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Yep, if we end the filibuster for budgets, which should be the case (the Senate is there not to second guess the House on money, IMHO), that will do ALOT. We MIGHT be able to go after single subject bills.

https://babylonbee.com/news/congress-reassures-nation-government-shutdown-will-not-affect-paychecks-for-congress

So, some members of Congress are trying to put together a bipartisan committee to negotiate an end to the Shutdown. The problem is that the Democrats want some sort of an extension to the Obamacare subsidies. Problem is that the Republicans aren't coming out with something they'd like. So, I have thought of one. How about for every billion in healthcare subsidies, we take away one billion in section-8 housing allowances.

Once the Republicans start asking for stuff in return, the Democrats would probably fold.

Misc says

Problem is that the Republicans aren't coming out with something they'd like.

Republicans already stated that they don't want covid era Obamacare subsidies extended, as well as taxpayer funded healthcare for illegals.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

The 60 vote shit is why the whole "Split the budget into 12 subject area bills" is not a politically realistic option.

To advance each one, the GOP would have to dole out a half trillion in new spending to get a 60 senators over the line for each damn one of the 12.

Has splitting out the budget into 12 different bills ever been tried?

Strange rumor floating out there that many of the long list of Trump's oligarch billionaire 'supporters' are being held under military house arrest and their assets seized. They are supporting by tribunal or threatened tribunal, not voluntary.

It may be why Trump is receiving 'donations' to support the interim paychecks for the military etc.

Of course, who knows what is voluntary and what is by the sword these days. Since many of these oligarchs seized their assets by the sword, it would seem appropriate that they would yield to the sword. Sounds like USSR after the dissolution.

Hahahaha!



https://www.huffpost.com/entry/government-shutdown-democrats-trump-afge_n_68ff7da8e4b0fb1b951554fa

The big thing for the Federal Employees Union faces is that the shutdown allows Trump to RIF (permanently fire) federal employees.

https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/10/27/democrat-govt-shutdown-delays-2800-flights-as-air-traffic-controllers-go-without-pay/

On Monday, October 27, 2025, approximately 2,800 flights were delayed, and 109 flights were canceled across the United States. The disruption comes as the Senate Democrat-led government shutdown enters its 27th day, with essential workers, including air traffic controllers, increasingly failing to report to work.U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) Secretary Sean Duffy explained the situation during a television appearance early Monday, noting that air traffic controllers are under significant financial strain due to missed paychecks.

“They got their notice on Thursday and Friday. They get a notice of what they are going to be paid on Tuesday. And they got a big fat no paycheck is coming on Tuesday,” Duffy stated.Duffy highlighted the stress faced by air traffic controllers, many of whom live paycheck to paycheck. “I’ve been out talking to air traffic controllers, and you can see the stress. These are people that oftentimes live paycheck to paycheck… they are concerned about gas in the car, they are concerned about childcare,” he said.

In terms of state population proportions, New Mexico is the state most dependent on SNAP, with 21 percent, or 451,200, of its residents claiming food stamps in 2024. It is followed by Louisiana and Oregon, where 18 percent get benefits.

https://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/the-well-has-run-dry-are-the-people-that-are-having-epic-ebt-meltdowns-serious-about-what-they-plan-to-do-next/

Most Indians (feather not dot) are on Food stamps. New Mexico has a huge population of those...so go figure.

HeadSet says

The big thing for the Federal Employees Union faces is that the shutdown allows Trump to RIF (permanently fire) federal employees.

Trump is pushing limits to reduce the deficit. And he's seeing how far he can go with reducing the federal bureaucracy.

I consider 2024 as being outside the COVID funding years of 2020-2023, and it looks promising that the 2025 deficit will not be greater than that of 2024. That ultimately may help to keep interest rates down.

The Trump administration will likely state that certain agencies are not essential and that was demonstrated as far as the furloughs having no overall tangible effect on the American public.

AD says

Trump is pushing limits to reduce the deficit. And he's seeing how far he can go with reducing the federal bureaucracy.

