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Patrick says

Propaganda works but it has its limitations (it can get neutralized by contrarian media channels)....wage suppression is one of the tactics utilized for managing American people in general and American whites in particular, as Bernie notes above; corporations (not just tech but other trades like housing, automotive, retail etc. benefit) are bribing government to make this happen...both unaccountable Democrat and Republican Inc. and they are happy to oblige through this importation of cheap labor...... An independent American who cannot be leveraged is not desirable for government.

Plus monies from H1B is shifted to other federal departments, its a cash cow.

Patrick says

https://socialmatter.substack.com/p/on-indians

At first everything was fine. Their output was consistently solid, and the contractors were cordial and communicative, even the remote ones with the time difference, and everything was on time. It wasn’t to last though. The competence level on the on-site contractors was all over the map, ranging from excellent to barely being able to code. Worse, the quality of work from the engineers in India dropped dramatically, and we later found out they are notorious for putting their best employees on a project, then shifting to their B-Team after six months once they felt like they were locked in.

So A-team is being replaced by B-team with lower wages?

Patrick says

If true, this is evil being done by that particular agency/administration. I know a couple of people who work at Amazon warehouse in Cleveland. One is a single white grandma and one a single white woman with a young kid.....its hard work and they are happy with their jobs....this shit will impact people like them eventually.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Trump just said he's all in on flooding the country with H1-Bs. He insulted all American tech workers in the process.

Vance brought in Tech Bros money from Silicon Valley and Trump said "staple green cards to 2- and 4-year foreign diplomas". If that happens, MAGA must lose the midterms.

RWSGFY says

TrumpingTits says

Eric Holder says

H1B is good for 3 years with possible extension for another 3. At any moment there are shitload of people nearing the end of their visa and needing a new one

Extending visas is not the same as issuing new ones to people in India. That is what is being stopped.

You can extend it only once (unless GC app is filed). It means that many H1-B workers have an expiration date and will have to be replaced by fresh H1-B meat. Which has just became impossible.

Once you have started the green card process you can extend h1bs indefinitely year by year until you get it, given you're employed (not necessarily by the same employer) during all that time

mell says

RWSGFY says

TrumpingTits says

Eric Holder says

H1B is good for 3 years with possible extension for another 3. At any moment there are shitload of people nearing the end of their visa and needing a new one

Extending visas is not the same as issuing new ones to people in India. That is what is being stopped.

You can extend it only once (unless GC app is filed). It means that many H1-B workers have an expiration date and will have to be replaced by fresh H1-B meat. Which has just became impossible.

Once you have started the green card process you can extend h1bs indefinitely year by year until you get it, given you're employed (not necessarily by the same employer) during all that time

Well, duh! This was mentioned in the original message.

https://revolver.news/2025/01/you-thought-h-1b-was-bad-turns-out-opt-is-really-killing-american-jobs/

Well, folks, just when you thought the immigration debate couldn’t get any spicier, another nightmare program takes center stage. Forget the drama around H-1B visas or student visa scams—turns out there’s an even bigger culprit lurking in the shadows. Meet OPT, the granddaddy of them all, and trust me, every American needs to know how this scam operates. ...

The F-1 student visa program, intended for education, has morphed into a system that actively hurts American college grads. Some shady schools exploit the system by offering minimal or no real education, letting foreign students qualify for the government’s Optional Practical Training (OPT) program. OPT allows these students to work full-time jobs under the guise of being “students,” giving employers massive tax breaks—up to $12,000 per worker—for hiring them over equally or more qualified Americans. See how this works? It’s all tied together.

And this cycle creates an unfair advantage for foreign grads, costs Social Security and Medicare well over a billion dollars each year, and also serves as a backdoor pipeline to H-1B visas, leaving American grads at the bottom of the priority list. ...

You thought the H-1B visa was bad? Wait until you hear about the largest guest worker program killing jobs for new American college grads—the Optional Practical Training (OPT):

• No caps
• Employers get payroll tax exemptions
• No wage requirements

OPT was originally a 1-year work permit for international students graduating from U.S. colleges to gain U.S. work experience to take back to their home countries. It was never meant as a permanent immigration pathway, but rather a short-term opportunity for skill development ...

