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AmericanKulak says

Imagine in US Programmers had been more smart and less Heinleinian in the 90s, and started a Pro Association where State & Fed Gov demanded only licensed, Pro-Association accredited programmers could be contractors.

I started in Tech in the 90s, saw the writing on the wall and talked to engineers/others about unionizing (I'm not an engineer). They laughed because they thought they were untouchable. Guess they didn't think that in the late 90s when layoffs started, or maybe they thought it was a short-term anomaly. .

What about allowing these H-1Bs to jump ship on day one?

If the "labor shortage" is real like these American oligarchs are saying they should be fine with it, right?

Very good: https://patriots.win/p/19A17VUhft/sam-hyde-seriously-made-one-of-t/c

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

C++, Java or Javascript? WTF?

Yup, and I have never had a H1B visa Indian, that could outcode me in simple run of the mill enterprise and website coding.
Now I'm not bashing Indians in general. I'm sure the Indians Musk employs to make Teslas, and self landing rockets, and power walls, and tunnel boring machines, are technically way out of my league doing things I could never do. But for 99% of the companies out there, they are simply replacing American workers with cheap labor. To the detriment of their IT infrastructure. They brought in 13 Indians to replace me and take over the code base I wrote for the company I was working for. It took me 3 years to write 7 complex systems. It took them over 24 months to deliver an unusable Netsuite integration of those processes, databases and application. According to ex-coworkers still there. It's missing most of the best features, and it's buggy and ineffective.
I was forced to spend about 5 months with them to bring them up to speed on what my codebase was doing. They would get angry with me, because they couldn't understand it. Demanded that I simplified my explanations, and bitched about the complication of my processes. Without even understanding how its done.

H1B visas should not be used for any Enterprise coding. Unless that company actually has proprietary chips and hardware that goes along with it. Even then that guy should wear both hats, otherwise they should have to hire Americans to code the client side of things.

https://oldschoolcounselor.substack.com/p/bannon-departs-from-trump-and-muskaswamy

Holy Macaroni.

Steve Bannon just launched a nationalist missile on his War Room show this morning.

Bannon departed from his former boss President Trump and Billionaire Elon Musk on the H-1B1 Visa program, which has become a symbol for nationalism/populism.

He demanded immediate H-1B holder deportation back to their countries of origin.

He demanded that companies hire the displaced American workers in their place.

He demanded reparations from Silicon Valley companies for the American workers who received discrimination.

Wow. That is some serious reform.

The H-1B Visa program is and always has been a scam designed to disenfranchise American workers and enrich the heads of global tech corporations. The program draws its fake legitimacy from a propaganda story about meritocracy that appeals to many conservatives and libertarians.

Gab Founder and Nationalist philosopher Andrew Torba dispelled the myth of meritocracy in a powerful X Post this morning that all Conservatives and Libertarians need to understand. Torba takes Bannon to a deeper level.

"A genuine meritocracy can only realistically function within the boundaries of a nation state, among its own citizens. This is because the notion of a meritocracy presupposes a shared cultural, linguistic, and legal framework that facilitates fair assessment and recognition of individual merits. When we attempt to apply this concept on a global scale, it doesn’t work and causes all sorts of problems as was demonstrated this week. The concept of merit itself is influenced by a nation's unique history, values, and traditions. What is considered admirable or praiseworthy in one culture may be seen as unimportant or even undesirable in another. This cultural divergence creates obvious obstacles when attempting to establish a universal system of merit on a global scale. If you want a true meritocracy it has to be one by Americans for Americans."

Patrick says

The H-1B Visa program is and always has been a scam designed to disenfranchise American workers and enrich the heads of global tech corporations. The program draws its fake legitimacy from a propaganda story about meritocracy that appeals to many conservatives and libertarians.

Then what is the purpose of importing them here? Coding can be done anywhere.

Elon really kicked a hot turd on a hot summer day. He should have just kept his mouth shut and let the H1B visa posts on X proceed without jumping into the fray. Now that he's put it front and center. There's a good chance all H1B visas, and visas that take any American job will be placed under hard scrutiny.
It will be easier for a construction firm to import dry wallers, than for companies to import coders.

