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Patrick says

Has any truly powerful person ever been arrested in the US?

Yes, Trump has been arrested.

The better question is has any powerful person in the US done time in jail?

I don't think it's disappointing.

Because of the media and corrupt judges, every t must be crossed and every i dotted. Trump's legal/enforcement team has barely organized their offices and reviewed current cases, having only cleared the appointments back in Feb-March and hiring of underlings and purging of Biden/Obama era holdovers is far from complete. Again, every i must be dotted given the judicial activism, the least technicality will not be glossed over.

Anti-Trump forces have basically depreciated the tactic of trying to unseat Trump from the left. They are now funding grifters on the alleged right to demoralize MAGA. It's all the same people who took $1000 from the Soda Industry to tweet out in defense of EBT cards covering the purchase of sugary carbonated beverages a few weeks back.

it is a show game. they discovered all these social security frauds. has anything happened yet? how many have been arrested? will they move up the ladder or will they stay down, and arrest the common man? most probably so. I can hardly imagine the Clintons in prison, or all the others that we have already seen standing next to Epstein and his consort. Can you imagine prince Andrew in prison? or God forbid, king Charles? ah but he is too sick to do prison time. And the English keep adoring their royal house. Or course, if you arrest the common man a finger pointing is mostly enough. but who is to arrest all the high ups? Even Whoopi Goldberg is unimaginable. We only can hope they chose the Rosie path and flee to Ireland or the UK.

FUCKING E.P S.T.E.I.N. FUCKING FILES! FUCKING BONDI, lieing cunt.

Ingrid says

it is a show game. they discovered all these social security frauds. has anything happened yet? how many have been arrested?

How long have the appointees been confirmed? How long have they had?

You know that just about every Federal Judge is hunting for an excuse to reinstate a fired Bidenite or deny a Trump action, the least technicality will not be overlooked. The Deep State will grasp at any straw to stop Trump. So everything - literally everything - this Admin does from employment to policy has to be absolutely perfect and airtight. And even then it's no guarantee they won't find some obscure or frivolous BS reason to delay and deny things.

That doesn't happen in a few weeks.

"Trump's appointees were appointed in March, it's the end of April, where's the beef?"

There's a agitprop demoralization campaign going on.

If the Deep State is smart and desperate enough to use lawfare, impeach twice, subject every decision to injunction instantly, etc. they are also smart enough to try to suborn the grifters and influencers. Right now we have "Libertarians" preferring a tax on productive efforts (income tax) rather than an avoidable, explicitly originally constitutional tax on consumption of foreign goods. Playing purity games and ignoring $36T deficits but only from the tariff side. "I wish we didn't have either" while ignoring the $36T in debt and saying "Well we should have never gotten it" is purity-perfectionism. The debt is there and couldashouldawoulda isn't a solution. Nor is implying most of that is from Trump.

But their dishonesty is purposeful, to undermine while playing the Principled card. Just like RINOs do on "Rule of Law" and "Due Process" and "Norms" ignoring that the Dems break them early and often but demanding Trump fight clean at all times.

You can avoid tariffs voluntarily; there's no way to get out of paying income tax.

Come back to me at the end of the year.

AmericanKulak says

there's no way to get out of paying income tax.

Actually, about 50% of Americans have figured out to avoid federal income tax, and some even get EIC. Your point is still valid though.

I have to rely on faith that Trump does what he can to fulfill his campaign promises, unlike any other politician of the past 35 years at least who are just hot air and lies to get into power.

Pundits are still promising arrests, but as Kulak says, it is an intricate, grinding and delicate legal process because Trump et alia want it to remain as much in the boundaries of propriety and valid legal process as possible, a mandate ignored by the corrupt Dems and Soros judge fecal implants who are chosen for perversion and stupidity but corrupt obedience, not legal talent or even concern for legalities.

There is so much pent up rage, it is tempting to go the summary rope and the guillotine route, but that would be feeding into the negative energy that the dracos want to impose on us and would be a form of success for them.

https://www.kunstler.com/p/whats-normal-exactly

Many of you have been pouting over the lack of criminal prosecutions these first hundred days. Why is AG Ms. Bondi preening on Fox News when she should be banging-out subpoenas and arrest warrants, you ask? And what broom-closet is Dan Bongino hiding in over at the Hoover Building? How is Hillary Clinton still at-large in the land? Does Alejandro Mayorkas still make his Saturday excursions to the boutiques along M Street? Looks like the months of May and June are setting up to be the season of shocks and consequence. ...

An ominous silence surrounds the promised release of the Epstein case material, whatever it consists of: depositions, flight logs, photographs, video recordings of prominent people in compromising situations. Remember, not long after inauguration day, the FBI’s New York field office was found to be sitting on a huge trove of previously hidden Epstein case evidence. The DOJ swiftly “retired” the chief agent of the office, James Dennehy, who additionally had failed to cooperate with requests to disclose the names of agents involved in the Jan-6 investigations. Supposedly, since the discovery of the Epstein trove, a thousand agents were assigned to “process” it, redact the names of the innocent victims, so they say. Are the close to finishing?

Speaking of the J-6, 2021 matter, pressure is building for the Republican majority Congress to hold hearings on exactly what went on that fateful day. FBI Director Patel has yet to disclose how many government agents (not just FBI), and how many “confidential human sources” (i.e., provocateurs), were in the crowd around and inside the US Capitol. It’s getting to be past time to ask Mr. Patel for a straight answer on that in an official proceeding, and continue from there to related business, such as Nancy Pelosi’s failure to reinforce the Capitol Police with National Guard troops that day, and the strange doings around the DNC pipe bomb ploy few blocks away. Personally, I doubt that Mr. Patel is inclined to lie or dissemble about all that. But the natives are getting a little restless.