After Bill Gates failed to get Congress to pass an immigration bill expanding H-1B visas, he enlisted lobbyist Jack Krumholtz to devise a plan using the OPT program to bypass the H-1B caps.

At a cocktail party, lobbyist Jack Krumholtz met then-DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff under George W. Bush and pitched his proposal to expand the OPT program. He suggested extending its duration beyond 1 year, effectively creating a workaround for H-1B visa caps.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Elon has shut his face about the subject too.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

If President Trump + DOGE take action to make modify H-1B, it will be similar to modifying potential/future slavery of American labor force. Let's see if people's interests prevail over corporate interests...

So many visa programs to abolish, including TN:

Story from the internet:

All of this H-1B and India talk reminds me of an old friend of mine from college.
Born in Mumbai, his father was a senior member in the chemical engineering department at Exxon. We met in 2nd level chemistry class in college. Kid had good grades and got into some of the best CE schools in the country but went to my school due to its infamy of being a party school.

He always said he wanted to go to American schools to “date white women and be a chemical engineer” (he was only successful at one of these).

He didn’t have great grades, he would chegg his way through homework and limp his way through exams. Study sessions would quickly get derailed away from academics because he had no inclination to pay attention. Never took notes in class, never went to study hours, spent more time drinking than anything else.
A true example of the “Elite Human Capital” we hear about. Keep in mind his parents were paying upwards of 30k a semester as he was an international student.

After his first sophomore semester his dad got him an internship at Exxonmobil. Anyone who has been to college knows how rare or exceptional it is to land an internship at any billion dollar corporation after merely 3 semesters of university.

My friends and I keep in touch, I even went down to Huston a few times to go visit him. He was working on a project in their EMRD program. He would eventually tell me that his project for the EMRD department was a complete throw away to appease climate activism pressure and really wasn’t going anywhere. While there he was making nearly 70k a year as an intern. He lived with his parents, pocketing as much of the money as possible. Much of it was being sent back to the rest of their family back in Mumbai.

Eventually COVID hits and Exxon is tanking, gas prices are lower than could ever be imagined and the company is bleeding cash. Fellow interns and even full time employees he was working with were being laid off left and right, but not him. Protected by his co-ethnics and father, department after department started to be culled and began to be filled with people that looked like him. The middle management overseeing the cuts were obviously prioritizing Indians. He told me all of this as if it was a good thing.

Eventually he has to work completely remote so he moves back to the college town I was living at and moves in with my friends and I. He would tape an oscillating fan to his mouse and go out with us during the day. While we were studying he would be playing video games, smoking weed, and drinking.

When time on his internship ran out he was offered another intern position at Exxon (who knew). But instead of taking it, or going back to school, he applied to Phillips 66 for a chemical engineering internship. There using his fathers connection they of course made him an offer which paid more than what Exxon was paying him.

He then used that offer from Phillips to tell Exxon that if they didn’t match the pay, then he would quit and go work for Phillips. They capitulated and gave him the raise, as they COULDN’T say no considering the moment they did his father would step in and force them to hire him on the terms of his counter offer.

HE DID ALL OF THIS, not out of some machiavellian ambition to ascend the corporate ladder, but at the behest and guidance of his father. Any person that has lived near these people, watched them work, and has seen their behavior has heard a story like this.

These people aren’t “Elite Human Capital” like Elon, or Vivek, or Hanania would have you believe. They are pirates, raping and looting your homeland and sending away to theirs.

He was a good friend, and at times I admired the things he would do. But it is time for it to end. It is time for them to go home.

Why are outsourcing firms allowed at all? They have to work direct for the company. MS has to hire them direct from Mumbai, without "Cognizent" in the way.

The contracting firms are just away to help H1Bs get around the "30 days or leave" rule and insure Nabobs get a cut of profits

All of these are good first steps.