That won't dent the deficit at all.

Entitlements are driving the deficit.

I have try to notice any difference in traffic since the shutdown began, and where I live and work, you would think that I would.

Patrick says

“I’ve been out talking to air traffic controllers, and you can see the stress. These are people that oftentimes live paycheck to paycheck… they are concerned about gas in the car, they are concerned about childcare,” he said.

I get the stress not getting a paycheck. Most the ATC guys I know are 50 plus and have vacation homes up in Wisconsin as an Illinoian with major air traffic. They do pretty darn well in their later years if they played it safe with debt and savings. Younger ATC guys might have it rough though.

ATC should be paid by the airlines, not the federal government anyway. Add a $3-5/ticket fee on every one way flight. Let's say 140 passengers a flight X $5 and it's $700 per flight or more. 44k flights per day. $30,800,000 on 44k flights a day. Or 3M passengers at $5/flight $15,000,000. Again these are one way flights. So double the numbers daily. ATC could easily be funded by a minimal fee. It will be passed on, but everyone already is paying $11.40 per one way for 9/11 fees. If you can't afford $10, maybe you shouldn't fly?

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/by_the_numbers

WookieMan says

ATC should be paid by the airlines, not the federal government anyway.

Yup. That is how it is handled in most other countries.

https://slaynews.com/news/senate-democrats-block-gop-continuing-resolution-14th-time-ensuring-longest-government-shutdown-history/

Senate Democrats Block GOP Continuing Resolution for 14th Time, Ensuring Longest Government Shutdown in History

https://t.me/IlluminatibotChatRoom/30512

More reports of supermarket prices dropping.

Gotta get people to buy more now that EBTs didn't work for weeks.

I betcha it's the frozen dinners and the cookies and sodas going down the most.

We shall see if any moderate Senate Democrats vote yes tomorrow. Or will they toe the line set by Schumer ? This will give Thune and the Republicans an idea if there is any chance to compromise and negotiate without totally giving into Schumer.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/government-shutdown-latest-senate-talks-flights/

Given how self centered congress is, and how much they travel, I'm surprised they haven't at least attempted to pass a bill to fund the DHS, so that their air travel wouldn't be interrupted.

zzyzzx says

Given how self centered congress is, and how much they travel, I'm surprised they haven't at least attempted to pass a bill to fund the DHS, so that their air travel wouldn't be interrupted.

They'll fly on government planes to US bases, if necessary.

The agreement includes back pay for federal employees and guarantees that the 4,000-plus federal employees laid off during the shutdown will be rehired, as well as a blanket prohibition on future reductions in force through January 30. Those jobs are a drop in the bucket compared to the 250,000 or so the Trump administration eliminated before the shutdown.

Most significantly, the agreement does not guarantee an extension of Covid-era enhanced Obamacare premium subsidies, with Democrats only receiving assurances of a vote on a bill of their choice.

“As I have said for weeks to my Democrat friends, I will schedule a vote on their proposal, and I have committed to having that vote no later than the second week in December,” Majority Leader John Thune (R-SD) said on the Senate floor before the vote.

Even if such a bill were to pass the Senate, Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) has not committed to bringing it to the floor of the House.

The result is that Democrats once again overpromised results to their base but came up empty-handed, inflicting forty days of pain for nothing of substance.

Democrat Sens. Maggie Hassan (NH), Jeanne Shaheen (NH), Dick Durbin (IL), Jacky Rosen (NV), and Tim Kaine (D-VA) supported the procedural vote. They joined Sens. Catherine Cortez-Masto (D-NM), Angus King (I-ME), and John Fetterman (D-PA), who had previously voted to allow the House-passed CR to advance.

Republican Sen. Rand Paul (KY) voted no, as he has done throughout prior rounds of votes.

The result is another victory for Thune, who kept the Senate in session over the weekend to seek a deal, promising to keep senators working until a deal was struck.