I'd like to believe that "May and June are setting up to be the season of shocks and consequence" but I can't.

Every arrest leads to a scattering of the rats in panic. So, before arrests they have to consider that they need as many as possible as quickly as possible and without broadcasting time, place or intention. Then, they have to have the escape hatches plugged as well. They don't want to be chasing them all over the world with their secret bank accounts and non-extraditable countries.

I know that in the days when I was on a professional committee, the investigative authorities never made an appearance until the investigation was completely assured and in the can. The targets never knew they were being investigated until a team pushed open their doors and took them out in handcuffs. Everybody has seen the movies of 'raids' where a big team comes in and takes everybody out and seizes accounts and computers before the perps can run or erase. There are already Guv agencies destroying evidence actively. We saw that the Clinton Rockefeller cousins Bill and IHLlary blew up the Whitewater evidence against them in Oklahoma and false flagged patsies.

One has to have patience that they are doing some job and that it will unwind in time. Faith and hopium are not great compensations when you want to see the heads of the guilty rolling off the guillotines, but there does not seem to be much alternative.

Misc says

Patrick says

Has any truly powerful person ever been arrested in the US?

Yes, Trump has been arrested.

The better question is has any powerful person in the US done time in jail?

only Bernie… for stealing from people way more wealthy than him

@Fortwaye

Took me a minute to figure out you meant Bernie Madoff and not Bernie Sanders.

Yes, Madoff got away with his scam for years because his victims all knew it was a scam, but they just couldn't believe he would scam them. They were all fine with scamming others though.

Patrick says

Fortwaye

Took me a minute to figure out you meant Bernie Madoff and not Bernie Sanders.

Yes, Madoff got away with his scam for years because his victims all knew it was a scam, but they just couldn't believe he would scam them. They were all fine with scamming others though.

Yes indeed, the Jews who invested with Madoff were shocked. SHOCKED that he would defraud them as well as the goys.

Patrick says

Fortwaye

Took me a minute to figure out you meant Bernie Madoff and not Bernie Sanders.

Yes, Madoff got away with his scam for years because his victims all knew it was a scam, but they just couldn't believe he would scam them. They were all fine with scamming others though.

right, i should have been more clear. that’s on me. cynical, but true… stealing from rich is punished. stealing from poor and middle class is rewarded.

I didn't want to put it that way, but yes, I think that his victims were largely Jewish, and they thought he was just skimming off the market in general somehow.

They assumed they could trust him. Some of them were apparently very pissed off when they found out it was just a Ponzi scheme:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2009/10/26/madoff-associate-had-heart-attack-drowned-in-pool/

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — An autopsy shows an associate of jailed financial manager Bernard Madoff had a heart attack and drowned while swimming in the pool at his Palm Beach mansion.

Sixty-seven-year-old Jeffry Picower was found at about noon Sunday by his wife, Barbara, at the bottom of the pool. She pulled him from the water with help from a housekeeper. ...

Picower had been accused by Madoff investors of being the biggest beneficiary of Madoff’s schemes. In a lawsuit to recover Madoff’s assets, trustee Irving Picard demanded Picower return more than $7 billion in bogus profits.

Patrick says

I didn't want to put it that way, but yes, I think that his victims were largely Jewish, and they thought he was just skimming off the market in general somehow.

Hell, I almost married a Jew. I'm just saying that when it comes to certain areas, like finance, Jews think they have the equivalent of a pussy pass (aka freedom from consequences or observing "caveat emptor").

I think the crown of regular and routine religious fraudsters preying on their own goes to the Mormons, who defraud and Ponzi their own members more than any other group. They tie in their 'religious pre-destiny' with the notion of 'abundant returns guaranteed by God' rhetoric, which tends to be true of many religions, and certainly the huckster evangelical Christian ones.

Patrick says

I didn't want to put it that way, but yes, I think that his victims were largely Jewish, and they thought he was just skimming off the market in general somehow.

He told everybody he had excellent research and a sort of market timing strategy that nobody else had.

Sure, that's what he told them, but it was widely understood that his returns were impossible without some kind of fraud.

There was some Greek guy in Boston screaming about it for years.

Patrick says

Sure, that's what he told them, but it was widely understood that his returns were impossible without some kind of fraud.

There was some Greek guy in Boston screaming about it for years.

a thing about all that is that it’s easier to scam a greedy person then not greedy. they chose to believe him knowing his returns were unrealistic. most scammers appeal to greed, even the nigerian prince.

there by grace of god so go I

Patrick says

Sure, that's what he told them, but it was widely understood that his returns were impossible without some kind of fraud.

There was some Greek guy in Boston screaming about it for years.

Multiple overseas banks and analysts thought he was front running

https://www.businessinsider.com/2008/12/the-scam-everyone-thought-madoff-was-running

The Scam Everyone Thought Madoff Was Running

Lots of Bernie Madoff's investors, including institutional investors and banks, thought Madoff Securities was running a scam--they just didn't realize he was scamming them.

The scam everyone thought he was running was basically having his hedge fund operation front-run the trades from his electronic market making operation. As the saying goes, you can't cheat an honest man...but cheating those who are dishonest is all too easy.

The Financial Times today describes how one Swiss bank thought Madoff had an "edge" because of his market making business:

... “The perceived edge was Madoff’s ability to gather and process market-order flow information and use this information to time the implementation of the split-strike options strategy.”

Yes, they seemed to have thought he was front-running, which is illegal.