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Onvacation says

DeficitHawk says

The reason we lefties are worried

What are your thoughts on the lack of due process for the "January 6th insurrectionists"?

There was no lack of due process for them. They got trials. You just don't like the result.

DeficitHawk says

What are your thoughts on the lack of due process for the "January 6th insurrectionists"?

There was no lack of due process for them. They got trials. You just don't like the result.

What is due process though? A bunch were let into the Capitol and didn't touch a thing. That's due process?

That's why the term law fare now exists. Judges are no longer following the law themselves. This Maryland guy is law school 101. He enter illegally and we can remove him. That's the way it's always been. You take a low or middle class job from my citizen neighbor, goodbye. I have no sympathy for the guy. Due process is not his right.

WookieMan says

What is due process though?

All of them got trials. All of them had right to attorney. All of them were eligible to appeal etc... None of them were incarcerated in violation of a court order. None of them were deported to a prison in a foreign country where the prison keepers said they wont send them back even if asked by a court...

You are just conflating the notion that you don't like a court decision/sentence with "No due process."

I get it, you think those people didnt do anything wrong, so you dont agree with the sentences they got. That is NOT the same thing as being deprived of due process.... its just that you dont agree with the courts decision. Disagreeing with the court is NOT evidence of lack of due process.

Held for years without a trial. This article was two years ago.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/doj-j6-prisoners-locked-up-2-years-without-trial-meets-definition-of-a-speedy-trial/








https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/




https://thefederalist.com/2024/01/18/this-j6-defendant-spent-3-years-in-jail-for-what-the-supreme-court-might-say-isnt-a-crime/

https://headlineusa.com/show-trials-set-to-begin-for-j6-defendants/

https://headlineusa.com/show-trials-set-to-begin-for-j6-defendants/

https://trendsnewsline.com/2025/02/02/fbi-agent-dismissed-for-voicing-concerns-on-j6-due-process/

https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/21/npr-publishes-hit-piece-on-advocates-seeking-due-process-for-j6-detainees/

https://uncoverdc.com/2023/03/08/j6-defendants-victims-of-shameful-politicization-of-justice

DeficitHawk says

Disagreeing with the court is NOT evidence of lack of due process.

Citizens have the right to a speedy trial with a jury of their peers and if convicted should not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment. Footage that could have exonerated many defendants was withheld from their defense teams.

Due process is a legal principle that protects individual rights from arbitrary government actions. January 6th defendants were denied due process.

Your hero from El Salvador had several days in court and was sentenced to deportation.

WookieMan says

seems like a decent human.

Wookie, I do appreciate this comment. If we dont reach any consensus on this topic, we can at least acknowledge each others humanity. I'll call that progress. Its not very often the two sides can get that far even.

False equivalency and cognitive dissonance are the manna of the propaganda left. Nobody buys it anymore unless they are ne plus ultra gullible or just plain stupid or have some pony in the race or are paid off.

DeficitHawk says

WookieMan says
seems like a decent human.

Wookie, I do appreciate this comment. If we dont reach any consensus on this topic, we can at least acknowledge each others humanity. I'll call that progress. Its not very often the two sides can get that far even.

I 100% get your point. They're not allowed due process if they are here illegally. The conversation is over. Provide ID and the problem goes away. This guy didn't and couldn't. We're not going to see eye to eye, just telling you what the law is.

WookieMan says

just telling you what the law is.

You keep saying this but you're wrong... that's not what the law is.

"It is true that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law. The Japanese Immigrant Case, 189 U. S. 86, 189 U. S. 100-101 (1903); Wong Yang Sung v. McGrath, 339 U. S. 33, 339 U. S. 49-50 (1950); Kwong Hai Chew v. Colding, 344 U. S. 590, 344 U. S. 598 (1953)."