We still need the "Here are 5 qualified unemployed Americans. To obtain an H1B, write a 1000 word essay why each one was unqualfied and submit $1000 processing fee per rejection. Please note if the ask salary was within 15% of the prevailing wage, or they only lacked a fraction of the experience asked for (Ie 4 years of C++ instead of 5), it is not a qualifying rejection reason. "

Also, H1Bs are for a Skills Shortage, Not to facilitate shorter term contracts. Americans can sign short term contracts.

So, sounds like Trump aint gonna do anything about the H-1B problem.

gabbar says

So, sounds like Trump aint gonna do anything about the H-1B problem.

Not this time.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

gabbar says

So, sounds like Trump aint gonna do anything about the H-1B problem.

Not this time.

nor any other time. illegals or h1b is business subsidy. those businesses have politicians on the take, it’s too hard to fight it. easier let america collapse, much easier.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

nor any other time

First term he put a moratorium on it

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

nor any other time

First term he put a moratorium on it

this time he won’t. big tech sucks, they suck, they don’t care for America. it’s an issue of the heart. that can’t be fixed with moratorium. assholes are assholes for a reason. their employees, and i met few. they utterly hate conservatives. big tech is like a giant club that submits to their ruling group that tells them what to think and believe.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

this time he won’t

Yes. That us what I said.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

this time he won’t

Yes. That us what I said.

i know, just making conversation

Yawn, some temporary shit here, some lip service there, but things remain basically the same.

This is related to work visas as Panama City Beach area (Bay County, Florida) has a lot of work visa employees in the hospitality and tourism industries.

A friend told me today there was a line out the door of job applicants for Auntie Ann's (pretzel shop) in Pier Park Panama City Beach.

Yet the local power brokers claim we need work visas since there is not enough of a local labor pool.

Just go to Employ Bay County page on Facebook to see how a lot of people cannot find work.

Hmmm....maybe I will go back into Tech again:

Big changes are underway for U.S. visas, quietly.

The age of cheap, temporary H-1B labor is ending.

The Trump administration isn’t just slowing new approvals.
It’s laying the groundwork to make visa sponsorship financially painful.

Under the H-1B Modernization Rule and USCIS’s new fee schedule, costs are rising.
And now, wage floor increases are back under review, targeting exactly how much employers must pay to keep a visa worker.

This isn’t about protecting workers.
It’s about shrinking demand without needing Congress.

These changes affect existing visa holders.
If your role is up for renewal, transfer, or amendment, your employer may soon face higher wage requirements or new documentation standards.

Promotions may be delayed.
Transfers could be reconsidered.
And companies are already rethinking whether H-1B staffing is worth the long-term cost.

They’re starting to prioritize workers they can keep permanently.
That means U.S. citizens.

If you're on a visa and in a cost-sensitive role, understand this clearly.
The pressure is already building.

Citations in comments.
Shout out to my checkers who caught a citation error. Thx.

https://x.com/niftyswell/status/1912256349653590029

It's nice, but not nearly enough. H-1B should be reserved for jobs paying half a million a year or more.

How does the Indian IT industry survive without giving Pakistanis and Bangladeshis H1Bs?

Clearly Modi must pass a law allowing at least 100k H1Bs into India to work in call centers, before India loses their competitiveness.

hahaha

MolotovCocktail says

The age of cheap, temporary H-1B labor is ending.

Occurs to me that this could have a very positive effect on real estate in the Bay Area, meaning lower prices and lower rents.

Fewer H-1Bs means less competition for housing.

MolotovCocktail says

Doubtful. I do not think selling Teslas in India is an issue. This sounds like a completely contrived hit piece.

I agree, sounds like EDS.

HeadSet says

Doubtful. I do not think selling Teslas in India is an issue. This sounds like a completely contrived hit piece.

India just negotiated the same thing with the UK and Indian government officials are boasting about doing the same with the US.

Indian H1B workers not subject to FICA is a godsend for corporate America and the final deathknell for remaining US tech workers.

We shall see, tho.

The ones that actually go home, maybe. But if they transition into Greencard status, they should be forced to pony up the FICA that wasn't paid while they were H1B. Because clearly they never went home.

