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Another "EXPERT" - Douglas MacGregor - determined that the US could not take on Iran - just a few months ago on Tuqar Chatsworth-Qarlsoon.


What would you say the relative strength of Israel to the US is? 1/20th?

"The missiles were launched from the very locations previously targeted by the Israelis." The Iranians did have pictures of missiles being pretty well sealed underground.

https://t.me/sitreports/36486

"A correction needs to be made to a previous post. It was not 40 ballistic missiles launch toward Haifa. Apparently, it was 100."

Too predictable? Maybe direct orders from the Vatican and the City of London will do the trick. "The bosses want to see you in their office." Then again......

LOL!

AmericanKulak says

Another "EXPERT" - Douglas MacGregor - determined that the US could not take on Iran - just a few months ago on Tuqar Chatsworth-Qarlsoon.


What would you say the relative strength of Israel to the US is? 1/20th?

That's not all he said though. I watched it cause it seems foolish to say the US can't take on Iran. He implied that Russia would get involved. While he generally doesn't seem to think too highly of the US capacities, if it escalated with the involvement of Russia and potentially others, it could become very dangerous quickly and even if not you can bank on support for US involvement dropping to zero quickly once the first American soldiers come home in coffins. This is why Trump should tell anyone who isn't ready to come to the table to fuck off.

"Say hello to my L'il Friend, Israel. Ready to negotiate in earnest, now?"

"But yea, shit, if you want to keep bombing Israel.......?"

https://insiderpaper.com/trump-says-if-iran-attacks-full-strength-of-us-military-will-come-down/

Ceffer says

https://t.me/CIG_telegram/60409

You forgot to add some context.
Israel attacks another country that has publicly stated they wish the complete destruction of the entire Israeli population and nation. This same country is enriching nuclear weapons grade materials to deliver a nuclear strike.

Axios "reports" that Israel wants the USA to help them "bunker bust" the Iranian Deep underground nuclear enrichment site. This may be true, but doubtful.

It's widely accepted that Israel has 200ish nuclear weapons. Couldn't these be used to tactically strike the Iranian enrichment site, glassing over the surface and rendering it non-operational? Let's ask Grok:

Grok Conclusion (using thinking mode, Grok too about 40s to produce results. There was about a page of analysis before these conclusions.)

To render the Fordow Enrichment site non-operational, Israel would likely need a nuclear strike with a yield in the range of hundreds of kilotons to a few megatons, depending on the delivery method:
An EPW with a yield of 100-300 kt could suffice by penetrating slightly into the ground and using the shockwave to collapse the facility, offering a more targeted approach with less fallout.

A surface burst of around 1 Mt might be required to create a crater deep enough to expose or destroy Fordow, though this is less efficient and riskier due to fallout.
This estimate is speculative, as it relies on general nuclear effects models rather than specific data on Fordow’s construction or Israel’s arsenal. The actual yield could vary based on classified factors, and such a strike would carry profound geopolitical, ethical, and environmental consequences, making it a highly contentious option.

Grok forgot that for US nukes, we have a max yield of 300kt. Not even a megaton.

Now the US could use a shaped nuclear charge, but the Iranians have it quite burrowed in...so even there no guarantees.

I was referring to Israeli nukes.

mell says

if it escalated with the involvement of Russia and potentially others,

Does Russia have really anything to involve itself with given the Ukraine?

The Tu-95 fleet was just bashed pretty bad by Ukraine.

So I don't think the Russians CAN intervene.

Just look at how fast the IDF dealt with the vaunted S300-400 Air Defense system all the experts were bemoaning.

As for the first part, MacGregor is talking about the missiles which turned out to be joke; they can get in the vicinity of a city, and it took Iran almost 1000 missiles to kill maybe 9 people total against an unmoving land target? Way too inaccurate to hit a Ship.

Iran sells 90% of it's oil to China.

Also, if Iran gets a Nuke, MbS says Saudi Arabia will - not might - deploy nukes as well. Saudi has an agreement with Pakistan that they can option a nuke immediately.

I'm happy with Israel going it alone, but already those who goalpost shifted from "No STUPID Wars, Peace through Strength" to "No Airstrikes" are now trying to push the goalpost fruther to "No Ammo/parts for Israel"...

I've been saying over and over, having failed to push from the Left, the globalists will now start a right infiltration, and it's paying massive dividends. Trump isn't even getting a honeymoon from a chunk of his supporters, despite the obstacles put in front of him that he does overcome relatively quickly.

The best outcome:

* Israel finishes knocking out Iran's capacities. From the first bombing, there was a two week campaign predicted. This is getting into day 3.

* Iranian revolution brings back the Shah or at least the Mullah resigns to an interim government

* This eliminates nuclear proliferation, since if Iran gets a bomb, Saudi Arabia WILL exercise their contract to get bombs from Pakistan. Pakistan is very dependent on Saudi Aid and Oil. Zero development time.

* The Islamic Revolution HQ is removed from power, the inspiration for Global Jihad since the late 70s. Instead, Jihadis are demoralized and there is a great burst of FUD for Islamic fanatics and potential recruits.

* The post-liberal, post-constitutional turds sit on it and rotate and I get to gloat about it, too.

* Oh, and more peace.

rocketjoe79 says

I was referring to Israeli nukes.

