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Where were you complaining about the lack of due process for the J6'rs for the PAST 4 YEARS? You pick and choose when to cry about civil liberties.
A man sneaks on to a Private golf course. He plays 14 holes and then he gets caught by security. Security gives him a ride home.
He had no right to be there, so he has no right to appeal to the board. He could have asked the board for a guest membership BEFORE he came onto the course, but he didn’t.
That’s pretty much exactly what happened here.
So, tell me, should this guy get due process or not?
He got his due process. The judge said he had to go home.
I got my due process and the court got my money. Technically, and legally, I broke the law.
stereotomy says
Where were you complaining about the lack of due process for the J6'rs for the PAST 4 YEARS? You pick and choose when to cry about civil liberties.
This^^^
This guy didn't get this. The judge ordered him NOT to be deported, and he was deported anyway.
Yup. I mean, that is the process. You get your say, the judge hears it, considers the law and decides. The consequences follow based on the judges order. In some circumstances an appeal to a higher court is possible, but in simple cases the higher court wont accept the appeal.
entered the U.S. without a valid entry document (such as a visa or border crosser card) or travel document (such as a passport).
Just like immigration can refuse and send packing back a person without a passport at the airport, with no judge, ICE can just deport people with no documentation.
He can appeal from El Salvador; Zoom is a thing.
I agree with something thing you said... ICE CAN turn away someone who is arriving/entering without due process. That HAS been decided in case law, and there is immigration reform law that expedites removal for arriving immigrants and limits due process for arriving immigrants. But they can NOT expel someone who has been here for a long time without due process... that is also established in case law. And they can also not deport someone in violation of a court order. This guy had been here many years, and had a court order against deportation. So what ICE did was NOT legal.
This is nowhere stated.
We also need a "No hearing or inspection, no process" law explicitly passed by Congress
Anyway, what's going on now is Trump is using a wartime alien enemies act in peace time.
you clearly support illegal immigration. I don't
I even wish legal immigration was banned
Anyway, what's going on now is Trump is using a wartime alien enemies act in peace time.
I think we should have legal immigration.
WookieMan says
I even wish legal immigration was banned
I totally disagree with you on this. I think we should have legal immigration. (and I think the lack of legal pathways is contributing to the problem of illegal immigration)
Let's see what the Courts say when there are actual hearings.
There was no lack of due process for them. They got trials. You just don't like the result.
I have no problem excluding people based on association with criminal gangs, or crimes committed while in USA or crimes committed in their country of origin. I WANT those people excluded, and if this guy is one of them, I WANT him excluded too. I just want there to be a hearing before sending people to the gulags.
Let the Supreme Court deploy it's divisions.
Oh come on now. Do you really want to encourage us to live in a country where checks and balances are abandoned? Courts disregarded? Laws and constitutions ignored? I can understand rhetoric... but do you really want this to be the country you live in? I dont want that.
Well, I dont agree. I dont want to abandon checks and balances. I dont want the courts ignored. I dont want the constitution abandoned. I dont want the country you are describing. Im not going to encourage it, and Im going to advocate against it.
Fuck the rule of law. I want revenge and victory.
Its going to be hard for you and I to see eye to eye.
DeficitHawk says
Its going to be hard for you and I to see eye to eye.
Get them to surrender unconditionally and I won't beat them with a tire iron as they deserve.
I won't be talked back into stupid principles they themselves don't believe in and violate every chance they get.
Who is "they"? do you mean me? People who believe in rule of law and the constitution?
Try me.
DeficitHawk says
Try me.
I searched your posts for J6ers, and found nothing prior to this recent conversation.
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El Salvador won’t return wrongly deported Maryland man
https://x.com/politico/status/1911819797651747093
Natch, he's an illegal alien with no residency, citizenship, or visa.
Bukele is keeping him in El Salvador, I heard he's actually in jail on El Salvadorian charges.