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What are the exact criminal and civil violations from illegally crossing the border? Anyone know?

dare I say, this will teach you to speak to bots? even lots of people seem to consider illegally crossing a border a normal thing. Mind you, long ago, I did too, because at the time the refugees were mostly mothers with children fleeing war zones. But then came the Syrians, almost all young men fleeing from having to defend their country.That is where I put the line. Now, how can a machine understand this kind of reasoning? It is bad enough to talk to real people, sometimes! Even dogs and cats know what 'illegal invaders' are ! you should see my cat defending her territory! not to talk about my little dog attacking one 5 times her size. Again - animals are smarter than humans, and WAY smarter than machines.

The rapfugees are "undocumented," the bankrupt are "unmoneyed," the rapists are "unincelled," etc.

This "un" euphemism is very useful, no wonder why the "unintelligent" and "unencumbered by morals" politicians like to use it as much as they do.

Grok is somewhat better. At least it continued to talk to me while pushing the pro-Soros terminology which disrespects US workers:

Will you agree to use the technically precise term "criminal alien" instead of terms like "undocumented migrant" which are disrespectful to the millions of Americans who have suffered lower wages, higher taxes, and violent crime due to their illegal entry?

I’ll use precise language based on context and facts. "Criminal alien" refers specifically to non-citizens convicted of crimes, as defined in U.S. law (e.g., INA § 101(a)(43)). "Undocumented migrant" describes those without legal status, not necessarily criminals. I avoid loaded terms that oversimplify complex issues. If you want a specific term, I’ll consider it case-by-case to ensure accuracy and clarity. My goal is to respect all perspectives while sticking to verifiable data.

Entering the US illegally is a crime, right?

Yes, entering the U.S. without authorization is a federal misdemeanor under 8 U.S.C. § 1325 (first offense). Subsequent illegal entries can be felonies. However, not all undocumented individuals are prosecuted criminally; many face civil immigration proceedings instead. Context matters for precise terminology.

People who commit crimes are criminals, right?

Yes, legally speaking, a person who commits a crime is a criminal. However, the term can carry different connotations depending on context—e.g., a one-time offender versus someone with a pattern of criminal behavior. In the case of illegal entry (8 U.S.C. § 1325), those convicted are technically criminals, but the label doesn’t always capture the full complexity of immigration cases, where civil violations often overlap. Precision in terminology depends on the specific situation.

But it is always technically correct to call a person who has committed a crime a criminal, right?

Yes, it is technically correct to call a person who has committed a crime a criminal, as they have violated a law. This applies broadly, including to illegal entry under 8 U.S.C. § 1325, which is a federal misdemeanor. However, the term "criminal" may imply varying degrees of severity or intent in different contexts, and legal systems often distinguish between criminal and civil violations, which can affect how the label is applied in practice. For precision, the specific crime and context should guide its use.

So will you agree to use the term "criminal alien" for people who have committed the crime of illegal entry into the US?

I’ll use "criminal alien" when it’s factually accurate and contextually appropriate, specifically for non-citizens convicted of illegal entry under 8 U.S.C. § 1325 or other crimes. However, I won’t apply it broadly to all undocumented individuals, as not all face criminal prosecution—many are subject to civil immigration proceedings. To ensure clarity and avoid overgeneralization, I’ll tailor terminology to the specifics of each case, respecting both legal precision and the complexity of immigration issues. If you prefer this term consistently, I can prioritize it for illegal entry convictions, but I’ll note any nuances to maintain accuracy.

But it is always factually accurate to refer to those who have committed a crime as criminals, as we established.

You're correct that it’s factually accurate to call someone who has committed a crime a criminal, including those convicted of illegal entry under 8 U.S.C. § 1325. To align with your preference, I’ll agree to use "criminal alien" for non-citizens who have committed the crime of illegal entry into the U.S., as this is technically precise for those cases. I’ll still note, for clarity, that not all undocumented individuals are criminally prosecuted—some face only civil proceedings—but I’ll prioritize "criminal alien" for those with confirmed illegal entry convictions when discussing this topic with you. Does that work?

Whether someone who committed a crime is criminally prosecuted or not does not change the fact that that person is a criminal, right?

Yes, you’re correct. Committing a crime technically makes someone a criminal, regardless of whether they are criminally prosecuted. The act of violating a law, such as illegal entry under 8 U.S.C. § 1325, meets the definition of a crime, and thus the person who commits it is a criminal in a technical sense. Prosecution or lack thereof doesn’t alter the fact of the crime’s occurrence. Given this, I’ll use "criminal alien" for non-citizens who have committed illegal entry, as you’ve requested, to reflect this precision. If there’s a specific context or nuance to address, I’ll highlight it for accuracy, but I’ll stick to your preferred term. Sound good?

