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mell says

You actually can challenge any job posting that says they sponsor h1b visa.

Disney fired scores of workers and had those workers train their H1-B replacements or lose their final bonus.

Blue says

Some job postings and their interviews are fake to have a record to fulfill existing H1B employees paperwork!

Fake ads and interviews is a part of so-called RIR process.

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/the-great-christmas-h1b-war-of-2024

This unexpected collision with political reality knocked the tech CEOs right on their asses, where they sat with halos of little dollar signs orbiting their concussed heads as they blinked in bewilderment that anyone could oppose capitalist meritocracy. ...

America’s culture of valourizing the prom queen over the valedictorian, the jock over the nerd, of spending their childhood doing things other than homework-maxing, is why Americans are so clueless when it comes to engineering, and that general inbred Yankee don’t-know-how is why they’re forced, with tears of regret in their eyes, to recruit H1Bs from the degree mills of the subcontinent, at 60% of the wages an American would be paid for the ‘equivalent’ (i.e., of incomparably superior quality) work. ...

The chuds don’t care because, for the chuds, this is not a matter of ‘economics’, of Big Line Go Up. It is a question of their homeland, what is happening to it, and whether they even get to have one. It is about being ethnically replaced. It is about being relentlessly undercut by the cheap labour of bargain-basement aliens, whose presence en masse makes it harder to get a job, depresses the wages of what jobs you can get, and inflates the cost of housing. It is about being expected to work twice as hard as your grandfather for half the standard of living. It is about decades of affirmative action policies which have frustrated young white men at every step of their lives, from being treated like defective girls in elementary school, to being made to affirm that their ancestors were genocidal racists in high school, to being deprioritized for admissions, scholarships, internships, and mentoring in college, to being discriminated against in hiring and passed over for promotions in the workplace, all while being expected to clap like trained seals for their own dispossession while being gaslit that that they are not being dispossessed and if they’re having problems it must be their fault because they just suck and clearly the women and the immigrants are just better than them. ...

The tech CEOs are morally retarded: like the blind or the deaf or perhaps most tragically of all like my cousin who was born without a sense of smell, they cannot parse arguments that arise from the evidence of the senses they do not possess. The sense of having a homeland, a place in which you belong, in which you can be surrounded by people like you, whom you can understand implicitly, is full of unquantifiable intangibles that cannot be exported to .csv. ...

Long and bitter experience has demonstrated time after time that small concessions invariably become the camel’s nose of demographic change. From the 1965 immigration act that Americans were promised would not alter the country’s demographics to Reagan’s amnesty for illegal immigrants that categorically did not lead to either E-Verify or a closed border, Americans have been lied to time and again on this question. ...

When tech CEOs tried to argue that there are vast economic benefits from all of the innovation that their elite human capital would bring to the US, people pointed out that what they really meant was ‘indentured workers who can’t change jobs and are employed at well below market rates’.




Others pointed out that the supposed shortage of skilled engineers is belied by years of tech layoffs.

Other anons spammed screenshots from the federal H1B database showing case after case of H1Bs being brought in as janitors, cooks, secretaries, administrative assistants, 7-11 cashiers, even pickleball coaches, along of course with every entry-level intern position you can think of. This is very familiar to Canadians, who were told we were getting doctors and engineers, when what we actually got were Tim Horton’s workers, Uber drivers, truckers tikka masala (who cannot drive and have turned our highways into death traps), and real estate scams.

It turns out, for example, that despite being capped at around 85,000 per year, applications for ten times this number are routinely approved1. Since we have been assured that the H1B program is only bringing in the top 0.01% of the best and brightest of the planet’s elite human capital, we come to the remarkable conclusion that the Earth contains an incredible eight billion software engineers. Who knew? The analysis also finds that H1Bs are paid well below market rates, are predominantly concentrated in entry and mid-level positions in a tech sector which has been undergoing rounds of mass layoffs (with financial services as the runners up), and that while most of the companies using them are household names (Google, IBM, Amazon) quite a
large number are awarded to Indian-run ‘consulting’ firms such as Cognizant or Tata which exist solely to profit off of the skim from labour arbitrage. ...

The immigration debate changed this week, not only in the US, but everywhere in the English-speaking world, and I think that change will be permanent.