This quote is from Shaughnessy v. U.S. ex rel. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206 (1953) which does put limits on due process for immigrants who are in the process of entering, but not for people already here. There is an expedited removal process (IIRAIRA 1996) that limits due process for arriving and recently arrived (<2 years) immigrants, but it does not apply in this case because this person had been here for a long time. Also, these due process restrictions on arriving immigrants are just for deportation, not incarceration. This case is about incarceration.

Why do you think this guy isn't entitled due process? what case law are you referring to?

https://x.com/BillMelugin/status/1912654921196843357

DeficitHawk says

Why do you think this guy isn't entitled due process? what case law are you referring to?

He's part of a terrorist organization. I'm not gonna look it up for you. ICE and DOJ can toss the guy whenever they want. Trump is using law on the book, you're just eating up the media BS. Everything is above board and legal by sending him back to El Salvador.

This really shouldn't even be a discussion at this point. Citing the law and circumstances of this case is moot. Due process is not necessary. I think you know this.

DeficitHawk says

Onvacation says

DeficitHawk says

The reason we lefties are worried

What are your thoughts on the lack of due process for the "January 6th insurrectionists"?

There was no lack of due process for them. They got trials. You just don't like the result.

They got trials after years of rotting in the disgusting DC jail without a hearing, held virtually incommunicado, denied medical treatment. This violates about half of the Bill of Rights on its face.

DeficitHawk says

WookieMan says

What is due process though?

All of them got trials. All of them had right to attorney. All of them were eligible to appeal etc... None of them were incarcerated in violation of a court order. None of them were deported to a prison in a foreign country where the prison keepers said they wont send them back even if asked by a court...

Sounds like you need to quit smoking the Rachal Maddows. The J6 victims of political persecution got no due process, until adequate time had passed and the Kangaroo court was set up for them to fast track their lack of a fair trial.

If any of these Wetback illegal gang bangers were treated anything like the innocent persecuted J6 victims were treated, and put in the DC gulag, there would be hell to pay. The El Salvador prison is a Summer camp compared to what the persecuted J6 victims went through just for being manipulated and set up by Federal Workers and Capitol police to enter the Capitol building.

WookieMan says

Citing the law and circumstances of this case is moot. Due process is not necessary.

That is not true. People who are here are entitled due process, even if they came illegally. I agree the courts allow limits to due process for people in the process of arriving, and there is an expedited process for removal of arriving immigrants which limits the scope of hearings. But that does not mean immigrants don't get due process.

It is untrue that non citizens, legal or illegal are denied due process. Its not true. This guy is entitled due process.

What's going on right now is just Trump attempting to abuse a wartime power to suspend civil rights in peace time. (Alien Enemy Act). I hope you dont want to live in a world where the president has those powers, and I hope the supreme court puts a stop to it. (As of right now hey have... time will tell).

stereotomy says

They got trials after years of rotting in the disgusting DC jail without a hearing, held virtually incommunicado, denied medical treatment. This violates about half of the Bill of Rights on its face.

I dont know about this case, but I also think the J6 people are entitled due process. And they are entitled a speedy trial too. I've never said they shouldn't get all of their rights. I think they should.

Bill of rights applies to all. J6'ers and illegal immigrants, both.

DeficitHawk says

I dont know about this case

Then why are you commenting about something you "know nothing about?"

I'll give you the advice my toddler son gave me when we watched the silent film "The General" - READ.

stereotomy says

DeficitHawk says

I dont know about this case

Then why are you commenting about something you "know nothing about?"

I'll give you the advice my toddler son gave me when we watched the silent film "The General" - READ.

Its not the topic of this thread, but I'm responding to you, telling you I think J6'ers also are entitled to due process. So is the guy who is the topic of this thread.

You are highlighting this 'whatabout-ism' as if I have said J6'ers shouldn't get due process. I have never said that, and I don't believe it. But Some in this thread ARE saying this guy should NOT get due process. Its wrong.

Assertion fallacies are combined with false equivalencies and straw man theoretical diversions and cognitive dissonances and an inversion of the nature of due process (a right of citizens, not invaders) under the banner of virtue signaling do-goodism but goal oriented to the destruction and chaos of the social and legal systems.