It's only going to get worse for Elon. He might have burned out already. So many pretend MAGers, think they can bullshit their way into the MAGAverse with populist shit. Then once they are venerated and are getting heaps and praises, they take their mask off thinking just endearing the MAGers, is all they have to do. It's as if, they think Trump supporters just because we like Trump, we will go for anything and everything he pulls out of his hat. He'll be the first to tell you that's not true. Trump tried to hock the Vax and Masks and got his hand slapped hard. He had the good sense the pull away and never bring it up again. Had Trump told his base "Go fuck your face, you racist cretins, the Republican party doesn't need you".
Then Biden would have won the 2020 election fair and square.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/12/31/report-elon-musks-tesla-replaced-laid-off-americans-with-foreign-workers-on-h-1b-visas/

Tenpoundbass says

Yup, and I have never had a H1B visa Indian, that could outcode me in simple run of the mill enterprise and website coding.

Well not only that but two of them are outdated back end languages and one is (sadly still used) a front end. Casting a pretty fucking wide net there considering they are supposed to be looking for hard to find astrophysicists type needle in a haystack.

Also, a dip shit recruiter or HR or hiring manager. Or lazy.

SAAS catchy buzz words, can you list one example of what you think a Software as a Service would be so marketable without a customer.

This type of software design is part of a bigger enterprise. That on demand cloud service, opens the companies software in small areas to the workforce over the internet. Without compromising their local network infrastructure, from being hacked and attacked. Let the Cloud company hosting the SAAS deal with the attacks. Meanwhile invoices and POs can continue cranking out back at the ranch.

As a consumer customer, I wont buy any prescription based software. If it's not a lifetime license on a local computer I installed it on. Then I wont buy it. I will pay $600 for Cubase to install on a computer, or $1200 for a developer suite. But I would never pay even $20 a month for it. And not have access to it, unless I was connected to the internet.

I'm sure it's lucrative but I can't make software I don't believe in.

SAAS is Toyota giving a free trial for a key fob that starts a car engine on a $65K car that they take away from you months down the line unless you pay a subscription.

Fuck that.

I will never buy a SAAS product.

Tenpoundbass says

I'm sure it's lucrative but I can't make software I don't believe in.

Sounds quaint. FWIW, SAAS doesn't have to be subscription based. I own an SAAS and I don't get paid unless/until my users get paid. I get a small cut of every transaction on the site.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

SAAS is Toyota giving a free trial for a key fob that starts a car engine on a $65K car that they take away from you months down the line unless you pay a subscription.

Fuck that.

I will never buy a SAAS product.

You don't have to be immoral to own/build an SAAS. There are win/win opportunities. Maybe coders aren't business people? Is it that simple? I know an SAAS that was recently sold for $35,000,000. Guess who the founders are? They're Realtors who pooled their $$ together and hired a team of people to create the SAAS for them.

I promise you there are many more opportunities out there. Is anyone willing to forgo a salary to take a chance? Very few. No, most want to come out of college and make the BIG $$$. What happens next? Yup, marriage and debt. Debt, stay away from it.

I recently hired a marketing consultant. She is a long time business guru(?). She does everything from drawing up business plans to raising capital. She showed me a company she raised $30,000,000 for. The site brings buyers and sellers of chemicals together. She considers it an SAAS.

Tenpoundbass says

SAAS catchy buzz words, can you list one example of what you think a Software as a Service would be so marketable without a customer.

I don't think I understand your question but, why would anyone build an SAAS if they didn't think there would be any customers for it?