Israel doesn't have anything that could carry a payload big enough to do the job, even if they had a Big nuke (which I doubt).

Nope. that target has to be done by the US, with a shaped nuclear charge. Then we would have to put up with all kinds of crap for using a nuke.

Pre-Omeed purchased Tuqar, when he was Chatsworth

The Bunker Buster stuff is a misdirect.

The IDF went through every scenario.

I guarantee they either have a series of smaller penetrative bombs that can be carried by twin-engine fighters, or...

Two engines, hmmm. Need more than that... ohhhhhhh, aha!

They do basically control Iranian airspace now.

Right, "Spooky"?

I do like how the Israelis used the flimsiest of excuses to start targeting Iranian infrastructure.

I have dunnit too in their situation. Who's gonna call them out on blatant war crimes???? - South Africa ???

They've had to put up with all kinds of name calling in the UN for so long, that when it's true. the shit just sounds like more rhetoric.

Misc says

I do like how the Israelis used the flimsiest of excuses to start targeting Iranian infrastructure.

I think bombing the oil was valid, since Iran is just lobbing missiles into downtown areas and claiming every one they hit is a secret base, but only civilians die. Even in that 90% Arab surburb of Haifa.

90% of Irans oil goes to CHYna, anyway. And it puts pressure on the regime to collapse. It's also why sanctions are no longer leverage.

And oil/energy has always been a valid target. NATO targeted Serbian energy stores/power plants in the 90s. And many other wars And non-Western. India blew up Karachi oil tanks in 1971.

Unlike Syria or Iraq, Iran definitely has a government-in-exile that has a history of legitimacy waiting in the wings beloved by millions.

One also notices there is no attacks by and no demonstrations to speak of by Iranian expat normies (ie not secret student activists)

AmericanKulak says

I'm happy with Israel going it alone, but already those who goalpost shifted from "No STUPID Wars, Peace through Strength" to "No Airstrikes" are now trying to push the goalpost fruther to "No Ammo/parts for Israel"...

I've been saying over and over, having failed to push from the Left, the globalists will now start a right infiltration, and it's paying massive dividends. Trump isn't even getting a honeymoon from a chunk of his supporters, despite the obstacles put in front of him that he does overcome relatively quickly.

If they go it alone with regional partners that's fine, but the ammo part is tricky as we have seen in the Russian/Ukranian war. Also I don't think the globalists have to do anything as it was well known that many Trump supporters are staunch America First or isolationists who wanted to retract the unconditional support for Istael, he has to deal with his diverse base. I think it's a chance missed for diplomacy. If the neighboring states think Iran is a threat, they probably will deal with it. Let's hope it will be brief and successful.

AmericanKulak says

Just pick up the phone Khameni, c'mon and give peace a chance.

then he went on FoxNews and confirmed he knew of attack and blessed it. I did not vote for more wars.

Fortwaye says

then he went on FoxNews and confirmed he knew of attack and blessed it. I did not vote for more wars.

Knowing and blessing are the same as being otherwise involved.

Maybe they shoulda used some of those 'deception strategies' for their dead leaders.

https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1933645555491876990

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/shock-report-iran-admits-israel-has-infiltrated-highest/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-proclaims-total-air-superiority-over-iranian-capital-area-war-intensifies

This seems to outline Trump's 'weakness' in his battle with the independent SES/CIA/MIC entities still tied into the 'Three Cities' paradigm and Israel as a proxy state doing their bidding in the Middle East? Trump still has 'home turf' problems to settle before he can break the boss chain to make it 'Two Cities' instead of 'Three Cities'.

Main goal is to expedite regime change and return Iran to the 'secular' aka bloodline Pahlavi (Pallavicini)? The Euro demon masters love their bloodlines. "Israeli gangster servants, go kill those mullahs!" The cast chicken bones in the temple of Aphrodite seem to indicate that Pahlavis will be back in business before the end of the year. Independent agency of Israel is a promulgated fiction?



Persian bloodlines and Jesuits pdf

https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1934000529027600444

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/06/13/remarkable-online-poll-highlights-90-percent-of-respondents-do-not-want-usa-involved-in-israel-war-against-iran/

Double Standard

The_Deplorable says

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/06/13/remarkable-online-poll-highlights-90-percent-of-respondents-do-not-want-usa-involved-in-israel-war-against-iran/

I guess the question is, what have the desires of the American People ever had anything to do with it? We are hostile indigenous dead ocean chattels to the overseas plotters. Our consent can be 'manufactured'. Completely false versions of the world stage will be shoved down our throats like pate grain geese.

These ancient conflicts will test Trump's 'mercantile vision' that all of these entities can be bribed with economics. The Euro axis being bent on WWIII means going for broke and diving into the tunnels. International bribery does not seem to be an antidote to their Satanic designs in the long run. They are operating from a prison camp control grid arc that does not give a shit about rational or even self interested behaviors. It demands fountains and rivers of blood and suffering.

The middle eastern blog breaks down into ad hominem, LOL!

More LOLs as the Persian KommieKunts pitch in.

"Will those who are not infiltrators please stand up?"

More 'Propaganda and Fog of War Lies Whack-a-Mole'. What is daft propaganda, and what is 'reality'?