Is the Liberal Disease of Delusion and Propaganda in a nutshell. The Soros paycheck is in the mail.

stereotomy says

They got trials after years of rotting in the disgusting DC jail without a hearing, held virtually incommunicado, denied medical treatment. This violates about half of the Bill of Rights on its face.

Right, not to mention that the "laws" applied to them were deliberately misused just for the purpose of getting a conviction, and that the whole J6 was a setup organized by Pelosi and the FBI, using goons like Ray Epps. This is why we're not allowed to see all the J6 video even now. More embarrassing things would emerge, like the video of the Buffalo Guy getting a nice tour, room to room, escorted by Capitol Police who obviously had no objection to his being there. Then he was arrested and imprisoned.

Pelosi needs to go to prison for life for orchestrating J6. Who opened the magnetic Capitol doors to invite in the true victims of J6? There should be records.

So, tell me, should this guy get due process or not?

Why or why not? If you are so up in arms about your perception that other peoples due process was infringed in the past, why would you come here, to a thread on this current-event topic, to argue in favor of denying due process to someone??

It doesnt make sense to me. I am not doing that. I've never said I think anyone should be denied due process. I am shocked that you are.

Thank you President Trump!

Because of you this man gets to spend Easter at home.

Criminal justice system, presumption of innocence, habeas corpus, due process: privilege of citizenship or lawful entry

Civil Law system, due process: privilege of citizenship or lawful entry

Administrative Law: fucked up, but still a privilege of citizenship or lawful entry

Illegal Invaders: military law, non uniformed combatants, no criminal or civil due process without proof of citizenship. No proof of citizenship or proof of legal entry means detainment, incarceration and return to point of origin. Criminal or paramilitary activities contrary to public order and safety are grounds for summary judgment and even execution.

Those who claim that illegal invaders have due process reserved for citizens: Cloward-Piven subversives who wish to bog the system down in a lawfare case by case process conferring false rights of citizenship on the illegal invaders under mistaken and illegal premises. The goal and intent is the destruction of the social fabric and the country.

The ONLY reason for the latter is subversion, no matter what the virtue signaling baloney handle or straw man false alarms.

A man sneaks on to a Private golf course. He plays 14 holes and then he gets caught by security. Security gives him a ride home.

He had no right to be there, so he has no right to appeal to the board. He could have asked the board for a guest membership BEFORE he came onto the course, but he didn’t.

That’s pretty much exactly what happened here.

DeficitHawk says

stereotomy says

DeficitHawk says

I dont know about this case

Then why are you commenting about something you "know nothing about?"

I'll give you the advice my toddler son gave me when we watched the silent film "The General" - READ.

Its not the topic of this thread, but I'm responding to you, telling you I think J6'ers also are entitled to due process. So is the guy who is the topic of this thread.

You are highlighting this 'whatabout-ism' as if I have said J6'ers shouldn't get due process. I have never said that, and I don't believe it. But Some in this thread ARE saying this guy should NOT get due process. Its wrong.

Where were you complaining about the lack of due process for the J6'rs for the PAST 4 YEARS? You pick and choose when to cry about civil liberties. Well I got news for you sunshine, I and other folks were bitching about those violations of civil liberties against US CITIZENS for years now. You resurface to complain about an illegal being denied "due process" when SEVERAL HUNDRED AMERICAN CITIZENS were entrapped by FBI/CIA plants, had the "impregnable" magnetic locks of the Capitol opened for them and were given a guided tour by the Capitol "police, " only to be shuffled off later to the DC Gulag without trial.

You remind me of someone I talked to about "2,000 Mules." He was adamant that it was a fraud. I said "OK., if the geofencing that they did in 2000 Mules is a scam, then you must acknowledge that the geofencing they used to identify the J6'rs was equally a fraud." He shut the fuck up after that.

That being said, may you have a happy Easter with your family.