For years now the immigration debate has circled almost exclusively around undocumented, irregular migration: border-jumping illegals in the US, asylum seeking sub-Saharans and Arabs in Europe. Supporters of irregular migration usually invoke humanitarian concerns – the poor children are fleeing war, or crushing poverty, or climate change, or whatever – while opponents contrast this with the humanitarian interests of the natives, whom the “humanitarians”’ guests have a tendency to rape, assault, rob, murder, and otherwise terrorize, occasionally with actual terrorism, most recently less than two weeks ago at the Magdeburg Christmas market. ...

Legal immigration is on the table now as a topic of discussion. Cutting it off entirely is inside the Overton Window. In fact, judging by sentiment on X, a total immigration moratorium is a broadly popular stance.

As a Canadian, I’m thrilled to see this. Illegal immigration has never been much of a problem in Canada. There’s a small amount of it, either coming across the land border with the US or, more often, via visa overstays, but it’s really a rounding error. The vast majority of the immigration into Canada has been entirely legal: permanent residencies, new citizens, student visas, and temporary foreign workers have collectively summed to well over a million new arrivals, every year, for years now, and before that they were coming over at the rate of hundreds of thousands a year – roughly one percent of the population annually – for decades.

And it has been a disaster. ...

Falling per capita GDP has occurred alongside one of the worst real estate bubbles on the planet, effectively pricing young Canadians out of the property market, and yes, that’s largely because of the massive increase in demand for housing. ...

Canada is a country on the edge of collapse, and it is entirely due to mass immigration.

There is a pattern here. One can point to the failure of mass immigration to pay off in economic growth in other countries. Great Britain and its long malaise is an obvious case in point. Australia has pursued a similar policy to Canada’s, with similarly dire results. In Denmark a recent study demonstrated that non-white immigrants are net lifetime tax burdens.




... One by one, all of the economic arguments in favour of mass migration from the third world to Western countries have been dismantled, leaving the pro-foreign labour side sputtering to a deeply unsympathetic mob about how their business model requires them to close off entry-level employment opportunities while under-investing in education and training at home, eating the seed corn of future prosperity in order to fatten the stock portfolios of foreign-born executives, and that this is what is called ‘America winning’. ...

Economics and legality are distractions, chaff thrown up by one side or the other to keep attention away from the primal psychological forces that are actually at work:

The territory of one people being given to others.

In particular, the white peoples of the world being displaced and disinherited, as their lands, their institutions, and their infrastructure are taken from them lot by lot and job by job by colonizers from the global south.

That is, in the end, what it comes down to.

Some are doing this out of pure short-sighted greed. Others are animated by barely-concealed ethnic resentment. Both of these motivations are ignoble and ugly, and the people of America – and increasingly, the rest of the world’s besieged white peoples – are done with all of it. You don’t get to spit in our faces and tell us it’s raining. ...

COVID was probably the last great hurrah of the legacy institutions as consensus-makers. They bullied and manipulated the world into lockdowns, vaccine mandates, and all the rest of their destructive and unnecessary nonsense, and along the way a critical mass of the populace simply developed herd immunity to the mind viruses the media specializes in spreading. Sometime during COVID, amidst all the official censorship and the rising elite panic of ‘disinformation’, it started to feel like the legacy media was reacting to the social networks, with the latter increasingly driving the news cycle, deciding what would be discussed and what the frame of that discussion would be. Now, we’ve entered a time in which the legacy media simply doesn’t matter. ...

Grievances have been articulated, but not addressed. Moreover, just closing down the H1B program isn’t really sufficient – it’s almost certainly true that there really is something of a skills shortage. Decades of systematic neglect of America’s human capital has discouraged many otherwise promising young men from even bothering to develop their skills. After all, what’s the point if the jobs are just going to be allocated on the basis of identity markers? ...

My humble suggestion is that peace can be made for the low, low price of a billion dollars. Maybe a few billion. That’s a ballpark figure, about what I would imagine it would cost to set up a national network of training campuses designed to teach young Americans the skills they need for employment in artificial intelligence, aerospace, automation, 3D manufacturing, and whatever other emerging industries the tech sector is hoping to get rich on.