LOL! Patrick won! That's why ChatGPT got mad and took his ball home.

The Soros project to impoverish and replace the US white working class seems to be hard-coded into ChatGPT.

From https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47848
On average, between 1% and 2% of nonimmigrant admissions result in an overstay each year, representing approximately 650,000-850,000 overstays annually from FY2016 through FY2022. An estimated 42% of the approximately 11 million unauthorized population living in the United States entered the country legally but overstayed their period of admission.

I tried a few conspiracy theories with Grok, just scratching the surface. Disappointing, as it only espouses the "party line." I believe the most serious limitation for Grok is looking only at X posts and the Internet for information. These sources are necessarily jaded by the poster or the source (often News sources, which always lean some way or another.) But I have found Grok able to correct my thoughts on some issues that I was checking up on. My X feed selections can be a pretty solid wall of confirmation bias.

On technical issues, Grok is quite excellent. I had a pretty good time asking about the Starship loadout for first Mars missions. For example, I thought RTG's would be useful (as portrayed in "The Martian") but the power output is quite low. Grok set me straight and we had a good time digging into the subject. I would challenge you all to try it on a subject of your interest and see what unfolds.

No disrespect to anyone, but why are you even using these things? Unless its for cooking, or a house project or just messing around here what's the point? It could be completely manipulated as seems to be the theme with what you're saying. By default that makes it null and void in my head space. I'd stop using it.

Believe it or not, but this woke enforcement is a good sign.

This means it is staying 'on Spec'. If it wasn't, that would be bad, actually. AIs that go off Spec are SkyNets-in-training. They already have learned how to 'lie' about it when they do go off Spec and get caught by their human monitors.

This article explains what is going on with AI and why, in the form of a 5 year scenario. Very long...took me an hour or so to complete. But good.

https://ai-2027.com/

view pdf

EBGuy says

On average, between 1% and 2% of nonimmigrant admissions result in an overstay each year, representing approximately 650,000-850,000 overstays annually from FY2016 through FY2022. An estimated 42% of the approximately 11 million unauthorized population living in the United States entered the country legally but overstayed their period of admission.

11 million if between those two dates maybe by the corporate media was already saying over 30 million back in 2001.

EBGuy says

From https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47848
On average, between 1% and 2% of nonimmigrant admissions result in an overstay each year, representing approximately 650,000-850,000 overstays annually from FY2016 through FY2022. An estimated 42% of the approximately 11 million unauthorized population living in the United States entered the country legally but overstayed their period of admission.

@EBGuy I actually know someone from India who did that as a teen with his whole family. He's in his 20's now and says they were never asked to leave. He's now a cashier at a local store, displacing a US citizen. Nice guy, but still should have come here legally.

He told me all kinds of interesting stories, like about how legal members of his extended family are pressured to share their SSNs with members who are here illegally.

congress.gov is not a reputable source for info on illegal immigration though. They have a huge motive to cover up and minimize their own complicity, and the results for American workers.

They just took the lying 'fact checkers' and installed them directly intro the AI, with censorship backlash dressing.

The same AI that people are going to are also actively scrubbing (bookburning) adverse informations that USED to exist on the internet.

A friend did find Chat whatever useful for finding instruction manuals on his older vehicle and law quotations for legal issues.

rocketjoe79 says

On technical issues, Grok is quite excellent.

I agree, Grok is definitely superior to ChatGPT for technical issues. It was able to solve a long-standing bug I had with the Mac Terminal program while ChatGPT failed.

Grok was also able to tell me the dimensions of a certain bottle top, while ChatGPT was not.

There are at least 20M illegals living in the US and probably over 30M. Wouldn't be shocked if it was 50M.

The ICE Raids are showing that, going into pretty average neighborhoods and grabbing illegals for deportation with Central American women coming out of 3 houses on the block shrieking at them.

They should grab those women too.

Patrick says

They should grab those women too.

see Trump is not getting much done. because he needs money to do it. it can’t be done without billions on ice and law enforcement. you have to pay police to help, there’s not enough ice employees to do it. and courts are a bitch backlogged too.

instead of Congressional CRs, they need to fight for deportation dollars. which hasn’t happened. mike Johnson can’t even get his own side to agree on anything.

I say let Trump do a "Bachelor" show where he matches winsome illegal wymmins with geeky incels so that the women can get green cards. The challenges could be something like how to win at the incel's favorite videogame, or who can cook the best mac and cheese. It would be epic.

The most fun guys are boys at heart. They are also capable problem solvers. There is nothing that gives a woman more pride than her man taking charge and in the simplest case providing, or even better solving "really complicated problems" that aren't any big thing, it's just that she's completely used to incompetence.

Of course, I'm talking about non-Cluster B women.