patrick.net

Well this certainly doesn’t help….

The man, later identified as Zinn, told the officer, “I shot him, now shoot me” twice, according to a jail report compiled by UVU police. The officer reported that he could not see a weapon, but he placed Zinn in handcuffs while others at the scene cleared the area.

Once in custody, Zinn continued to say he was the shooter, the report continued. Officers asked Zinn where the gun was, but they say he refused to tell them. He reportedly asked for his attorney when he was brought back to the university police headquarters for questioning, even after police said they didn’t believe he was the shooter.

He later said he “did it to draw attention from the real shooter,” police wrote in the report. He was first taken to a nearby hospital for an undisclosed medical condition. While at the hospital, Zinn told an officer that “he was glad he said he shot the individual so the real suspect could get away,” the affidavit adds.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/man-claimed-shoot-charlie-kirk-003549271.html

Its one big cognitive dissonance effort to say one side of coin is Tyler Robinson like Nick Fuentes, who is a lot more homophobic and hateful then Kirk.

Yet on other side of the coin his family said he said Kirk was spreading hate.

Then how do they reconcile he is a Fuentes supporter if he had a least a trans female roommate, and that he communicated with AntiFa members such as on Discord.

Its every effort to stick with MSNBC's hastily published but deliberate narrative he is not some clever AntiFa soy boy and virgins (of sex with cis females).

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

He reportedly asked for his attorney when he was brought back to the university police headquarters for questioning, even after police said they didn’t believe he was the shooter.

This is the closet I could find without using Fast People Search on George Zinn, and it looks legit.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100095132227663

And still another one of these Leftoids or Violent Left types who showed no shock or surprise at the event like they were going along "with the plan".

So what did Zinn know and is there more to this , and that's why he and Tyler Robinson have clamed up (and likely getting legal assistance from Democrat hack and high-dollar lawyers like Andrew Weismann).

And we can assume that Robinson's roommate is "cooperating" and providing helpful info to the state police and FBI.

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https://yaf.org/news/university-of-utah-sponsors-lecture-by-armed-queers-socialist-militia/

I wonder if the "armed queers militia" had anything to do with radicalizing Tyler Robinson.

See above link as it is dated in 2023 about the University of Utah LGBQT center sponsoring an event wit "armed queers militia".

I would not be surprised if Robinson affiliated with them such as online gaming networks, etc (just like Thomas Crooks lived in online gaming networks), and maybe his trans female roommate knows about this.

I also read that neighbors observed several visits to Tyler Robinson's home leading up to the assassination. The visitors had vehicles with out of state license plates.

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AD says

I would not be surprised if Robinson affiliated with them such as online gaming networks, etc

Gaming needs to be addressed to be honest. Once you're past 18 it's time to move on man. I still have friends that play for hours, sometimes up to 5-6 hours in a day in their 40's. It's antisocial. I make an effort to get out 1-2 times a week with buddies. I have kids though too so there's games, practices and events that I can socialize with other parents for an hour of two almost daily.

I think this it has a huge effect on family formation. Not a knock on those that don't have kids, I don't know your (anyones) situation, but you really have nothing to live for. I'm about 7 years until the kids are done as minors. Frankly don't know what I'll do after that. I'll find a hobby or something. Wasting away your life playing video games?

It's no wonder gamers do crazy shit. If you don't interact with people you will overreact when someone says something you don't believe. Problem is you didn't socialize with anyone and understand the real world. Just shooting people on your video game. Your normal in most video games is shooting people.

I despise regulation, but ban 25 and over counsel and game purchases. If your kid wants one give them the cash or gift card to buy it. In 5-8 years that counsel and games will be old, guess what, can't buy them anymore. Birthrate would skyrocket for late 20's and early 30's. I think video gaming is more toxic than alcohol or drugs for society if being honest.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/dissing-unity-tuesday-september-16

In my most recent podcast appearance, I opined that Charlie Kirk has single-handedly rescued our young men. Charlie arguably deserves sole credit for triggering the dual trends of young men returning to church and recommitting to the sanity of Republican political affiliation, where they are valued and lifted up instead of humiliated and mocked.

What Charlie Kirk has built is fairly called a signature accomplishment. But there’s so much more. Maybe most importantly, Charlie taught the rest of us that it could be done. He practically rubbed our faces in the fact that young people are not a lost cause.

Progressives slew him to shut him up and shut him down. But it was too late. Charlie survived long enough to prove the concept. He pioneered the trail. He showed us the way. He created an organization to train others, to reproduce and multiply his methods across the country and around the world.

No one can ever do it as well as Charlie. We will never again be gifted with an individual of Charlie’s good faith and with his breathtaking combination of talents.

But we will make up in numbers what we cannot reproduce in quality.

His assassination —his martyrdom— has sparked a wildfire of long-overdue conversation. For example, should people be fired for saying hateful and evil political things, calling ordinary people ‘’Hitler’ and fascists,’ and wishing death on fellow Americans? Obviously, the answer is yes. Yes, they should be fired. Promptly.

