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2025 Apr 14, 2:16pm   5,600 views  406 comments

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Media Bias Continues


El Salvador won’t return wrongly deported Maryland man
https://x.com/politico/status/1911819797651747093

Natch, he's an illegal alien with no residency, citizenship, or visa.

Bukele is keeping him in El Salvador, I heard he's actually in jail on El Salvadorian charges.

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103   stereotomy   2025 Apr 20, 7:10am  

DeficitHawk says

Onvacation says


DeficitHawk says



The reason we lefties are worried

What are your thoughts on the lack of due process for the "January 6th insurrectionists"?


There was no lack of due process for them. They got trials. You just don't like the result.

They got trials after years of rotting in the disgusting DC jail without a hearing, held virtually incommunicado, denied medical treatment. This violates about half of the Bill of Rights on its face.
104   Tenpoundbass   2025 Apr 20, 7:37am  

DeficitHawk says

WookieMan says

What is due process though?

All of them got trials. All of them had right to attorney. All of them were eligible to appeal etc... None of them were incarcerated in violation of a court order. None of them were deported to a prison in a foreign country where the prison keepers said they wont send them back even if asked by a court...


Sounds like you need to quit smoking the Rachal Maddows. The J6 victims of political persecution got no due process, until adequate time had passed and the Kangaroo court was set up for them to fast track their lack of a fair trial.

If any of these Wetback illegal gang bangers were treated anything like the innocent persecuted J6 victims were treated, and put in the DC gulag, there would be hell to pay. The El Salvador prison is a Summer camp compared to what the persecuted J6 victims went through just for being manipulated and set up by Federal Workers and Capitol police to enter the Capitol building.
105   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 8:30am  

WookieMan says


Citing the law and circumstances of this case is moot. Due process is not necessary.

That is not true. People who are here are entitled due process, even if they came illegally. I agree the courts allow limits to due process for people in the process of arriving, and there is an expedited process for removal of arriving immigrants which limits the scope of hearings. But that does not mean immigrants don't get due process.

It is untrue that non citizens, legal or illegal are denied due process. Its not true. This guy is entitled due process.

What's going on right now is just Trump attempting to abuse a wartime power to suspend civil rights in peace time. (Alien Enemy Act). I hope you dont want to live in a world where the president has those powers, and I hope the supreme court puts a stop to it. (As of right now hey have... time will tell).
106   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 8:35am  

stereotomy says

They got trials after years of rotting in the disgusting DC jail without a hearing, held virtually incommunicado, denied medical treatment. This violates about half of the Bill of Rights on its face.

I dont know about this case, but I also think the J6 people are entitled due process. And they are entitled a speedy trial too. I've never said they shouldn't get all of their rights. I think they should.

Bill of rights applies to all. J6'ers and illegal immigrants, both.
107   stereotomy   2025 Apr 20, 11:04am  

DeficitHawk says

I dont know about this case

Then why are you commenting about something you "know nothing about?"

I'll give you the advice my toddler son gave me when we watched the silent film "The General" - READ.
108   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 11:19am  

stereotomy says

DeficitHawk says


I dont know about this case

Then why are you commenting about something you "know nothing about?"

I'll give you the advice my toddler son gave me when we watched the silent film "The General" - READ.

Its not the topic of this thread, but I'm responding to you, telling you I think J6'ers also are entitled to due process. So is the guy who is the topic of this thread.

You are highlighting this 'whatabout-ism' as if I have said J6'ers shouldn't get due process. I have never said that, and I don't believe it. But Some in this thread ARE saying this guy should NOT get due process. Its wrong.
109   Ceffer   2025 Apr 20, 11:34am  

Assertion fallacies are combined with false equivalencies and straw man theoretical diversions and cognitive dissonances and an inversion of the nature of due process (a right of citizens, not invaders) under the banner of virtue signaling do-goodism but goal oriented to the destruction and chaos of the social and legal systems.

Is the Liberal Disease of Delusion and Propaganda in a nutshell. The Soros paycheck is in the mail.
111   Patrick   2025 Apr 20, 11:43am  

stereotomy says


They got trials after years of rotting in the disgusting DC jail without a hearing, held virtually incommunicado, denied medical treatment. This violates about half of the Bill of Rights on its face.