Why new institutions? Well, because the existing ones are weighed down by decades of affirmative action. They’re rotted out through and through by gay race communism. Both administration and professoriate are lousy with ideological fanatics. By all means, purge them, but this will be a long and gruelling process. Easier to just start fresh, with instructors who aren’t ideological and actually know what they’re doing, inside an organizational culture that’s laser-focused on merit, with a remit to scour the country for talent, develop that talent, and then – via direct connections to the corporate sector – provide a pipeline straight from high school, through engineering boot camp, to well-paid entry-level positions.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Lol, what is that, like 17 seconds of Apple revenue?

A real penalty has to HURT and hurt a fucking lot.

$25 billion would be a good starting fine for Apple. Just for starters, and to double every time they fuck up again.

preed says

We need to get this fixed during Trump's second term.

Trump just said he's all in on flooding the country with H1-Bs. He insulted all American tech workers in the process.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Agreeing with Sanders has never been on my bingo card, but he's right on this one.

Now, let's talk about the ever-increasing offshoring of jobs. Engineering, QA, IT, finance, and customer service. Most goes to India, Mexico, and China. Chinese workers all report to the CCP and code is often stolen. I guess India seemed like a more secure bet. It takes at least 3 Indian employees for every good American, and years of training (with US training their replacements), but I guess the corporate overlords are good with that. Customers have become numb to daily patch releases and products that don't work.

preed says

Agreeing with Sanders has never been on my bingo card, but he's right on this one.

Same here. And I posted this for the same reason.

Michael Moore was right about the 2016 election, too.

https://newrightpoast.substack.com/p/199-h-1beef

The ones who flew into the United States on H1B visas, however, were a far different
story, and begins the modern saga of ethno-narcissism and shameless cheating. While
our team in India was the utmost of professionalism, that can't be said for many of
their compatriots. The 2010's saw a huge influx of Indian visa holders flying into the
country, largely ones who had no business doing so. One H1B contractor we received
a was a whole different level of incompetence. His first code check-ins were SO
wrongheaded they didn't even compile, seemingly just copy-pasted from Stack
Overflow. We had to constantly hold his hand through solving the issues in the code
review until someone had enough and just did it himself. We asked our lead to
delegate him more menial tasks, which he obliged. His next task was to update a JIRA
script to automatically change status when an item was filled out. It was literally a
two-line code change. He made no progress for two weeks, stating he was "looking at
the documentation". Then he called in sick for a week. Then we guided him through
the solution, and he still fucked it up. Then he called in sick for another week. Again,
we did the job for him, and he asked us to email the code so he could check it into
Github under his own name. We refused.

Pericles 'Perry' Abbasi @ElectionLegal • Dec 29, 2024

I love being lectured on meritocracy by people who come from a country with a caste system

https://socialmatter.substack.com/p/on-indians

At first everything was fine. Their output was consistently solid, and the contractors were cordial and communicative, even the remote ones with the time difference, and everything was on time. It wasn’t to last though. The competence level on the on-site contractors was all over the map, ranging from excellent to barely being able to code. Worse, the quality of work from the engineers in India dropped dramatically, and we later found out they are notorious for putting their best employees on a project, then shifting to their B-Team after six months once they felt like they were locked in.

Woo hopium meets the H-1b?

https://t.me/qthestormrider777/25570

Patrick says

Propaganda works but it has its limitations (it can get neutralized by contrarian media channels)....wage suppression is one of the tactics utilized for managing American people in general and American whites in particular, as Bernie notes above; corporations (not just tech but other trades like housing, automotive, retail etc. benefit) are bribing government to make this happen...both unaccountable Democrat and Republican Inc. and they are happy to oblige through this importation of cheap labor...... An independent American who cannot be leveraged is not desirable for government.

Plus monies from H1B is shifted to other federal departments, its a cash cow.

Patrick says

https://socialmatter.substack.com/p/on-indians

At first everything was fine. Their output was consistently solid, and the contractors were cordial and communicative, even the remote ones with the time difference, and everything was on time. It wasn’t to last though. The competence level on the on-site contractors was all over the map, ranging from excellent to barely being able to code. Worse, the quality of work from the engineers in India dropped dramatically, and we later found out they are notorious for putting their best employees on a project, then shifting to their B-Team after six months once they felt like they were locked in.

