think. Let them handle Putin on their own. When the Russian tanks roll into Davos through their Satanic tunnel, the fat Baphomet will sing.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/02/disgraceful-eus-top-diplomat-calls-new-leader-free/

Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson
Ten bad takeaways from the Zelenskyy blow-up

1. Zelenskyy does not grasp—or deliberately ignores—the bitter truth: those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those with whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (cf. his Scranton, Penn. campaign-like visit in September 2024) alone have the power to save him. For his own sake, I hope he is not being “briefed” by the Obama-Clinton-Biden gang to confront Trump, given their interests are not really Ukraine’s as they feign.

2. Zelenskyy acts as if his agendas and ours are identical. So, he keeps insisting that he is fighting for us despite our two-ocean-distance that he mocks. We do have many shared interests with Ukraine, but not all by any means: Trump wants to “reset” with Russia and triangulate it against China. He seeks to avoid a 1962 DEFCON 2-like crisis over a proxy showdown in proximity to a nuclear rival. And he sincerely wants to end the deadlocked Stalingrad slaughterhouse for everyone’s sake.

3. The Europeans (and Canada) are now talking loudly of a new muscular antithesis, independent of the U.S. Promises, promises—given that would require Europeans to prune back their social welfare state, frack, use nuclear, stop the green obsessions, and spend 3-5 percent of their GDP on defense. The U.S. does not just pay 16 percent of NATO’s budget but also puts up with asymmetrical tariffs that result in a European Union trade surplus of $160 billion, plays the world cop patrolling sea-lanes and deterring terrorists and rogues states that otherwise might interrupt Europe’s commercial networks abroad, as well as de facto including Europe under a nuclear umbrella of 6,500 nukes.

4. Zelenskyy must know that all of the once deal-stopping issues to peace have been de facto settled: Ukraine is now better armed than most NATO nations, but will not be in NATO; and no president has or will ever supply Ukraine with the armed wherewithal to take back the Donbass and Crimea. So, the only two issues are a) how far will Putin be willing to withdraw to his 2022 borders and b) how will he be deterred? The first is answered by a commercial sector/tripwire, joint Ukrainian-US-Europe resource development corridor in Eastern Ukraine, coupled with a Korea-like DMZ; the second by the fact that Putin unlike his 2008 and 2014 invasions has now lost a million dead and wounded to a Ukraine that will remain thusly armed.

5. What are Zelenskyy’s alternatives without much U.S. help—wait for a return of the Democrats to the White House in four years? Hope for a rearmed Europe? Pray for a Democratic House and a 3rd Vindman-like engineered Trump impeachment? Or swallow his pride, return to the White House, sign the rare-earth minerals deal, invite in the Euros (are they seriously willing to patrol a DMZ?), and hope Trump can warn Putin, as he did successfully between 2017-21, not to dare try it again?

6. If there is a cease fire, a commercial deal, a Euro ground presence, and influx of Western companies into Ukraine, would there be elections? And if so, would Zelenskyy and his party win? And if not, would there be a successor transparent government that would reveal exactly where all the Western financial aid money went?

7. Zelenskyy might see a model in Netanyahu. The Biden Administration was far harder on him than Trump is on Ukraine: suspending arms shipments, demanding cease-fires, prodding for a wartime, bipartisan cabinet, hammering Israel on collateral damage—none of which Westerners have demanded of Zelenskyy. Yet Netanyahu managed a hostile Biden, kept Israel close to its patron, and when visiting was gracious to his host. Netanyahu certainly would never before the global media have interrupted, and berated a host and patron president in the White House.

8. If Ukraine has alienated the U.S. what then is its strategic victory plan? Wait around for more Euros? Hold off an increasingly invigorated Russian military? Cede more territory? What, then, exactly are Zelenskyy’s cards he seems to think are a winning hand?

9. If one views carefully all the 50-minute tape, most of it was going quite well—until Zelenskyy started correcting Vance firstly, and Trump secondly. By Ukraine-splaining to his hosts, and by his gestures, tone, and interruptions, he made it clear that he assumed that Trump was just more of the same compliant, clueless moneybags Biden waxen effigy. And that was naïve for such a supposedly worldly leader.

10. March 2025 is not March 2022, after the heroic saving of Kyiv—but three years and 1.5 million dead and wounded later. Zelenskyy is no longer the international heartthrob with the glamorous entourage. He has postponed elections, outlawed opposition media and parties, suspended habeas corpus and walked out of negotiations when he had an even hand in Spring 2022 and apparently even now when he does not in Spring 2025.

Quo vadis, Volodymyr?
https://x.com/VDHanson/status/1895892571664343159

That's raving drug psychotic coke head moron to you, sir!

LOL!

https://t.me/tribunalsandexecutions/505046

clambo says

Trump was ranting nonsense and bullshit; Vance is a little twerp, I don't give a shit what he says about anything.

I otherwise support Trump for other things he does, but this time he was a clown and lived up to the media representation of him.

I would gladly send my $5 grand "Doge refund" to Ukraine to buy missiles to blast that maniac Putin to hell.

First of all what has russia done to you to cause you to hate Putin? And secondly, how much of your money have you sent Ukraine so far to arm ukraine?

Nothing. And I can’t stand the money to Ukraine. $71k in taxes so I have skin in the game.

Is there a good (short) primer on the Ukraine situation that anyone here can recommend? I've read that the US/Euro was involved in regime change around 2014. I sure can't get any details from Wikipedia about what happened then.

brazil66 says

Is there a good (short) primer on the Ukraine situation that anyone here can recommend?

Friday...

Is there a Dead Pool on when Z will be terminated by his Praetorians? Then, the mother ship that made him think he purloined the monies and has safe harbor and safe passage will simply re-absorb the assets.

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Patrick says

Ronde de Baphomet Catamite Satanic Ritual Abuse buttfuckers. Reliable DPD minions? Where's Justin Castro, or has he been ditched from the club?

"Be as intransigent, adamantly difficult and uncooperative, unreasonable, demanding, loud, insulting, strident and insufferable as possible. Maybe WWIII can still be salvaged. You can do that, can't you?"

Zelenski is a dumbass.

I saw a link yesterday asking if Zelensky already sold the rights to UK, but this Tweet from Caturd seems to confirm it.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

I am now bumping up the odds to 50-50 that the Zelensky thing was staged.

I think it's well over 50% likely that it was staged, especially because of how convenient it was for bumping the failure to release anything new about Epstein out of the news.