Right, not to mention that the "laws" applied to them were deliberately misused just for the purpose of getting a conviction, and that the whole J6 was a setup organized by Pelosi and the FBI, using goons like Ray Epps. This is why we're not allowed to see all the J6 video even now. More embarrassing things would emerge, like the video of the Buffalo Guy getting a nice tour, room to room, escorted by Capitol Police who obviously had no objection to his being there. Then he was arrested and imprisoned.

Pelosi needs to go to prison for life for orchestrating J6. Who opened the magnetic Capitol doors to invite in the true victims of J6? There should be records.
112   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 11:56am  

So, tell me, should this guy get due process or not?

Why or why not? If you are so up in arms about your perception that other peoples due process was infringed in the past, why would you come here, to a thread on this current-event topic, to argue in favor of denying due process to someone??

It doesnt make sense to me. I am not doing that. I've never said I think anyone should be denied due process. I am shocked that you are.
115   Booger   2025 Apr 20, 3:12pm  

Thank you President Trump!

Because of you this man gets to spend Easter at home.


116   Ceffer   2025 Apr 20, 3:39pm  

Criminal justice system, presumption of innocence, habeas corpus, due process: privilege of citizenship or lawful entry

Civil Law system, due process: privilege of citizenship or lawful entry

Administrative Law: fucked up, but still a privilege of citizenship or lawful entry

Illegal Invaders: military law, non uniformed combatants, no criminal or civil due process without proof of citizenship. No proof of citizenship or proof of legal entry means detainment, incarceration and return to point of origin. Criminal or paramilitary activities contrary to public order and safety are grounds for summary judgment and even execution.

Those who claim that illegal invaders have due process reserved for citizens: Cloward-Piven subversives who wish to bog the system down in a lawfare case by case process conferring false rights of citizenship on the illegal invaders under mistaken and illegal premises. The goal and intent is the destruction of the social fabric and the country.

The ONLY reason for the latter is subversion, no matter what the virtue signaling baloney handle or straw man false alarms.
117   PeopleUnited   2025 Apr 20, 3:52pm  

A man sneaks on to a Private golf course. He plays 14 holes and then he gets caught by security. Security gives him a ride home.

He had no right to be there, so he has no right to appeal to the board. He could have asked the board for a guest membership BEFORE he came onto the course, but he didn’t.

That’s pretty much exactly what happened here.
118   stereotomy   2025 Apr 20, 4:22pm  

DeficitHawk says


stereotomy says


DeficitHawk says


I dont know about this case

Then why are you commenting about something you "know nothing about?"

I'll give you the advice my toddler son gave me when we watched the silent film "The General" - READ.


Its not the topic of this thread, but I'm responding to you, telling you I think J6'ers also are entitled to due process. So is the guy who is the topic of this thread.

You are highlighting this 'whatabout-ism' as if I have said J6'ers shouldn't get due process. I have never said that, and I don't believe it. But Some in this thread ARE saying this guy should NOT get due process. Its wrong.


Where were you complaining about the lack of due process for the J6'rs for the PAST 4 YEARS? You pick and choose when to cry about civil liberties. Well I got news for you sunshine, I and other folks were bitching about those violations of civil liberties against US CITIZENS for years now. You resurface to complain about an illegal being denied "due process" when SEVERAL HUNDRED AMERICAN CITIZENS were entrapped by FBI/CIA plants, had the "impregnable" magnetic locks of the Capitol opened for them and were given a guided tour by the Capitol "police, " only to be shuffled off later to the DC Gulag without trial.

You remind me of someone I talked to about "2,000 Mules." He was adamant that it was a fraud. I said "OK., if the geofencing that they did in 2000 Mules is a scam, then you must acknowledge that the geofencing they used to identify the J6'rs was equally a fraud." He shut the fuck up after that.

That being said, may you have a happy Easter with your family.
119   PeopleUnited   2025 Apr 20, 4:25pm  

stereotomy says


Where were you complaining about the lack of due process for the J6'rs for the PAST 4 YEARS? You pick and choose when to cry about civil liberties.