It shouldn’t be controversial. It’s not ‘cancel culture.’ It’s common sense. No one, for instance, should complain if a daycare worker gets fired for posting man-boy love memes.

And just like that "conservatives" have embraced the cancel culture. 🤭🤡

Gaming "addressed"
how?

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-state-media-have-systematically

German state media have systematically slandered Charlie Kirk in the wake of his assassination ...

This man is Elmar Theveßen. He is the Washington D.C. correspondent also for the state media broadcaster ZDF, and he is routinely presented to the German public as an expert on all things American.

The day after Charlie Kirk’s assassination, Theveßen appeared on Markus Lanz’s eponymous political talkshow before a nationwide audience to peddle a series of lies about the recently deceased:

Theveßen: [Kirk] has very, very strong right-wing convictions. Let me give you a few examples. For example, he said that homosexuals should be stoned to death (...). He said that black people are taking jobs away from white people because of the policies of the Democrats in recent years. He said that if you’re sitting in an aeroplane with a black pilot, you should be afraid.

Lanz: Have I understood you correctly, he said homosexuals should be stoned?

Theveßen: Yes, of course he’s referring to the Bible, when he says that Christianity should be taken literally. He’s not applied this to modern times, which is actually, um, largely, well of course. But you can say these are racist statements, these are anti-minority statements, and it’s also true, clearly, he belongs to the right-wing radicals in the USA...

Theveßen repeated the notorious falsehood that Kirk advocated stoning homosexuals to death in two other podcast appearances on 11 September. This was not an isolated slip-up. As everyone now knows, of course, Kirk had merely insisted Old Testament exhortations to love one’s neighbour do not imply any biblical endorsement of homosexuality because they stand alongside much harsher provisions, like that at Leviticus 20:13. Theveßen’s other statements are also crude mischaracterisations of Kirk’s opposition to minority hiring preferences and his criticism of the Federal Aviation Administration’s efforts to relax merit-based hiring standards for Air Traffic Control in favour of a (more minority-friendly) “Biographical Questionnaire.”

Were Charlie Kirk still alive, he could request that charges be brought against Theveßen for slander, and his widow could probably still file a complaint under section 189 of the German criminal code, which prohibits “Defiling the memory of the dead.” Of course, nobody thinks this will happen, which is why Theveßen has decided to trifle with the truth in this case.

In response to inquiries from BILD, Theveßen said that he “regrets not having been more detailed,” but naturally he stopped short of apologising. After I and others brought Theveßen’s remarks to the attention of the U.S. State Department (along with another podcast appearance in which Theveßen implied that Stephen Miller was a neo-Nazi), Richard Grenell called for authorities to revoke his work visa …

@RichardGrenell
This radical Lefty German keeps calling for violence against people he
politically disagrees with.
He poses as a journalist in Washington, DC.
His visa should be revoked.
There is no place in America this type of inciter.

Mysteriously, the ordinarily voluble Theveßen has gone silent.

I have no kids so have no position on the games for them or what it does to them. OC compulsiveness seems to be part of it, but I'll go weeks or months without playing until I find a game I like.

For me as an adult, I really like the computer games. 1. Stunning, beautiful scenarios 2. Dense mythologies over long story telling modes for many hours, allowing character development and themes. It's why so many movies now are spun off from computer games 3. oddly educational, because they also explore themes of history. Assassin Creed games have accurate replicas of historical towns, geography and all kinds of optional outtakes of history to read. Assassin's Creed Odessey took you all over Greece and Peloponnese and the Aegean Islands. One explored an Iraqi ziggurat and ancient city of Baghdad. 4. News made real in cyber worlds 5. puzzle solving 6. Many exotic themes, both social and technologic many of them predictive programming (Cyberpunk 77). One of the Tomb Raiders (and also an Assassin's Creed) explored everything from Egyptian pyramids to Area 51.

I have neighbors who think doing crossword puzzles makes them smart. If it does, I can't tell, because they are fatted propaganda calves with pretty mediocre analytic skills, and they are professional people. I would rather solve situations and puzzles in computer games.

Recent games: God of War Ragnorak, amazing and gorgeous game. Jedi Survivor, also fun and difficult in many parts. I'm working on Hogwart's Legacy, which is cinematically amazing, but don't know yet if I'll proceed, it's kind of too kiddy.

Maybe it's falling into the AI trap, maybe not. It is obvious that some of the games and their branching choices are Rorschach tests and versions of MMPI imposed on the game player, so they are also tools of surveillance and opinion monitoring. Recent crop are also tediously DEI as are all infiltrated media, but less obnoxious on that score than standard TV bullshit, so when you are in the move in the game you don't care as much.

Patrick says

Was Charlie Kirk promoting the idea that people should lose their jobs for expressing opinions?

Patrick says

Well, people are getting fired not for wielding guns or knives, but for saying words. Being OK with firing for words is a slippery slope towards being OK with killing for words. And "the other side is further downhill" is not really good excuse.