Perhaps more significantly, the vote is the latest — and most damaging — setback for Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY). His own rank-and-file members — centrists and the most liberal — condemned his shutdown strategy Sunday night.

Schumer is increasingly becoming the primary villain for the ascendant left inside the Democratic Party, and his hold on the position of Minority Leader seems increasingly tenuous.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/11/09/democrats-cave-government-funding-receive-nothing-ending-schumer-shutdown/

Those '4000' laid off I would bet are Senior Executive Service, Trump's internal government civil war nemesis and menace.

I was hopping for mass layoffs and at least one more week of shutdown. This is a disappointment.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

The result is that Democrats once again overpromised results to their base but came up empty-handed, inflicting forty days of pain for nothing of substance.

This was always about turning out the base for the off year elections we just had. Nothing more.

This has become my standard repeat answer to moronic Dems like this guy:

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/unconditional-surrender-monday-november

As you know, Republicans held the Senate in session all weekend. The pressure relentlessly piled up until the cracks became irresistible. By late afternoon yesterday, eight “centrist” Democrats defied their party and voted with Republicans to invoke cloture and end debate on a 90-day continuing resolution. Republicans only gave them a couple minor modifications, related to back pay and re-hiring federal workers fired during the shutdown’s first weeks.

But Democrats completely surrendered on their single claimed reason for forcing the country to endure 40 days of nonsense and angst. There will be no Obamacare subsidies. No participation trophy. Not even a cracker. ...

It sure looks that way. It looks like a Donkey Cage Match. Even though Senate Minority Leader Chuck “Chuckie” Schumer voted against the bill, House Representative Ro Khanna (D-Ca.) hotly demanded Schumer’s resignation:

@RoKhanna
Senator Schumer is no longer effective and should be replaced. If you
can't lead the fight to stop healthcare premiums from skyrocketing for
Americans, what will you fight for?
9:11 PM • Nov 9, 2025

... Not coincidentally, none of the eight Democrats who joined Republicans last night face re-election next year. (Two have already announced their retirement.) It wasn’t any rebellion. They got the green light. All the Democrats’ hand-wringing today is just a fake show for the base.

So how did Trump do it?

Last week, Trump sank the Democrats into a pressure cooker and locked the lid. Here are the four biggest ways:

The Administration ensured that Democrats were squeezed from both ends of their electorate: SNAPpers on the bottom as food stamps trickled out in slow motion, and starting this weekend, laptop-class elites at the top whose flights were canceled and delayed.

Senate Republicans busily advanced a “mini-bus” bill that would have funded SNAP and the military, which Democrats would have been forced to vote against, with ensuing horrible optics and painful political gymnastics.

Trump started using the shutdown as an excuse to nuke the filibuster; and if that ever happens, Dems lose everything. And they know it.

Most explosively, Trump nipped off the Dems’ “affordability” narrative while they were looking the other way. He tweeted a chart showing that Obamacare ‘subsidies’ don’t go to needy patients, but to rich insurance companies. Then he showed how insurance stock prices rocketed over 1,000% since Obamacare passed.

The shutdown isn’t quite over yet. But it is inevitabe now. Invoking “cloture” sends the bill off to the full Senate for debate and passage.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/government-shutdown-updates/?id=127369640

It seems to me that the Dems plan all along was to keep the government closed until the VA and NJ elections were done. The 5 Dems who now voted to bring the total to 60 had been selected weeks ago for that purpose - none of them face re-election in 2026 and a couple are even retiring.

https://ground.news/article/e3c0e49a-f53e-4420-a023-18b556356476

Trump signs funding bill into law, ending record-long government shutdown

On Wednesday, U.S. Congress moved to end the longest government shutdown, 43 days, as the House of Representatives prepared to rubber-stamp a Senate funding package to reopen federal agencies in Washington.

https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-somberly-remove-sombreros-signaling-end-of-shutdown

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2025/11/19/democrats-wasted-shutdown-voters-healthcare/87323490007/