This^^^

Some here are clearly not arguing in good faith. Just parroting Rachel Maddox and MSDNC’s Marxist obstructionist talking points. If the liberals have their way they might as well live in El Salvador, the place this guy wanted to escape from, or Cuba or better yet China which is the end game for the Marxist ideology.
120   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Apr 20, 4:29pm  

PeopleUnited says

A man sneaks on to a Private golf course. He plays 14 holes and then he gets caught by security. Security gives him a ride home.

He had no right to be there, so he has no right to appeal to the board. He could have asked the board for a guest membership BEFORE he came onto the course, but he didn’t.

That’s pretty much exactly what happened here.

Excellent allegory.
121   Onvacation   2025 Apr 20, 4:43pm  

DeficitHawk says

So, tell me, should this guy get due process or not?

He got his due process. The judge said he had to go home.

What does due process mean to you?
122   Onvacation   2025 Apr 20, 4:55pm  

I once plead not guilty to a camera right turn violation. I spent an hour of the courts time arguing why I should not be fined for safely rolling through a red light on a right hand turn on to the highway when no one was around to see it but a revenue generating camera.

After I had my say, the judge asked me, "Do you have anything else to say?"

I replied, "No."

He slammed down his gavel and pronounced, "GUILTY!, That took a lot longer than it should have!"

I got my due process and the court got my money. Technically, and legally, I broke the law.

The "Maryland Man" from El Salvador had his time in court and now he is back home where he should be.
123   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 6:37pm  

Onvacation says


He got his due process. The judge said he had to go home.

What judge said this?

What does due process mean? it just means the right to bring your facts/case before a judge and have your case be heard and decided on by a judge rather than the person who accused/arrested you. Its really basic. For this guy, it would just mean having his immigration and refugee status facts voiced before a judge, and a decision by the judge whether to deport or not. IF the judge orders deportation after that hearing, that satisfies my view of due process, and deportation can proceed.
124   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 6:47pm  

Onvacation says


I got my due process and the court got my money. Technically, and legally, I broke the law.

Yup. I mean, that is the process. You get your say, the judge hears it, considers the law and decides. The consequences follow based on the judges order. In some circumstances an appeal to a higher court is possible, but in simple cases the higher court wont accept the appeal.

This guy didn't get this. The judge ordered him NOT to be deported, and he was deported anyway.
125   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 6:49pm  

PeopleUnited says

stereotomy says

Where were you complaining about the lack of due process for the J6'rs for the PAST 4 YEARS? You pick and choose when to cry about civil liberties.

This^^^


I was not too worried that the patnet crowd would have trouble finding voices to advocate for the J6'ers... But even still, I was NOT here advocating to take away the bill of rights protections from the J6'ers.
126   Ceffer   2025 Apr 20, 7:43pm  

Boy, I'd like to see this guy's Epstein Island blackmail tapes. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, especially in a so called elected representative (or sociopathic Soros toilet installation).

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/90737
127   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Apr 20, 7:44pm  

DeficitHawk says


This guy didn't get this. The judge ordered him NOT to be deported, and he was deported anyway.

Too expensive. He's not a citizen, not an overstay, never had any kind of authorization.

Just like immigration can refuse and send packing back a person without a passport at the airport, with no judge, ICE can just deport people with no documentation.

He can appeal from El Salvador; Zoom is a thing.
128   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Apr 20, 7:50pm  

Some other priorities:

* Not allowing investor visas in the same family without a 14-year gap. Uncle Raj can not buy the hotel, sell it to cousin Vijay 7 years later, and then Vijay gets 7 years of preferred treatment and a visa.

* Students Visa holders cannot bring a spouse or family member. Colleges and Universities are required to
A) Colleges must sponsor ALL students (they must have an acceptance letter and ON-CAMPUS only housing guarantee)
B) give quarterly updates with current, physically verified (The student appeared at the school office or visited in his dormitory) location and status.
C) Bachelor students may not stay more than 77 months. Masters 25 months. PhDs 49 months.
D) Upon issuance of a degree, there are 30 days to leave the USA.
E) Students MUST stay in University housing, no private off-campus housing, and as university property, their rooms are subject to inspection on demand by ICE as a condition of the visa.
F) Student Visa holders and the University must report ALL political activities to the FBI. This includes any membership in "Students Against Whiteness" or "RU hating Colonialism?" or "UMinn Mankato Democratic Socialists"