I know that our community is getting knicker twisted into a frothing frenzy defending the standard flash bang CK naradigm and get mad, but here is another nice summary of an 'alternative perspective' from Derek Johnson (ex military and military analyst). Open it at your hazard (or not). You can shield your eyes (and your mind) if you want. Other unpopular perspectives are also emerging. To me, it's like watching a flying saucer war, scary but hard to figure out who exactly the sides are or to what purpose. Lots of editorials out there trying to protect (or uncover) various agendas.

view pdf

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=259492

RWSGFY says

And just like that "conservatives" have embraced the cancel culture. 🤭🤡

Damn fucking straight.

Nice guys get wiped out after watching their wives and daughters get gang raped first.

RWSGFY says

Gaming "addressed"
how?

It's regulation and law, but I literally laid it out. It's the reverse of drinking and smoking laws. Once you hit 25 you can no longer buy gaming systems and the games. Would be impossible most likely, but it would be a massive benefit to society. I'd venture to guess 30-40% of 40 year old guys game 2-5 hours a day.

Fact is most don't have kids. Think the movie 40 year old virgin. If you're outgoing you don't meet these guys generally because they're gaming. And ultimately it's just childish. It's probably one of the worst addictions you can have. Interferes with work, women and family formation. It's bad. Getting drunk or high you're at least going to screw a woman and potentially have a kids. Gaming, nope.

For someone my age, I need people to fill in the void when I'm 60-65. Start fucking and get off the Xbox and Playstation.

Patrick says

Mysteriously, the ordinarily voluble Theveßen has gone silent.

That's because State Dept is making noises about banning him from the US.

WookieMan says

It's no wonder gamers do crazy shit

I remember 30 years ago that media pundits were warning about the subculture that lives and thrives in first person shooting games.

Seems like the chickens have come home to roost since then.

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Whatever your opinion of the origins, it looks like Charlie was given 'the silver or the bullet option' in "selling" (more like the oligarch officers) Turning Point to Ben Shapiro. The incident casts shade (or light), but you would have to presume that gang stalkers have gone truly mad with entitlement to overtly just murder in public over Kirk's changing positions. If the assassination was a psyops, was it illustrating a state of the state of things? A lot of stuff is being exposed, which, I guess, might be the plan. The amplification went from a firecracker to a bunker buster.

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/23403

LOL! "We will even supply 33 heroes!"

RWSGFY says

Well, people are getting fired not for wielding guns or knives, but for saying words. Being OK with firing for words is a slippery slope towards being OK with killing for words.

Felony threats are also words, but they are seriously illegal and should remain so.

The left is experimenting with just how far it can go towards yelling "KILL A CONSERVATIVE NOW!" in public without getting prosecuted.

No one on the right is saying anything like that.

https://x.com/DailyCaller/status/1965775274353795488

Murder of Iryna Zarutska: Charlie Kirk VS. Van Jones

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1965800092906254612

UT AG Grey: Father became concerned when reports of the Rifle discovered matched that given to Robinson by his Grandfather
https://x.com/comlabman/status/1968031387174441417

Utah County Attorney Jeff Grey says the mother of the suspect in Charlie Kirk’s assassination said her son had become “over the last year or so...more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented.”

“She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders.”

https://x.com/CurtisHouck/status/1968021497617801318

Utah County Attorney Jeff Grey says the transgender roommate/lover of the alleged Charlie Kirk assassin “received messages from Robinson about the shooting, and he did provide those messages to police.” In one text exchange, the suspect said he killed Kirk because he “had enough of his hatred” and “some hate can’t be negotiated out”

He also quipped he would “have a stroke” if he saw Fox News mention the messages written on the bullets

same thread

RWSGFY says

And just like that "conservatives" have embraced the cancel culture. 🤭🤡

Cancel Culture: Firing or for having personal views.
Not Cancel Culture: Firing schoolteachers, health care professionals, and others for celebrating and lionizing the assassination of a non-violent person.

You can't have an "Ethics Tutor" or K-12 "SEL" Teacher who thinks it's okay to assassinate people who merely like to debate

Ackman: I had no argument, heated or otherwise, with Kirk in the Hamptons (via Zoom)
https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1967752970260349095

Ackman and Charlie had no beef at the retreat at all, according to TPUSA :
https://x.com/AndrewKsway/status/1967768580625420417

Seth Dillon: No argument during the open meeting Charlie hosted.
https://x.com/SethDillon/status/1968040602039169391

Ackman should sue Candass.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

RWSGFY says

And just like that "conservatives" have embraced the cancel culture. 🤭🤡

Cancel Culture: Firing or for having personal views.
Not Cancel Culture: Firing schoolteachers, health care professionals, and others for celebrating and lionizing the assassination of a non-violent person.

You can't have an "Ethics Tutor" or K-12 "SEL" Teacher who thinks it's okay to assassinate people who merely like to debate

Pretzeling. It's all persecuting people for personal opinion, corner cases nonwithstanding. The left demanded people get fired for saying the n-word or questioning the holiness of St. George Floyd or being a doctor and disagreeing with the vaccine mandate (a direct analogy for "ethics teacher saing CK had it coming", btw). How quickly we forget.