So A-team is being replaced by B-team with lower wages?

Patrick says

If true, this is evil being done by that particular agency/administration. I know a couple of people who work at Amazon warehouse in Cleveland. One is a single white grandma and one a single white woman with a young kid.....its hard work and they are happy with their jobs....this shit will impact people like them eventually.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Trump just said he's all in on flooding the country with H1-Bs. He insulted all American tech workers in the process.

Vance brought in Tech Bros money from Silicon Valley and Trump said "staple green cards to 2- and 4-year foreign diplomas". If that happens, MAGA must lose the midterms.

RWSGFY says

TrumpingTits says

Eric Holder says

H1B is good for 3 years with possible extension for another 3. At any moment there are shitload of people nearing the end of their visa and needing a new one

Extending visas is not the same as issuing new ones to people in India. That is what is being stopped.

You can extend it only once (unless GC app is filed). It means that many H1-B workers have an expiration date and will have to be replaced by fresh H1-B meat. Which has just became impossible.

Once you have started the green card process you can extend h1bs indefinitely year by year until you get it, given you're employed (not necessarily by the same employer) during all that time

mell says

RWSGFY says

TrumpingTits says

Eric Holder says

H1B is good for 3 years with possible extension for another 3. At any moment there are shitload of people nearing the end of their visa and needing a new one

Extending visas is not the same as issuing new ones to people in India. That is what is being stopped.

You can extend it only once (unless GC app is filed). It means that many H1-B workers have an expiration date and will have to be replaced by fresh H1-B meat. Which has just became impossible.

Once you have started the green card process you can extend h1bs indefinitely year by year until you get it, given you're employed (not necessarily by the same employer) during all that time

Well, duh! This was mentioned in the original message.

https://revolver.news/2025/01/you-thought-h-1b-was-bad-turns-out-opt-is-really-killing-american-jobs/

Well, folks, just when you thought the immigration debate couldn’t get any spicier, another nightmare program takes center stage. Forget the drama around H-1B visas or student visa scams—turns out there’s an even bigger culprit lurking in the shadows. Meet OPT, the granddaddy of them all, and trust me, every American needs to know how this scam operates. ...

The F-1 student visa program, intended for education, has morphed into a system that actively hurts American college grads. Some shady schools exploit the system by offering minimal or no real education, letting foreign students qualify for the government’s Optional Practical Training (OPT) program. OPT allows these students to work full-time jobs under the guise of being “students,” giving employers massive tax breaks—up to $12,000 per worker—for hiring them over equally or more qualified Americans. See how this works? It’s all tied together.

And this cycle creates an unfair advantage for foreign grads, costs Social Security and Medicare well over a billion dollars each year, and also serves as a backdoor pipeline to H-1B visas, leaving American grads at the bottom of the priority list. ...

You thought the H-1B visa was bad? Wait until you hear about the largest guest worker program killing jobs for new American college grads—the Optional Practical Training (OPT):

• No caps
• Employers get payroll tax exemptions
• No wage requirements

OPT was originally a 1-year work permit for international students graduating from U.S. colleges to gain U.S. work experience to take back to their home countries. It was never meant as a permanent immigration pathway, but rather a short-term opportunity for skill development ...

After Bill Gates failed to get Congress to pass an immigration bill expanding H-1B visas, he enlisted lobbyist Jack Krumholtz to devise a plan using the OPT program to bypass the H-1B caps.

At a cocktail party, lobbyist Jack Krumholtz met then-DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff under George W. Bush and pitched his proposal to expand the OPT program. He suggested extending its duration beyond 1 year, effectively creating a workaround for H-1B visa caps.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Elon has shut his face about the subject too.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

If President Trump + DOGE take action to make modify H-1B, it will be similar to modifying potential/future slavery of American labor force. Let's see if people's interests prevail over corporate interests...

So many visa programs to abolish, including TN:

Story from the internet:

All of this H-1B and India talk reminds me of an old friend of mine from college.
Born in Mumbai, his father was a senior member in the chemical engineering department at Exxon. We met in 2nd level chemistry class in college. Kid had good grades and got into some of the best CE schools in the country but went to my school due to its infamy of being a party school.

He always said he wanted to go to American schools to “date white women and be a chemical engineer” (he was only successful at one of these).