* H1Bs may only work in the field for which the H1B was issued
A) H1Bs must be issued by the final employer, not a temp or work agency. The H1B must work directly on the employer's premises for the employer, paid by the employer who sponsored the visa, with no subcontracting allowed (FU Tata!).
B) H1Bs may only work in the BLS-listed industry for which they originally were hired for. That means no working for Uncle Vijay's Motel if Raj is let go from Boeing.
C) H1Bs may not bring spouses, children, immediate or extended family members.
D) No H1B may be renewed for over 2 years.
129   Fortwaye   2025 Apr 20, 7:56pm  

argued with a man in parking lot over it. he was a democrat strongly convinced Trump is deporting US citizens
130   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Apr 20, 8:01pm  

DeficitHawk says


Yup. I mean, that is the process. You get your say, the judge hears it, considers the law and decides. The consequences follow based on the judges order. In some circumstances an appeal to a higher court is possible, but in simple cases the higher court wont accept the appeal.

There is no due process for those without any documentation:


entered the U.S. without a valid entry document (such as a visa or border crosser card) or travel document (such as a passport).

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-expedited-removal-allows-deportation-without-hearing.html

So "Maryland Man" (sic) can simply be deported. Congress and Executive agree; the Judiciary is not - as much propaganda has pushed - the superior branch, but merely a co-equal one.

Obviously this is the case as the BP and Airport Immigration and Customs couldn't turn away aliens without documents.
131   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 8:05pm  

AmericanKulak says


Just like immigration can refuse and send packing back a person without a passport at the airport, with no judge, ICE can just deport people with no documentation.

I agree with something thing you said... ICE CAN turn away someone who is arriving/entering without due process. That HAS been decided in case law, and there is immigration reform law that expedites removal for arriving immigrants and limits due process for arriving immigrants. But they can NOT expel someone who has been here for a long time without due process... that is also established in case law. And they can also not deport someone in violation of a court order. This guy had been here many years, and had a court order against deportation. So what ICE did was NOT legal.

AmericanKulak says


He can appeal from El Salvador; Zoom is a thing.

In principle, I agree that remote methods, and enabling appeals from outside the country after deportation rather than delaying deportation are a reasonable way to maintain due process while expediting the process. BUT in this case, he was put in prison at the request of our government in a country who will not send him back even if a court orders it (which was also probably requested by our administration.) So how can he appeal if there is no way he can get back should his appeal succeed? He can NOT appeal in this case.

Remote appeals after deportation instead of delayed deportation is absolutely a reasonable way to manage expedited removal process.... but such an opportunity is denied to this person in this case. (on purpose by our administration).

As far as the rest of your list... thats all a matter of immigration laws. Congress can write whatever laws they want on these things.. thats kind of besides the point of this thread.. But the administration needs to comply with the laws we have, and can not circumvent the constitution while enforcing them.
132   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Apr 20, 8:07pm  

DeficitHawk says


I agree with something thing you said... ICE CAN turn away someone who is arriving/entering without due process. That HAS been decided in case law, and there is immigration reform law that expedites removal for arriving immigrants and limits due process for arriving immigrants. But they can NOT expel someone who has been here for a long time without due process... that is also established in case law. And they can also not deport someone in violation of a court order. This guy had been here many years, and had a court order against deportation. So what ICE did was NOT legal.

This is nowhere stated.

Additionally, as an MS13 member, the Enemy Alien Act (as amended) applies.

Again, due process can be given from El Salvador via Zoom.
133   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Apr 20, 8:09pm  

We also need a "No hearing or inspection, no process" law explicitly passed by Congress.

If you didn't need a judge or ANY federal officer to clear you, you don't need a judge to boot you.

Otherwise it unfairly privileges pro-immigration and illegals. We have millions to deport.

As a last resort, Congress can simply create 10,000 immigration judges appointed by Trump, which would be great. They would shift boundaries regularly to confound the ACLU and Immigrant Justice and the Jesuits

A deportation Rocket Docket, this time used against the top 1% that wants cheap labor uber alles.
134   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Apr 20, 8:14pm  

Finally, Trump's IRS needs to carefully examine Jesuit Refugee Service, LARS, Catholic Charities, Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, etc. and make sure all their payments are in keeping with every law. Additionally, consider directing them as political activist groups not subject to tax exempt status.