And their employers should be forced to pony up retroactive the employer's half, too.

But we all know THAT won't even happen.

Grok on this:

H1B Workers and FICA Taxes (Relation to US-India Context)
The UK-India FTA’s Double Contribution Convention is relevant to your query about H1B workers and FICA taxes, as it mirrors India’s push for social security totalization agreements. However, the UK deal does not directly involve H1B workers or FICA taxes, which are US-specific. Here’s how it connects:

UK NICs vs. US FICA: The UK’s NIC exemption for Indian workers is analogous to a potential US-India totalization agreement that would exempt Indian H1B workers from FICA taxes (7.65% for Social Security and Medicare). India has sought such an agreement with the US to reduce costs for its IT firms, but no deal exists.

US-India Trade Deal Status: No finalized US-India trade deal addresses H1B workers or FICA exemptions. Discussions have been speculative, with posts on X suggesting India seeks FICA exemptions to save $4 billion for its firms, but these lack official confirmation.

UK Precedent: The UK-India deal’s social security provision could serve as a model for US negotiations, allowing Indian H1B workers to pay into India’s social security system instead of FICA, avoiding double contributions. However, US political resistance (e.g., concerns about cheaper foreign labor) makes this unlikely without broader trade concessions.

MolotovCocktail says

UK Precedent: The UK-India deal’s social security provision could serve as a model for US negotiations, allowing Indian H1B workers to pay into India’s social security system instead of FICA, avoiding double contributions. However, US political resistance (e.g., concerns about cheaper foreign labor) makes this unlikely without broader trade concessions.

Holy shit!

https://x.com/amandalouise416/status/1938223305359798597

KgK one says

What's strange is, if you apply to same jobs as us citizen, there is no reply. Who can you ask why they hire h1b over local talent. Can you send email to hr and ask to justify what unique talent h1b had?

There is some benefit to stealing some really smart phds, not only they help innovate local companies, they also do brain drain other countries. If e.g. 100 start up were in other country, us would lose out on those profits.

Amazon, google, tesla... so many have h1b.

there’s no such thing as brain drain. it was just a made up excuse to sucker fools to support hb cheap labor. i was one of fools who believed it, wasn’t my thing and it sounded ok, but then i saw it wasn’t the case. they lied again, as usual.

Birthright citizenship is not 'gone'. So I wonder if he's right about even half of this shit.

..but even if only half is true, that's good.

Visa Worker Tide Turning!

• Birthright citizenship? Gone.
• Remittance tax? Coming.
• H‑1B approvals for 2026? Cut by 50,000.

But it doesn’t stop there...

• Visa overstays now trigger lifetime bans
• H‑1B visas revoked after 60+ days abroad... no official rule, just enforcement
• Palantir software now tracks visa holders in real time, linking travel, payroll, and DHS records
• Mandatory 30‑day registration rule now active
• Student and visitor visas paused, revoked, or delayed
• 19 countries blocked from new visas over overstay rates

Applicants are panicking. Students are backing out. Visa holders are racing home. Staffing firms are losing leverage.

And Americans? They're not just exposing the system anymore…

• They're applying to PERM jobs en masse - crashing fake job filters
• They're documenting fraud, flooding forums with screenshots
• And they’re confronting the globalist politicians who sold them out - in town halls, in comment sections, and in primaries

This isn’t just a policy shift. It’s a revolt.
The foreign labor pipeline is cracking.
And finally… it’s cracking in America’s favor

https://x.com/ChiefNiftyswell/status/1939404962053632060

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

Why are outsourcing firms allowed at all? They have to work direct for the company.

That one i’ve seen a lot when i worked in manufacturing. you own a factory, you want cheap illegal labor. can’t hire them. but a loophole, you use an agency to hire for you. legally you are not at fault that some run of the mill hired illegals. it’s legal cover. that practice is widespread.

there’s always some mexican running agencies that hire illegals for their clients. seen that everywhere. and that Indian stuff you talking about, it sounds all same.