He didn’t have great grades, he would chegg his way through homework and limp his way through exams. Study sessions would quickly get derailed away from academics because he had no inclination to pay attention. Never took notes in class, never went to study hours, spent more time drinking than anything else.
A true example of the “Elite Human Capital” we hear about. Keep in mind his parents were paying upwards of 30k a semester as he was an international student.

After his first sophomore semester his dad got him an internship at Exxonmobil. Anyone who has been to college knows how rare or exceptional it is to land an internship at any billion dollar corporation after merely 3 semesters of university.

My friends and I keep in touch, I even went down to Huston a few times to go visit him. He was working on a project in their EMRD program. He would eventually tell me that his project for the EMRD department was a complete throw away to appease climate activism pressure and really wasn’t going anywhere. While there he was making nearly 70k a year as an intern. He lived with his parents, pocketing as much of the money as possible. Much of it was being sent back to the rest of their family back in Mumbai.

Eventually COVID hits and Exxon is tanking, gas prices are lower than could ever be imagined and the company is bleeding cash. Fellow interns and even full time employees he was working with were being laid off left and right, but not him. Protected by his co-ethnics and father, department after department started to be culled and began to be filled with people that looked like him. The middle management overseeing the cuts were obviously prioritizing Indians. He told me all of this as if it was a good thing.

Eventually he has to work completely remote so he moves back to the college town I was living at and moves in with my friends and I. He would tape an oscillating fan to his mouse and go out with us during the day. While we were studying he would be playing video games, smoking weed, and drinking.

When time on his internship ran out he was offered another intern position at Exxon (who knew). But instead of taking it, or going back to school, he applied to Phillips 66 for a chemical engineering internship. There using his fathers connection they of course made him an offer which paid more than what Exxon was paying him.

He then used that offer from Phillips to tell Exxon that if they didn’t match the pay, then he would quit and go work for Phillips. They capitulated and gave him the raise, as they COULDN’T say no considering the moment they did his father would step in and force them to hire him on the terms of his counter offer.

HE DID ALL OF THIS, not out of some machiavellian ambition to ascend the corporate ladder, but at the behest and guidance of his father. Any person that has lived near these people, watched them work, and has seen their behavior has heard a story like this.

These people aren’t “Elite Human Capital” like Elon, or Vivek, or Hanania would have you believe. They are pirates, raping and looting your homeland and sending away to theirs.

He was a good friend, and at times I admired the things he would do. But it is time for it to end. It is time for them to go home.

Why are outsourcing firms allowed at all? They have to work direct for the company. MS has to hire them direct from Mumbai, without "Cognizent" in the way.

The contracting firms are just away to help H1Bs get around the "30 days or leave" rule and insure Nabobs get a cut of profits

All of these are good first steps.

We still need the "Here are 5 qualified unemployed Americans. To obtain an H1B, write a 1000 word essay why each one was unqualfied and submit $1000 processing fee per rejection. Please note if the ask salary was within 15% of the prevailing wage, or they only lacked a fraction of the experience asked for (Ie 4 years of C++ instead of 5), it is not a qualifying rejection reason. "

Also, H1Bs are for a Skills Shortage, Not to facilitate shorter term contracts. Americans can sign short term contracts.

So, sounds like Trump aint gonna do anything about the H-1B problem.

gabbar says

So, sounds like Trump aint gonna do anything about the H-1B problem.

Not this time.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

gabbar says

So, sounds like Trump aint gonna do anything about the H-1B problem.

Not this time.

nor any other time. illegals or h1b is business subsidy. those businesses have politicians on the take, it’s too hard to fight it. easier let america collapse, much easier.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

nor any other time

First term he put a moratorium on it

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

nor any other time

First term he put a moratorium on it

this time he won’t. big tech sucks, they suck, they don’t care for America. it’s an issue of the heart. that can’t be fixed with moratorium. assholes are assholes for a reason. their employees, and i met few. they utterly hate conservatives. big tech is like a giant club that submits to their ruling group that tells them what to think and believe.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

this time he won’t

Yes. That us what I said.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

this time he won’t

Yes. That us what I said.

i know, just making conversation

Yawn, some temporary shit here, some lip service there, but things remain basically the same.