And consider an illegal employer whistleblower act that gives a green card to those who report their employers.
135   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Apr 20, 8:28pm  

OH, and make Charities mandatory reporters for illegals to be tax exempt.
136   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 9:07pm  

AmericanKulak says

This is nowhere stated.

What do you mean? I outlined the case law for this in my comments above... "It is true that aliens who have once passed through our
gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness-encompassed in due process of law." The Japanese Immigrant Case, 189 U. S. 86, 100-101 (1903); Wong Yang Sung v. McGrath, 339 U. S. 33, 49-50 (1950); Kwong Hai Chew v. Colding, 344 U. S. 590, 598 (1953).

And the cases that restrict due process for arriving immigrants "on the threshold of initial entry".... Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953) and the 1996 immigration reform law that provides for expedited removal of arriving immigrants (which can also included recently arrived in some cases up to 2 years per supreme court depending on details). Everything i am saying is stated in law and supreme court cases.

Anyway, what's going on now is Trump is using a wartime alien enemies act in peace time. The last time we used this law was to intern Japanese people in WW2. I hope the supreme court puts an end to this. (They have, for now... time will tell how that turns out).
137   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 9:10pm  

AmericanKulak says

We also need a "No hearing or inspection, no process" law explicitly passed by Congress

You cant make laws that violate the constitution though. Supreme court will (and should) invalidate them.

We need to make laws that maintain due process while expediting procedures. Supreme court HAS given guidance that due process is restricted for arriving immigrants, so less procedures are needed for them. But immigrants who have been here, they need due process and congress can not override that with a law.
138   WookieMan   2025 Apr 20, 9:17pm  

DeficitHawk says

Anyway, what's going on now is Trump is using a wartime alien enemies act in peace time.

What is peaceful about illegally entering a country as part of a gang? He's using an act at his disposal to get the guy out of here.

Regardless of all the back and forth, you clearly support illegal immigration. I don't. There are plenty of prosperous countries on the planet that might let you in. I have kids. I'm not okay with it. I even wish legal immigration was banned and we stopped the work visas.

I don't care about refugees either. You didn't do anything in your own country. You live with sitting on your ass and doing nothing about it. Running isn't the solution because you'll end up a burden on our country. It's a lose lose proposition for Americans.
139   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 9:20pm  

WookieMan says

you clearly support illegal immigration. I don't


I dont support illegal immigration. I do support maintaining due process as we deal with it. That's our difference. You are taking 'the ends justify the means, we can disregard the constitution and our laws to deal with a problem" approach. I dont think thats OK>
140   DeficitHawk   2025 Apr 20, 9:23pm  

WookieMan says


I even wish legal immigration was banned

I totally disagree with you on this. I think we should have legal immigration. (and I think the lack of legal pathways is contributing to the problem of illegal immigration)

Edit: Actually, I really dont understand your position on Legal immigration, especially in the context of Trump's OTHER major controversy... attempting to re-industrialize USA and do manufacturing here by imposing tariffs on imports. How can we hope to re-industrialize and grow manufacturing without a labor force to do it? I guess I am digressing, this is a separate topic from the title of this thread.
141   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Apr 20, 9:26pm  

DeficitHawk says


Anyway, what's going on now is Trump is using a wartime alien enemies act in peace time.


Well, there's good arguments that gang members and law breakers - which Maryland man obviously was, being covered in MS13 tats, and former membership in an enemy or seditious or criminal group is disqualifying (as SCOTUS determined in Harisiades 1952) .

Let's see what the Courts say when there are actual hearings. Until then they can have a date scheduled by Zoom from El Salvador or Honduras.
142   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 Apr 20, 9:34pm  

DeficitHawk says


I think we should have legal immigration.

At about 200k a year, which is mighty generous, and diversified by law - that once one country of origin gets to be more than 5% of the total 200k, further migration from that country ends for the year. We have a housing affordability and shitty salary problem. Let's remember in the Golden 50s and 60s immigration was minimal compared to today. America First.

But the hypermassive extreme immigration is going to stop, illegal AND legal. The last time we had immigration this massive in the 1920s, GDP was growing at 8% a year and a new tool and die plant opening on every block. That's not the case today.

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