There's a lot of things that you can only do using C and C variants or a dll wrapper exposing APIs from that object made with those libraries.
I ran into this wall using C# and an employee from a partner firm, was using Ruby and Python. We were trying to create TIFF files, with Lab values.
The graphics libraries in .net writes a bitmap file, that format is worked out during saving, then creating that graphic format. But they all start out as a Bitmap for the most part. Which the three segment tuple you pass for each pixel of the file, only has 0 to 255 values. Lab values use Shorts. with are -128 to +127.
No matter how hard I tried there was no way to save the image with those values. I even tried making my own Tiff generator using an incomplete codebase that managed to save every other file format but gave up on the Tiff section. I managed to get it working but the colors were way off from the intended result. Lab colors are about true color matching regardless of computer to computer color adjustments. Finally found a image maker wrapper dll made in C, that worked. But it still nagged me that C# couldn't do it. I managed to track down some C code that would do it, but when I followed the refactored code from the C code in C#. And was doing essentially the same logic. I still could not save an image with negative values. Which is required for the -127 to 127 range. My -88.7.-6 would turn into 0.7.0.

Java is pretty much useless, and C# blows it away in spades. Java doesn't anything near that rich and robust as Generics.

Javascript is the universal client side language. Very much needed but the creeping into server side logic, which requires a parser to digest the data. Is pointless and overkill.

9 out of 10 startups do not make money. Business skills I guess are orthogonal to engineering even though they look trivial.

Tenpoundbass says

SAAS catchy buzz words, can you list one example of what you think a Software as a Service would be so marketable without a customer.

Almost any industry could, and does, benefit from some type of SAAS. Isn't Uber an SAAS? How about OpenTable or Door Dash etc. They aren't just Adobe anymore.

Have you tried Rust? It compiles into the same code that C does. Last month I made a shared c-lib with it a co-worker loads using JNI. I will never go back to C/C++.

Blue says

9 out of 10 startups do not make money. Business skills I guess are orthogonal to engineering even though they look trivial.

GNL says

Maybe coders aren't business people?

I worked a lot of sales jobs when I was a kid and have run multiple RE side businesses. I pick biotechs to work for based on their business prospects (some having panned out well others not so much, it's a difficult space with a lot of overhead) and software dev just came naturally due to the fact that I'm a molecular biologist. DNA is code.

I've seen your posts, I'm sure you're honest and all and also correct but too many companies use it to fuck customers for an extra $ so no thanks.

GNL says

Adobe

Claimed to own the rights to any image created by its software the past year if I recall lol.

ITechBrosWon says

Only solution is $300k base salary and $25k per year government fee for having H1B.

Or make the first $300K of salary expense non-deductible for the company.

There are definitely some unscrupulous companies out there. There are 3 successful companies I know of in the RE space where customer service is almost non existent. Seems crazy to not have at least satisfactory customer service.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

GNL says

Adobe

Claimed to own the rights to any image created by its software the past year if I recall lol.

Wow. Maybe the Faber pencil company can claim ownership of sketches made with their product.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

This is why corporate American needs H-1B; nobody puts a gun to corporate America's head and forces them to hire H-1B's; no one force State Department to give visas to H-1B's.

gabbar says

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

This is why corporate American needs H-1B; nobody puts a gun to corporate America's head and forces them to hire H-1B's; no one force State Department to give visas to H-1B's.

It’s the odd accounting of ESG. To qualify for BlackRock/Vanguard’s standards of investment, a company must take on a quota of diversity, competent or not. They’d rather take on H1B diversity than domestic diversity, as Indian engineers can be good. In aggregate, though, these policies pull companies like Intel and Boeing backward.

Outlaw ESG as a requirement for investment bank largesse. This would subtract the real financial incentive behind H1B. And remove Blackrock from such position of influence. They were created from the bailouts of 2009 and Geithner’s PPP idea. They took in Maiden Lane and the failed Fannie Mae (etc) mortgages, were made whole by Fed’s “QE”, and became the behemoth they are. They’re a govt creation, a Frankenstein, and should have nothing to do with forced policy.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

Have you tried Rust? It compiles into the same code that C does. Last month I made a shared c-lib with it a co-worker loads using JNI. I will never go back to C/C++.

Rusts language is brutally cumbersome, I think it's more of a fad. Nonetheless if you are up for wrestling with the borrow checker you can code incredibly lean and fast libraries, it will definitely have its place, but prob stay niche.

mell says

Rusts language is brutally cumbersome, I think it's more of a fad. Nonetheless if you are up for wrestling with the borrow checker you can code incredibly lean and fast libraries, it will definitely have its place, but prob stay niche.

I like to call it the autistic step child of prog languages but find it pretty easy nowadays. Some people describe C/C++ learning curve like a mountain and Rust like a wall. But once you break through that wall...

The compiler is very opinionated. There are also way more well tested libs in C/++ because that has been around a lot longer. It's definitely speed I'm going for when I use it.

I have a new manager that hates it that wants everything re-written in python as parallelized services. He thinks that will make up for the speed lol... Not gonna work, needs to be compiled or customers will have much more than enough time for a smoke break while they wait for their web-browser to finish loading.

They've back tracked but:

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

I have a new manager that hates it that wants everything re-written in python as parallelized services. He thinks that will make up for the speed lol... Not gonna work, needs to be compiled or customers will have much more than enough time for a smoke break while they wait for their web-browser to finish loading.

Every coder should be language agnostic but python is hard for me to accept, it's great for kids to learn coding but for adults it's a pita, unfortunately it became super popular with the rise of AI due to the popularity of its libraries, tensorflow etc. Java is the king of reliability and hence the king of banking, some of the best large projects/libraries are written in Java for a reason. Oracle actually did a great job advancing it, graalvm and project Loom (best threading), once project Valhalla finishes reified generics it will be decidedly better than C#, Kotlin and Scala again, though not having native async/await sucks. But for most everyday application Javascript or Typescript is simply the fastest way to get the job done (and big plus for native async/await), unless you need multithreading or extreme speed. Never warmed up to Go either (poor language overall) but it's extremely fast and simple as well and will also keep it's place.

I used to do a lot of website load testing and was shocked at how much python sucked and how incredibly fast javascript is on a server (node.js)

So I switched from writing load tests in python to writing them in javascript and was easily able to generate more than 10x the load with javascript on the same load generation hardware.

mell says

Java is the king of reliability and hence the king of banking, some of the best large projects/libraries are written in Java for a reason.

Our new platform team management is moving to Java, thus I am delivering bioinformatic clibs to them so they can load in JNI (until cough services). The refrain from the other bioinformaticians when they learned of this event was something along the line of, "90s again!?", where much like AI bioinformatics moved heavily to python about 16 years ago.

One half of our brain is stuck in biology so you've got to cut us some slack!

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

mell says

Java is the king of reliability and hence the king of banking, some of the best large projects/libraries are written in Java for a reason.

Our new platform team management is moving to Java, thus I am delivering bioinformatic clibs to them so they can load in JNI (until cough services). The refrain from the other bioinformaticians when they learned of this event was something along the line of, "90s again!?", where much like AI bioinformatics moved heavily to python about 16 years ago.

One half of our brain is stuck in biology so you've got to cut us some slack!

I really like the idea of providing JNI libraries through Rust instead of C/C++, hope I get to try it one day if time permits. Currently I'm focused on automated trading algos, using Javascript and websockets (love the Tradier API first brokerage, hope they make it).

What's strange is, if you apply to same jobs as us citizen, there is no reply. Who can you ask why they hire h1b over local talent. Can you send email to hr and ask to justify what unique talent h1b had?

There is some benefit to stealing some really smart phds, not only they help innovate local companies, they also do brain drain other countries. If e.g. 100 start up were in other country, us would lose out on those profits.

Amazon, google, tesla... so many have h1b.

KgK one says

What's strange is, if you apply to same jobs as us citizen, there is no reply. Who can you ask why they hire h1b over local talent. Can you send email to hr and ask to justify what unique talent h1b had?

There is some benefit to stealing some really smart phds, not only they help innovate local companies, they also do brain drain other countries. If e.g. 100 start up were in other country, us would lose out on those profits.

Amazon, google, tesla... so many have h1b.

You actually can challenge any job posting that says they sponsor h1b visa. Just apply as US citizen and I believe they need to answer you in detail why you are not a fit. They are challenged rarely but if more US citizens would do so it could make a difference

Some job postings and their interviews are fake to have a record to fulfill existing H1B employees paperwork!